Re: Shared library dependencies revisited

1996-08-12 Thread Bruce Perens
Ian, We can make your proposal simpler by using virtual package names to find the libraries. Each package that provides a shared library should, for each shared library that it provides, automaticaly add something like "Provides: libX11.so.6" to the control file. Each package that depends on a li

Re: search engines

1996-08-12 Thread Brian C. White
> > I've been thinking about what you said regarding search engines for > > "debiandoc". As I understand it, this is to be a debian package, is it > > not? > > At least Debian. I won't get upset if someone ports it to Red Hat, Slackware, > *BSD*, or a Cray... :-) Cray Linux. I've heard somebody

Re: Shared library dependencies revisited

1996-08-12 Thread Maarten Boekhold
> I propose the following arrangement (if you don't understand things > you should read dpkg-source(1) and the relevant parts of the new > programmers' manual): > > Every package which contains compiled binaries invokes, in its > debian/rules, a program which automatically determines what the > de

Re: Caldera's lawsuit against Microsoft

1996-08-12 Thread Brian C. White
> The terms of the suit require MS to give _Caldera_ details of APIs. Not > the general public, just Caldera. MS can still keep them under non-disclosure, > and Caldera would have to honor the terms of an NDA approved by the court. I noticed this too. It could just be necessary to make the lawsui

Re: CC's on this mailing list

1996-08-12 Thread Brian C. White
> > If it is relavent to me specifically (eg. relates to one of my packages), > > then I like being copied because it means I won't miss it in the volume > > of the list. > > Is it because you filter to mail folders depending on the To: field (the > only reason I see that would make the message

Re: Debian, Linux, the FSSTND, the FHS and BSD

1996-08-12 Thread Dan Stromberg
Ian Jackson wrote: > The latest draft FHS, which they may well publish as it stands, makes > the following changes with which I have very strong disagreements: > * The mail spool, /var/spool/mail, is moved to /var/mail. This is a positive thing. Both SVR4 and BSD 4.4 put it here. I think any co

New Ical Package

1996-08-12 Thread David Engel
Date: 12 Aug 96 15:25 UT Format: 1.6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: Low Maintainer: David Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Source: ical Version: 2.0p2-2 Binary: ical Architecture: i386 source Description: ical: An X11/Tk Calendar application - Some of Ical's important features are --- - * Item

Bug#4120: rdist & ssh

1996-08-12 Thread Patrick Weemeeuw
Package: netstd Version: 2.06-1 Currently the netstd package contains rdist version 6.1. Could this please be upgraded to version 6.1.1 or 6.1.2, so that it works with ssh? Thanks. -- >From the ssh FAQ: 4.4 Can I use rdist

Re: Bug#4078: lynx should be in `contrib'

1996-08-12 Thread Michael Meskes
Ian Jackson writes: > No, because packages which depend on contrib packages must go in > contrib too. Hmm, that wasn't what was said a while ago when we moved xforms. I'd like to ask the other developers what they think. While I see th elogic behind your approach I still think LyX should be an of

Re: Debian, Linux, the FSSTND, the FHS and BSD

1996-08-12 Thread Christian Linhart
Michael Meskes writes: > Ian Jackson writes: > > The latest draft FHS, which they may well publish as it stands, makes > > the following changes with which I have very strong disagreements: > > * The mail spool, /var/spool/mail, is moved to /var/mail. > > * /var/lib is renamed to /var/state (yes

Bug#4076: shadow-package (not a deb-format-archive)

1996-08-12 Thread Michael Gaertner
On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Ian Jackson wrote: > Michael Gaertner writes ("Bug#4076: shadow-package (not a > deb-format-archive)"): > > Package: shadow > > Version: 960530-1 > > > > with dpkg 1.2.13elf: > > > > ./shadow_960530-1_i386.deb > > > > prints: > > "dpkg-deb: 'shadow...' is not a debian form

Bug#4119: chgrp not detecting error, causing unpredictable results

1996-08-12 Thread J.H.M.Dassen
Package: fileutils Version: 3.13-1 When running "chgrp" as root, no errors or warnings are given when the group doesn't exist (e.g. when accidently using "chown"'s user.group syntax), but the group is changed to a nearly unpredictable value. Script started on Sat Aug 10 15:36:27 1996 zensunni roo

metamail_2.7-5

1996-08-12 Thread Michael Meskes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Date: 12 Aug 96 10:49 UT Format: 1.6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: Low Maintainer: Michael Meskes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Source: metamail Version: 2.7-5 Binary: metamail Architecture: i386 source Description: metamail: An implementation of MIME. Changes: met

Shared library dependencies revisited

1996-08-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Please read the proposal below and comment on it. If noone says anything I'll probably implement and mandate something very like it in the next week or two, in time for the new source package format (we only want to change this once). Now is the time to have your say. I've been thinking about sh

modules_2.0.0-8

1996-08-12 Thread Michael Meskes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Date: 12 Aug 96 10:47 UT Format: 1.6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: Low Maintainer: Michael Meskes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Source: modules Version: 2.0.0-8 Binary: modules Architecture: i386 source Description: modules: Linux module utilities. Changes: modules

Re: Debian, Linux, the FSSTND, the FHS and BSD

1996-08-12 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
You (Michael Meskes) wrote: > Ian Jackson writes: > > The latest draft FHS, which they may well publish as it stands, makes > > the following changes with which I have very strong disagreements: > > * The mail spool, /var/spool/mail, is moved to /var/mail. > > * /var/lib is renamed to /var/state

Re: New package standards - LAST CALL

1996-08-12 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
You (Bruce Perens) wrote: > Miquel: > > If they don't react [to the request to convert to the new source package] > > in say 2 weeks, someone else can do it (I'll take some) like David did > > during the transition from a.out to ELF. > > Thanks for volunteering! Please make sure to merge the multi

Bug#3961: 14 character file name limit in zoo

1996-08-12 Thread branderh
> As zoo comes from DOS I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to > support long filenames. If this is a valid argument for you you might restrict to 8.3 . E

Re: sysv `news' package is unclear

1996-08-12 Thread Dominik Kubla
No, i mean "sysnews". For two reasons: a) it is not sysv specific (you will find it on *bsd as well) b) thats how the package used to be called before i renamed it to "news" Later, Dominik

Bug#4049: access permissions for sysklogd

1996-08-12 Thread Martin Schulze
Good morning Daniel! }/sbin/klogd and /sbin/syslogd should be 755. Why? I don't see any reason they should be executable by everyone. I have copied those permissions from my predecessor and I agree to them. }/usr/doc/sysklogd should be 644. Oups, sure. Will be fixed. Regards, Joey -

Re: Releases other than by the package maintainert

1996-08-12 Thread branderh
> (b) that the non-usual-maintainer releases should use a particular > revision format: eg, hello-1.3-8 would become hello-1.3-8.1. Seems very right to me. But I would like to add the following to it. When mainstream is updated, hello-1.3 -> hello-1.4 Non-usual-maintainer updates, hello-1.

Bug#3185: NCR SCSI 810 support lacking in bootdisks

1996-08-12 Thread Martin Schulze
Good morning pieterb! }I came to the same conclusion while upgrading my Linux system to }Debian 1.1.2. I also must say that the special-kernel directory in the Debian/stable }directory is a mess in most ftp directories (even in ftp.debian.org). } }Can you send me info if NCR SCSI 810 support is

Bug#3961: 14 character file name limit in zoo

1996-08-12 Thread Martin Schulze
Good morning Carl! }Package: zoo }Version: 2.10-1 } }Zoo seems to have some 14 character filename limits, even though the ext2 }filesystem doesn't have such a limit. I can store long filenames, but }an extract seems to truncate the name at 14 characters. I have an a.out }version that doesn't see

Bug#4118: xosview doesn't use XUSERFILESEARCHPATH

1996-08-12 Thread joost witteveen
> > Package: xosview > Version: 1.3.2-6 > > The program doesn't access the directories listed in > XUSERFILESEARCHPATH but it does read the default file > in /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults. I know, it's a horrible programme, isn't it. Any suggestions about what I can do about this -- it's really not

Re: Debian, Linux, the FSSTND, the FHS and BSD

1996-08-12 Thread Michael Meskes
Ian Jackson writes: > The latest draft FHS, which they may well publish as it stands, makes > the following changes with which I have very strong disagreements: > * The mail spool, /var/spool/mail, is moved to /var/mail. > * /var/lib is renamed to /var/state (yes, all of it). > * /var/lib/games

Bug#4118: xosview doesn't use XUSERFILESEARCHPATH

1996-08-12 Thread Herbert Xu
Package: xosview Version: 1.3.2-6 The program doesn't access the directories listed in XUSERFILESEARCHPATH but it does read the default file in /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults.

Re: New package standards - LAST CALL

1996-08-12 Thread Bruce Perens
Miquel: > If they don't react [to the request to convert to the new source package] > in say 2 weeks, someone else can do it (I'll take some) like David did > during the transition from a.out to ELF. Thanks for volunteering! Please make sure to merge the multi-architecture patches while you do tha

Re: New package standards - LAST CALL

1996-08-12 Thread Bruce Perens
Ian Jackson: > Therefore I propose that unless someone raises a serious problem or > issue within the next week or two the new packaging guidelines as > described in the draft dpkg programmers' manual, the draft Debian > policy manual and as implemented by dpkg 1.3.x, will become official. I deleg

Re: Documentation formats

1996-08-12 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The thing is that I think we need to be able to distribute other > [documentation] end-products [than HTML]. > HTML is bad for printing, for example, and not ideal > if you have a slow machine. Choice is a good thing. Do you have a proposal? I'm not trying t

Re: Debian, Linux, the FSSTND, the FHS and BSD

1996-08-12 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I lost this argument, chiefly through a combination of poor politics > on my part Ian, Don't feel bad that you're not good at politics yet - with my 39th birthday approaching I'm only just beginning to understand it. If you feel you've lost arguments throu

Re: Caldera's lawsuit against Microsoft

1996-08-12 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm just posting here on what's really an irrelevant topic to say that > I think it's a very good thing that someone is challenging Microsoft. The terms of the suit require MS to give _Caldera_ details of APIs. Not the general public, just Caldera. MS can s

Bug#4107: emacs leaves stale lockfiles and publishes pathnames

1996-08-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: emacs Version: 19.29-3 My /var/lib/emacs/lock directory contains many old lock files. I'm quite happy to believe that the occasional leftover lock is unavoidable, but steps should be taken to clean them up. Furthermore, all the pathnames for the lockfiles are world-readable. This is not

Re: des encryption..

1996-08-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Yves Arrouye writes ("Re: des encryption.. "): > Ian Jackson writes: > > Also I propose to mandate in the policy manual that packages which use > > /opt should provide appropriate links or files in > > /opt/{bin,lib,man,include,info,doc} and that packages which search > > paths must look in /op

Bug#3952: Less annoyances

1996-08-12 Thread Chris Fearnley
'Christoph Lameter wrote:' > >A wish because of the heavy usage of gzipped files under debian: > >- Add functionality for less to automatically recognize a gzipped file >and view it correctly without having to resort to zless. I have code for that (or you can use most): First set some environment

Re: Emacs per-package startup files

1996-08-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Brian C. White writes ("Re: Emacs per-package startup files"): ... > [someone:] > > So, do these files go in /var/lib/emacs, /etc/emacs, or > > /usr/lib/emacs/site-lisp, and why? I can set it up and send changes > > to the emacs package maintainers this weekend if that gets worked > > out... > >

Re: Conversion procedure for new source packages DRAFT

1996-08-12 Thread Ian Jackson
I wrote: > This is my first draft of a quick document saying how to convert an > old to a new source package. > > DO NOT DO ANYTHING YET except read this and suggest amendments. I've thought of something to add to this list: * Check that the description is well-formatted and meaningful and he

debiandoc-sgml 1.0.3: actually formats documents

1996-08-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Grr, I screwed up the SGML entity catalogue handling so the last version wouldn't work at all unless you happened to be in a directory with a few particular files. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Format: 1.5 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:30:24 +0100 Source: debiandoc-sgml Binary: debiandoc-sgml Ar

shells (was Re: IP-aliasing)

1996-08-12 Thread Craig Sanders
On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Emilio Lopes wrote: > > "CS" == Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > CS> I'd like to see a bourne-like shell with perl-like regexp stuff > CS> (mainly sed & grep) built in - i'd switch to that in a flash. > > People may say it's called ksh93. IMHO, it may seem so