Re: Debian target audience

1997-06-17 Thread Alex Yukhimets
The problem of having both libc5 and libc6 run-time libraries is minor, the main one is that those stuck with libc5-dev cannot use other newly-available versions of *libraries* from hamm. How do you mean? You can install the *libraries* just fine, it's just the development versions that

Upcoming Debian Releases

1997-06-17 Thread Brian C. White
The following message is a list of items to be completed for the upcoming releases of Debian GNU/Linux. If something is missing, incorrect, or you want to take responsibility for one or more items, please send email to: Brian White [EMAIL PROTECTED] This document was last modified at

hamm and dftp

1997-06-17 Thread Douglas L Stewart
Is there a dftp.conf setup I can use that doesn't require me to do some sed work on the packages file? The paths are wrong for the mirrors in the one that's on the servers now. -douglas -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble?

Orphaning dftp.

1997-06-17 Thread Rob Browning
I'd like to officially offer dftp up for adoption. I don't use it anymore -- dselect works much better for me now that I came to terms with it -- and so I don't really have much interest in maintaining dftp anymore (that and the fact that I have a bunch of other things I'm supposed to be doing).

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-17 Thread Tim Cutts
On 16 Jun 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote: I meant the possibility for a customer to request the ISP exim to reject any mail that comes from, say, savetrees.com. You know, what AOL does, except I want individual customers to be able to configure individual lists. I don't think that is

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-17 Thread Carey Evans
Santiago Vila Doncel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] The simplest solution is to ship html in a different package. This way the user will be able to choose to not install the html docs if he/she believes info2www is enough. It might be nice if different types of duplicate documentation

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-17 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Erik B. Andersen wrote: I cannot agree more. We should definatly add these fields to the .deb package format! This will involve a bit of work, but will be VERY worth it. No more licensing surprises, for instance. I second that! This would even make my proposed

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-17 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Santiago Vila Doncel wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: TOPIC 7: new definition of ``free software'' This is only about the main section. In addition to that, I wonder why we are supporting this packages in the `contrib' section: * whose

Re: Orphaning dftp.

1997-06-17 Thread Roman Hodek
I'd like to officially offer dftp up for adoption. I don't use it anymore -- dselect works much better for me now that I came to terms with it -- and so I don't really have much interest in maintaining dftp anymore (that and the fact that I have a bunch of other things I'm supposed to be

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-17 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Sorry, I didn't explain well. I said: *--- I wonder why we are supporting this packages in the `contrib' section: * whose copyright permission notices (or patent problems) allow only

RE: inetd question

1997-06-17 Thread Michael Meskes
Yes, I use a proxy and both proxy and www-client run on the same machine. But it appears the ident calls came from my firewall where I run a http-gw. You're absolutely right that I should get rid of that traffic. There is no need for the firewall to ask identd on a local machine. But it should

Re: inetd question

1997-06-17 Thread Peter Tobias
On Jun 15, Kai Henningsen wrote: I guess it's the ident service. So I try nowait.120 and see what happens. Of course it is the ident service (that's what the error message of inetd said). But the ident service is not a service that is used alone. You have an application/service which

Re: (bogus mailing list message)

1997-06-17 Thread Mark Baker
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope he has good arguments for it, since I would not like to have two concurring menu systems in Debian: menu and dwww. I think it shouldn't be too hard to change the menu package to dwww's needs, if this should be necessary.

Re: When will bash 2.01 be packaged?

1997-06-17 Thread Mark Baker
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Guy Maor is the current maintainer of the bash package. However, he told us that he is offline for about 4 weeks. So I think someone else should grab it and upload a non-maintainer (interim) release. Is that

Re: locale errors

1997-06-17 Thread Tomislav Vujec
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Baker) wrote on 15.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I got that (with perl only) before I installed debian; it doesn't like locale settings that other programs seem to get on with OK. Try removing the LANG variable and it ought

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-17 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Jun 17, Santiago Vila Doncel wrote Sorry, I didn't explain well. I said: *--- I wonder why we are supporting this packages in the `contrib' section: * whose copyright permission notices (or patent problems) allow

RE: locale errors

1997-06-17 Thread Michael Meskes
No! You cannot use libc5 compiled perl with glibc locales! Wait for a libc6 version of perl and everything should be fine again. Michael -- Dr. Michael Meskes, Projekt-Manager| topsystem Systemhaus GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]| Europark A2, Adenauerstr. 20 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Upcoming Debian Releases

1997-06-17 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Brian C. White wrote: August 31, 1997 All packages depending on libc4 or libc5 will be removed. This is too much strong. I would suggest to make their associated bug (the one saying it's still libc5) almost-critical instead. -BEGIN

Re: When will bash 2.01 be packaged?

1997-06-17 Thread James Troup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Baker) writes: Guy Maor is the current maintainer of the bash package. However, he told us that he is offline for about 4 weeks. So I think someone else should grab it and upload a non-maintainer (interim) release. Is that necessary just to work round a (long

Re: locale errors

1997-06-17 Thread Mark Baker
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tomislav Vujec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But setting LANG to _correct_ value (e.g. en or en_US) might help. perl was giving me errors when I had it set to en_GB (before I installed debian).

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-17 Thread Charles Briscoe-Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fernando) wrote: Author: name and email of main upstream author (copyright holder) License: code describing license type Original-Site: site/URL at which the package is originally stored Yes. We could even go further and specify the type of non-free license. Common types are:

Re: Package priorities and dependencies.

1997-06-17 Thread Charles Briscoe-Smith
Santiago Vila Doncel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think libraries should not need priorities (or they need them much less than ordinary program packages). So if they have more or less priority, I really don't mind. Go ahead. I have a suggestion for libraries: most users don't want or need to know

How do we do modules?

1997-06-17 Thread csmall
G'day All, Now that I've taked over ax25 utilites from Bruce, I'm slowly working on the makefiles etc so that we will have a huge leap forward in versions to the latest and greatest. But there is a small associated problem. There is a lot of amateur radio device drivers in the kernel. Now

tin copyright problems?

1997-06-17 Thread Peter Tobias
/usr/doc/tin/copyright says that tin is distributed under the GPL but lots of *.c files have one of the following copyright statements: * Copyright : (c) Copyright 1991-94 by Iain Lea * You may freely copy or redistribute this software, * so long as there is no

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-17 Thread Peter Tobias
On Jun 17, Christian Schwarz wrote: Original-Site: site/URL at which the package is originally stored Ok. I think Original-Site is used in the .lsm entries. Wouldn't something like Upstream-Site be better? It is important that more than one Upstream-Site field is allowed. Not for alternate

Re: Orphaning dftp.

1997-06-17 Thread Rob Browning
Roman Hodek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd volunteer for maintaining dftp, at least for a while, if nobody else does. I also have a lot of things to do and not too much time left, but I need dftp for my two machines at home Right. Just in case you hadn't thought of it you could use dselect's

Re: Obsolete package CGI-modules (hamm)

1997-06-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Scott == Scott K Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scott Umm, actually perl5 only includes CGI.pm, and CGI::Apache, Scott Carp, Fast, Push, and Switch. The libs from CGI-modules are Scott NOT included. So we do still need a cgi-modules package, Scott although perhaps in a renamed and cleaned

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-17 Thread Chris Fearnley
'Tim Cutts wrote:' On 14 Jun 1997, John Goerzen wrote: Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should be the standard mailer for hamm: Exim doesn't provide UUCP capabilities *at all*, thus it is rather useless for

Re: How do we do modules?

1997-06-17 Thread Bruce Perens
I think you should build a 2.1.x boot disk using the boot-floppies scripts, since ax.25 is so much nicer in 2.1 it makes no sense to base new work on 2.0 . When you build the kernel, you get to decide what is a module and what is not in the configuration menu. Thanks Bruce --

Re: tin copyright problems?

1997-06-17 Thread Bruce Perens
Ugh. Can someone write to them? Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word

GNU stow

1997-06-17 Thread Charles Briscoe-Smith
Hi, I hope no-one minds that I've gone ahead and dome this without asking first... I've packaged GNU stow 1.3.2. This may not sound useful, it being another package management system, but I find it pretty useful to manage my /usr/local directory, so there it is. It's at

Re: Package priorities and dependencies.

1997-06-17 Thread Martin Alonso Soto Jacome
Charles Briscoe-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a suggestion for libraries: most users don't want or need to know about shared libraries when installing and upgrading their system, or when adding an app etc. I totally agree here. The Debian package format includes enough information

create Packages.gz file from directory

1997-06-17 Thread Christian Leutloff
Hello! I want to create a Packages.gz file for local files, i.e. on a CD-ROM or ZIP floppy. Using dpkg --record-avail -R /usr/src/deb it's possible to get the information manually, but how can I write it to a file?? (dpkg version was 1.4.0.8) Thanks Christian -- Christian Leutloff,

Re: create Packages.gz file from directory

1997-06-17 Thread Martin Schulze
Christian Leutloff writes: I want to create a Packages.gz file for local files, i.e. on a CD-ROM or ZIP floppy. Using dpkg --record-avail -R /usr/src/deb it's possible to get the information manually, but how can I write it to a file?? There is dpkg-scanpackages somewhere. Regards

Re: Package priorities and dependencies.

1997-06-17 Thread Behan Webster
Martin Alonso Soto Jacome wrote: If you think about it, there's really no reason to select a shared library package by hand; if you want a binary that uses it, it'll depend on it; if you want to build against it, you install the -dev package (which depends on it). The only time you really

Re: locale errors

1997-06-17 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Meskes) wrote on 17.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No! You cannot use libc5 compiled perl with glibc locales! Wait for a libc6 version of perl and everything should be fine again. This is, of course, a problem nearly as serious as that about utmp. MfG Kai -- TO

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-17 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Cutts) wrote on 17.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 16 Jun 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote: I meant the possibility for a customer to request the ISP exim to reject any mail that comes from, say, savetrees.com. You know, what AOL does, except I want individual customers

Re: locale errors

1997-06-17 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tomislav Vujec) wrote on 17.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Baker) wrote on 15.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I got that (with perl only) before I installed debian; it doesn't like locale settings that

Re: hamm and dftp

1997-06-17 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas L Stewart) wrote on 16.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there a dftp.conf setup I can use that doesn't require me to do some sed work on the packages file? The paths are wrong for the mirrors in the one that's on the servers now. The paths in the Packages file

Processed: reassignments

1997-06-17 Thread Ian Jackson
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: reassign 10089 xbase Bug#10089: Experiences with 1.3 (bo) Bug reassigned from package `project' to `xbase'. reassign 5583 boot-floppies Bug#5583: Shortcomings of install.txt and debian-manual.txt Bug reassigned from package `manual' to

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-17 Thread David Frey
David Frey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: TOPIC 4: editor/pager policy What is the benefit of /usr/bin/sensible-{editor,pager}? Why don't we just default to EDITOR=/usr/bin/vi and PAGER=/usr/bin/more if both variables are unset? (auch, don't beat me) That might enable us to get

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-17 Thread Scott Ellis
On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, David Frey wrote: The files /usr/bin/{editor,pager} will be managed through alternatives. Since alternatives can be changed by the sysadmin only, we allow the user to define EDITOR and PAGER to override this. That's why we need sensible-{editor,pager}. These are

Re: locale errors

1997-06-17 Thread Ben Pfaff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Meskes) wrote on 17.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No! You cannot use libc5 compiled perl with glibc locales! Wait for a libc6 version of perl and everything should be fine again. This is, of course, a problem nearly as

Re: GNU stow

1997-06-17 Thread Mark Baker
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Briscoe-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's at URL:ftp://pcsw104b.ukc.ac.uk/pub/cpb4/, and I will upload it as and when. Incidentally, there's a package there called 'curses', Assuming that's the game by Graham Nelson, great, I like being able