Bug#741573: Comparison of Options AB and D

2015-09-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Bug#741573: Comparison of Options AB and D"): > I agree that we should not pick an entirely new design. > Here though, option D does not pick an entirely new design. Option D does something much much worse. It - mandates that an new design[1]

Bug#741573: Comparison of Options AB and D

2015-08-31 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le dimanche, 30 août 2015, 13.01:36 Nikolaus Rath a écrit : > On Aug 30 2015, Sam Hartman wrote: > > Nikolaus> Surely there is no need to single out the traditional > > Nikolaus> menu as something that must not be used. It's > > Nikolaus> sufficient if policy

Bug#741573: Comparison of Options AB and D

2015-08-30 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Aug 30 2015, Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote: Nikolaus == Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes: Nikolaus On Aug 29 2015, Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote: Option D goes further. Option D requires that packages drop their traditional menu entries if they ship

Bug#741573: Comparison of Options AB and D

2015-08-30 Thread Sam Hartman
Nikolaus == Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes: Nikolaus On Aug 29 2015, Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote: Option D goes further. Option D requires that packages drop their traditional menu entries if they ship .desktop files. (That's done on a per-application not

Bug#741573: Comparison of Options AB and D

2015-08-30 Thread Sam Hartman
Nikolaus == Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes: Nikolaus A. This comes very close to design work which the CTTE Nikolaus should not be doing. If there's a conflict between two Nikolaus crappy designs and the CTTE is asked to rule, then you Nikolaus should pick the less crappy

Re: Bug#741573: Comparison of Options AB and D

2015-08-30 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Aug 30 2015, Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote: if you actually want the TC to only choose with no comment from the options before it; if you want us not to raise objections and actually set policy as we are charged with in the constitution, There is an (important) difference between

Re: Bug#741573: Comparison of Options AB and D

2015-08-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 08:39:19PM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: On Aug 30 2015, Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote: if you actually want the TC to only choose with no comment from the options before it; if you want us not to raise objections and actually set policy as we are charged with

Bug#741573: Comparison of Options AB and D

2015-08-29 Thread Sam Hartman
Hi. So, after working with Keith yesterday on his option, I think I have a much better understanding of what the tradeoffs are. I'd like to present these to the TC as we're about to vote. I'm ignoring ballot option C (afirm the status quo) in this. I'm also treating options A and B as the