Re: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 07:58:59PM -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 04:23:21PM -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > >> Best of luck. You know they've been asked twice before (once for Fedora, > >> once for Debian), right? > > No, didn't know that. Wer

Re: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-03 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Hi Steve, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 04:23:21PM -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: >> Best of luck. You know they've been asked twice before (once for Fedora, >> once for Debian), right? > > No, didn't know that. Were these requests public, or can you tell me what > the upstream

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-03 Thread Jérémy Lal
On 03/05/2012 23:23, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote: > >> Clint Byrum has nudged me about this (wearing his Ubuntu Server hat rather >> than his shiny new Debian Developer hat) and I've agreed to approach node.js >> upstream about a possible upstream rename. I'll report back to the

Re: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 04:23:21PM -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > > Clint Byrum has nudged me about this (wearing his Ubuntu Server hat rather > > than his shiny new Debian Developer hat) and I've agreed to approach node.js > > upstream about a possible upstream rename. I'll report back to the TC

Re: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-03 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Steve Langasek wrote: > Clint Byrum has nudged me about this (wearing his Ubuntu Server hat rather > than his shiny new Debian Developer hat) and I've agreed to approach node.js > upstream about a possible upstream rename. I'll report back to the TC what > I find out. Best of luck. You know the

Re: Bug#614907: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 04:50:12PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Well, there are some limits even to what upstream can do. Whether Node.js > has reached that point is debatable, but (to take an obvious example) even > if upstream wanted to rename python to something else, it's never going to > happ

Bug#614907: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-03 Thread Andreas Barth
* Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) [120503 01:33]: > Ian Jackson writes: > > > I'm disappointed to see this is still rumbling on. There is only one > > correct solution, and it is this: > > >> In the long term, I would be happiest if both were renamed. > > I won't reiterate the arguments that I'

Re: Bug#614907: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson writes: > I really feel it's unfair to allow johnny-come-lately's who couldn't be > bothered to choose a reasonable name for their program, and who couldn't > be bothered even to look up whether the name was already taken, to just > blunder their way into stealing names like this. >

Bug#614907: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-02 Thread Jonathan Nieder
(culling cc list since there were noise complains from debian-hams@) Russ Allbery wrote: > It's interesting that Fedora has nodejs, and I think we should also > provide nodejs and encourage people to use that name, but I think it would > be best for our users to also provide node. For the record,

Re: Bug#614907: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes ("Bug#614907: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation"): > I also think the current Policy suggestion to rename both programs in the > event of an unreconciled naming conflict is not a v

Bug#614907: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson writes: > I'm disappointed to see this is still rumbling on. There is only one > correct solution, and it is this: >> In the long term, I would be happiest if both were renamed. I won't reiterate the arguments that I've already made on debian-devel, but will mention here for those

Re: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Jonathan Nieder writes ("tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation"): > The "node" and "nodejs" packages both provide a command named "node". I'm disappointed to see this is s

Re: tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-02 Thread Peter
Jonathan Nieder schreef: reassign 614907 tech-ctte quit Dear Technical Committee, Welcome to the "kinder garden" I will leave the group now -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archiv

tech-ctte: please help maintainers of packages with a "node" command to have a reasonable conversation

2012-05-02 Thread Jonathan Nieder
reassign 614907 tech-ctte quit Dear Technical Committee, The "node" and "nodejs" packages both provide a command named "node". The command in the node package is in /usr/sbin; the command in nodejs is in /usr/bin. Both are very important commands that are widely used in their respective communit