Re: backup software in /bin or /usr/bin ?

1995-12-06 Thread Simon shapiro
If my memory serves me; /sbin was originally for statically linked executables which are indeed needed for system restoration (while shlibs are none). This IS where emergency stuff should be. Check UnixWare, /bin is symlinked to /usr/bin, I think... Simon P.S. Yea, Teleport.com is still silly

Re: backup software in /bin or /usr/bin ?

1995-12-06 Thread Dirk . Eddelbuettel
IanJ> What I'm thinking of doing is providing a generic mechanism for IanJ> package X to say "install /foo/bar as /spong/wibble instead". The public discussion is completely removed from my initial question about where to put backup software. Private mail was in support of /bin and /sbin. I

Re: re:-O2 or -O3 ?

1995-12-06 Thread Dirk . Eddelbuettel
IanJ> We're building a distribution, so it makes sense to trade off IanJ> computation at build time against computation at run time. I agree. I had asked for opinions with respect to the increase in size. Several people reminded me that this is presumably due to inlining functions or to looku

Re: Need information for new developers...

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Murdock
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:30:44 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sven Rudolph) The Maintainers FAQ says: : * : Question 6 : How to I commit to maintaining a new package? : * : : Send e-

Re: Back...

1995-12-06 Thread Matthew Bailey
On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I reenabled the queue processor for uploads from chiark a little while > ago; I expect it will be hard at work if it hasn't finished already by > now. OK thanks. I suspect that it will be hard at work. Just FYI the web servr is happily up and running

Re: dpkg-nondebbin and improper system installation

1995-12-06 Thread Bill Mitchell
On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Ian Jackson wrote: > Bill Mitchell writes ("Re: dpkg-nondebbin and improper system installation"): > > Perhaps dpkg-nondebin should check if it's running on a debian > > system and, if it is, either refuse to proceed or issue a strong > > warning. > > No, that's not the proble

Bug#1984: dpkg won't install cdtool

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes ("Bug#1984: dpkg won't install cdtool"): > When I install cdtool, I don't get the files installed. [I manually > extracted the tar file for cdtool, I had to gunzip it twice before I > got a flat tar file.] > > Workbone has the same problem, and I've not patched around it yet: >

Re:bag of worms...

1995-12-06 Thread Simon shapiro
Not a legal Eagle but MHO: Encrypt-only routines, are typically OK. Encrypt/decrypt are Atom Bomb class material. We USers do not want you, natives to be able to have secrets from us, nor the ability to have any of our citizens exchange secrets with you non-US natives (unless you bribe us, that i

Re: dpkg-nondebbin and improper system installation

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Bruce Perens writes ("dpkg-nondebbin and improper system installation"): > A number of people have attempted or succeeded in using dpkg-nondebbin > or a dpkg compiled on their local systems to install Debian without > using the bootstrap floppies. As far as I am aware, this will yield a > system th

Bug#1969: w3-el recommends things that don't exist

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Austin Donnelly writes ("Bug#1969: w3-el recommends things that don't exist"): > Except that netpbm doesn't exist any more, and pbmplus isn't free. > What is th position about packages recommending non-free packages? > Should they be converted into "suggest"s ? Packages should never Recommend pack

Bug#1978: man: default pager should be less

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Austin Donnelly writes ("Bug#1978: man: default pager should be less"): > On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Bill Mitchell wrote: > > less(1) isn't necessarily installed. more(1) is. > > Good point. Something ought to be done though, since more(1) can't be made to go backwards through manpages. This is rather

Re: Back...

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Matthew Bailey writes ("Back..."): > Well, in a matter of minutes when I reboot this machine all accounts will > be back into place.. I still have a little more house cleaning to do like > bring the web servers back online but that should not be a problem... > > So for all those interested uploa

Re: Bug#1960: dselect makes it too easy to uninstall all packages

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Austin Donnelly writes: > dselect makes it too easy to uninstall all packages: there should be > some sort of confirmation dialog box when manupulating large numbers > of packages. See my earlier comments regarding novice vs. wizard mode. Incidentally, it's more helpful to report several closely-

Re: Bug#1958: dselect should tell you its installed some packages already

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Austin Donnelly writes: > In a new installation, users are confused to find that some of the > entries in dselect are already installed. This should be explicitly > stated somewhere previously: either in dselect itself, or in the base > install sequence. Perhaps this could be a bit better explain

Re: Bug#1947: No source for info-3.6-5.deb

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Alexander S. A. Kjeldaas writes ("Bug#1947: No source for info-3.6-5.deb"): > Package: info > Version: 3.6 > Revision: 5 > > I can't find the source for this package. The source is in the `texinfo' source package. dpkg --status info or dpkg --info info-3.6-5.deb would have told you this. I'm cl

Bug#1976: xbase postinst creating XF86Config

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Austin Donnelly writes ("Bug#1976: xbase postinst creating XF86Config"): > Although it says you can ^C at any time while creating an XF86Config, > if you do so, lots of errors appear. It should say "expect lots of > errors" or something. I just want to clarify this (since I was there too): If yo

Re: dselect user interface (was Re: Bug#1959: binutils desc should says its necessary for gcc)

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Austin Donnelly writes ("dselect user interface (was Re: Bug#1959: binutils desc should says its necessary for gcc)"): > Those of us doing the install last night (including IanJ) discussed > this, and came to the conclusion that a new-user friendly front end > was required, not just a minor hack o

Re: re:bag of worms...

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
brian white writes ("re:bag of worms... "): > Probably not since crypt isn't so much an encryption routine as it is > a one-way hash function. Whether that is restricted, I don't know. > Any legal-eagles out there? There are no practical problems with the export of one-way-hash functions (MD5 is

Re: re:-O2 or -O3 ?

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
brian white writes ("re:-O2 or -O3 ? "): > I'm surprised that [-O3] make a 20% increase in code size, especially for > the probably negligible performance improvement. > > [...] > The bottom line is, unless your function is _very_ short (a few lines, > max, with no loops) in probably should _not_ b

Re: Setting console font STILL broken

1995-12-06 Thread Jeff Noxon
I agree: I don't see why the setfont command needs to be there at all. I think most people are used to the default font their video card provides. Why change it? Jeff > A friends system recently installed with Debian just booted in 80x50 > and set the font incorrectly, resulting in an unreadabl

Re: backup software in /bin or /usr/bin ?

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Bill Mitchell writes ("Re: backup software in /bin or /usr/bin ?"): > It sounds like the sysadmin might make a choice to use cpio (or ...) > for backups instead of tar, and might manually move the backup program > from /usr/bin to /bin after package install. Right. > Perhaps packages supplying p

Re: color-ls

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
David P. Boswell writes ("color-ls"): > I have had a few ask for it. Some hate it others can't live without it. > So, I plan to include it in the next release as an option or seperate > package. Me, I hate it :-) Use update-alternatives so that people can install it without making it the defaul

Re: dpkg in ftp.debian.org:/debian/stable

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Murdock writes ("Re: dpkg in ftp.debian.org:/debian/stable"): > Of course, I might be mistaken, and I might have moved it by accident. Let's not go into post-mortems, they're going to be unproductive. I wasn't as clear in my announcement as I ought to have been, IIRC. What this shows, I think

Re: re:Need information for new developers...

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
brian white writes ("re:Need information for new developers... "): > Packages-Master only includes packages that have been released, not those > in initial development. IME packages either don't stay in initial development very long, or don't happen at all. > Packages-Master is also incomplete.

Re: FTP Installation & Package Naming Conventions

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
(Moved to debian-devel) Raul Miller writes ("Re: FTP Installation & Package Naming Conventions"): > If you lose track of the architecture on an executable, you can use > 'file' to figure things out. I suppose it would be nice to have some > similar mechanism for debian packages. Ian, how about a

Setting console font STILL broken

1995-12-06 Thread Richard Kettlewell
A friends system recently installed with Debian just booted in 80x50 and set the font incorrectly, resulting in an unreadable screen. (Only the top half of each character was displayed.) This bug has been reported at least twice before, and apparently has yet to be fixed. The fix is to edit /etc/

Re: Building ncurses...a couple of questions...

1995-12-06 Thread roro
Please keep in mind: ncurses 1.9.7a searches the terminfo entries in - $HOME/.terminfo or, if set in $TERMINFO and then in - /etc/terminfo (this is the debian-special for /usr/lib/terminfo) The first could provide a scheme for startup (/usr not mounted) without hacking the sources

Re: dpkg-nondebbin and improper system installation

1995-12-06 Thread Bill Mitchell
On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Bruce Perens wrote: > A number of people have attempted or succeeded in using dpkg-nondebbin > or a dpkg compiled on their local systems to install Debian without > using the bootstrap floppies. As far as I am aware, this will yield a > system that is broken in various ways (n

Re: Building ncurses...a couple of questions...

1995-12-06 Thread Erik Talvola
For the list of terminals, I would appreciate vt200 (i.e., vt220) in the list too. I work at a place where vt220s are all over the place, and using a real termcap for a vt220 is much better than using the vt100 termcap. -- +--

dpkg-nondebbin and improper system installation

1995-12-06 Thread Bruce Perens
A number of people have attempted or succeeded in using dpkg-nondebbin or a dpkg compiled on their local systems to install Debian without using the bootstrap floppies. As far as I am aware, this will yield a system that is broken in various ways (non-debian files in the system directories, things

Re: Building ncurses...a couple of questions...

1995-12-06 Thread Bruce Perens
I meant turn off the "fallback to termcap" code. Please enable the fallback to compiled-in-terminfo . Thanks Bruce -- Visit the "Toy Story" Web Page! http://www.toystory.com

Bug#1984: dpkg won't install cdtool

1995-12-06 Thread Raul Miller
OOPS... On a retry, I find that the cdtool package was only compressed once. My fingers must have slipped or something. I hate it when I make a mistake in a bug report. -- Raul

Re: Building ncurses...a couple of questions...

1995-12-06 Thread Raul Miller
Raul Miller: > Make sure that dselect still works right during the initial > installation. Mike Dorman: I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I mean, I understand what you're saying, I'm just not sure what scenario you envision such that this is an issue. I wasn't thinking

Bug#1986: stdio broken? Strange behaviour of fgets() and scanf()

1995-12-06 Thread Stephen Early
Package: libc5 Version: 5.2.16-1 (My libc5-dev version is also 5.2.16-1) The following program (which is similar in structure to one of the programs used in building xlib) loops forever when it reaches EOF on stdin: #include int main(int argc, char **argv) { int ksnum,i; char buf[1024];