Hello world,
Basically: don't do them.
In more detail: it's possible, even easy with the recent versions of dpkg,
to do source-only uploads to the archive. That is only upload a diff and a
dsc (and maybe an orig.tgz), without any .debs at all.
The most important problem this has is how katie
On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 05:38:36 Branden Robinson wrote:
Consider that when I manage to hork up X, I know about it within
hours of
dinstall. Likewise, a few days ago when Wichert busted the vim
postinst,
he was told about it quite fast indeed.
I don't have any concrete recommendations for
Sorry for the crosspost, but I wanted to get this to those involved as
such. Hopefully my tone won't sway you, if you read on I think you'll
understand why.
First, I regard debian as the 'best' linux distro out there. I recommend
it to everyone.
However, around the time of the potato release,
On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, John O Sullivan wrote:
On a slightly related topic, packages that are updated everyday are a
big headache for those of us that are living at the end of a modem,
because we have to update many 10's of packages a day == lots of
downloading. Its not a problem these days, but
actually view what's being upgraded before you download 250 packages that
That would be -u, and has been there for a long time (forever?) My
only issue is that it isn't the default, really :-)
And why are packages being REMOVED (lib-pg-perl for example) when I dist
upgrade?
Because that's
Erik Hollensbe wrote:
However, around the time of the potato release, things in woody especially
started falling to shit, mainly in stupid QC that could have been easily
prevented.
That's not my experience. I've seen breakage, but no more than is
typical in unstable. In fact I've noticed a
On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 11:06:18PM -0800, Erik Hollensbe wrote:
And why are packages being REMOVED (lib-pg-perl for example) when I dist
upgrade?
Because thats what dist- stands for. If you dont want to remove conflicting
or sperseeded packages, then dont use dist-upgrade but upgrade.
apt-get
On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 11:52:16PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
That's not my experience. I've seen breakage, but no more than is
typical in unstable. In fact I've noticed a degree of holding back on
releasing major upgrades (X 4, apt 0.4, etc) into unstable that is
either commendable or a PITA
Branden Robinson wrote:
Eh? XFree86 4.x packages weren't held back at all. I released them to
unstable as soon as they were ready.
This waiting until things are ready before they are released is exactly
the disturbing trend I was referring to. :-P
--
see shy jo
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 07:03:44AM +, John O Sullivan wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 05:38:36 Branden Robinson wrote:
I don't have any concrete recommendations for how to take this into
account, but I certainly think that a 14-day waiting period for
packages like these is excessive.
I'm
Bernd == Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bernd Hello Sam, On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 11:27:44PM -0500, Sam
Bernd Hartman wrote:
In order to actually get something done in an electronic
office, we need a certain amount of infrastructure.
Bernd Thanks for your work.
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 12:16:21AM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
Branden Robinson wrote:
Eh? XFree86 4.x packages weren't held back at all. I released them to
unstable as soon as they were ready.
This waiting until things are ready before they are released is exactly
the disturbing trend I
On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 02:32:18PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
On the other hand, if we use a script now, we can be done tomorrow.
When will the script be run, and which package will it belong to?
Obviously it cannot be something which must be run manually,
as the update script for Debian 1.3 to 2.0
On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Branden Robinson wrote:
You know, kinda like the way I went nuclear on Wichert when he broke vim.
Just use abiword, who's maintainer never updates it(hi gecko).
BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK
Version: 3.12
GCS d- s: a-- c+++ UL P+ L !E W+ M o+ K- W--- !O M- !V
On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 11:06:18PM -0800, Erik Hollensbe wrote:
However, around the time of the potato release, things in woody especially
started falling to shit, mainly in stupid QC that could have been easily
prevented.
[...]
have easily rendered a semi-production system completely dead
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 02:21:50AM -0500, Mark W. Eichin wrote:
actually view what's being upgraded before you download 250 packages that
That would be -u, and has been there for a long time (forever?) My
only issue is that it isn't the default, really :-)
put:
Apt::Get::Show-Upgraded
== Erik Hollensbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Some packages refuse to install, and of course, break apt in
the process. Right now, I'm *hopefully* going to be able to
repair a totally hosed server that failed an apt-get because
MAN AND GROFF failed to install properly,
When booting my workstation today I noticed that xdm won't come
up. I tried starting X by hand and got the following error
messages:
Symbol drmMap from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is
unresolved!
Symbol drmUnmap from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is
Hi,
I've been asked about my rsync mirror script, which is an extension
from Joey Hess's one, on irc and here several times.
So would there be intrest in a deb of the script coming with a debconf
interface for configuration, cronjob or ip-up support and whatever else
is needed to keep an
My lilo configuration scripts need to be able to infer the correct location
for the MBR. I am currently using the following algorithm:
take root fs device from /etc/fstab and do the following:
s/[0-9]*//
s/part$/disc/
The latter is for devfs.
Now for the benefit of RAID systems I need to do:
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 12:37:05PM +0100 , Martin Maciaszek wrote:
When booting my workstation today I noticed that xdm won't come
up. I tried starting X by hand and got the following error
messages:
Symbol drmMap from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o is
unresolved!
Symbol
* Russell Coker
| My lilo configuration scripts need to be able to infer the correct location
| for the MBR. I am currently using the following algorithm:
| take root fs device from /etc/fstab and do the following:
| s/[0-9]*//
| s/part$/disc/
What is the use of the first s/? Unless your
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 02:24:22PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| s/[0-9]*//
| s/part$/disc/
What is the use of the first s/? Unless your first letter is a digit,
it will just remove the zero-width string '' between the first / and
the beginning of the string.
A better solution will
== Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Russell Coker | My lilo configuration scripts need to be able
to infer the correct location | for the MBR. I am currently
using the following algorithm: | take root fs device from
/etc/fstab and do the following: |
Since ssl support (configure --with-ssl) is now integrated in the main
lynx source, will lynx-ssl be obsolete? And will lynx has to go to
non-US? Or do we still need separate version?
Christoph
--
Christoph Martin,
* Bart Schuller
| On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 02:24:22PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| | s/[0-9]*//
| | s/part$/disc/
|
| What is the use of the first s/? Unless your first letter is a digit,
| it will just remove the zero-width string '' between the first / and
| the beginning of the
* Goswin Brederlow
| s/[0-9]$//
|
| which will remove 5 from /dev/hda5.
|
| You forgot /dev/hda17, which would become /dev/hda1 with your syntax.
you are right.
make that regexp a s/[0-9]+$// instead.
--
Tollef Fog Heen
Unix _IS_ user friendly... It's just selective about who
Bart Schuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 02:24:22PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| s/[0-9]*//
| s/part$/disc/
What is the use of the first s/? Unless your first letter is a digit,
it will just remove the zero-width string '' between the first / and
the beginning of
Christoph Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since ssl support (configure --with-ssl) is now integrated in the main
lynx source, will lynx-ssl be obsolete? And will lynx has to go to
non-US? Or do we still need separate version?
Since lynx is GPLed, surely we shouldn't be linking it to OpenSSL at
ISHIKAWA Mutsumi schrieb:
So, I want to separate TrueType fonts and meta datas such that
fonts.scale and fonts.alias included in xfonts-xtt-*.
C'mon, it wont do any harm to ppl who are using LaTeX but not
X11 if they have fonts.scale and fonts.alias installed but
unused. They are not larger
Hello
Postgresql 7.1beta1 is now available at
ftp://ftp.postgresql.org/pub/dev/
It is said to be stable
What are your plans to release the package?
Do you have any available version for testing?
Do you have some advice to build this package?
This package is needed to package sourceforge2.5
* (Colin Watson)
| Contrary to the subconscious assumption many people make, the first
| priority for a regex is to match earliest, not to match longest.
| regex(7) specifically mentions this:
For a non-POSIX regex, that is.
| However, stylistically s/[0-9]*// is better written as s/[0-9]+//
|
Dear Debian developers,
We regret to disturb this mailing list, but we feel that the previous
email by Federico di Gregorio was an act of defamation towards PoPy
and ZPoPyDA authors. We think that our problems with Federico di
Gregorio as a member of Mixadlive S.r.l. board should be independent
MoiN
On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 11:21:42PM +0100, Goswin Brederlow wrote:
Maybe I have architecure dependent documentation that should not be in
share.
Architecture dependent files go to /usr/lib, so I'd put them into
/usr/lib/package/doc. You can symlink them from
/usr/share/doc/package, too. If
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 12:18:51AM +0100, Matthijs Melchior wrote:
Yes, OK, I was expecting a method that did not require to
download the full package, just the index and a specific file
then ask a mirror admin to provide the service (i.e. parse deb to get
changelog etc. and
On Wednesday 03 January 2001 00:24, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| My lilo configuration scripts need to be able to infer the correct
| location for the MBR. I am currently using the following algorithm:
| take root fs device from /etc/fstab and do the following:
| s/[0-9]*//
| s/part$/disc/
Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* (Colin Watson)
| Contrary to the subconscious assumption many people make, the first
| priority for a regex is to match earliest, not to match longest.
| regex(7) specifically mentions this:
For a non-POSIX regex, that is.
Could you point me to some
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Arthur Korn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ISHIKAWA Mutsumi schrieb:
So, I want to separate TrueType fonts and meta datas such that
fonts.scale and fonts.alias included in xfonts-xtt-*.
C'mon, it wont do any harm to ppl who are using LaTeX but not
X11 if they have
* (Colin Watson)
| For a non-POSIX regex, that is.
|
| Could you point me to some documentation about this? regex(7) claims to
| describe POSIX 1003.2 regular expressions, and describes leftmost-first
| behaviour.
Hmm. Strange. Mastering Regular Expressions by O'Reilly has
something about
I built gtkhtml 0.8 and evolution 0.8 on unstable. Evolution says Can't
initialize the Evolution shell.
This appears to be a CORBA problem. Before I dive in, has anyone else dealt
with it?
Thanks
Bruce
ILISP is a emacs interface to various lisp-like systems, including
CMUCL and guile (which are already packaged for Debian).
I've already coordinated with the upstream maintainer to have the
debian subdir in the upstream CVS archive.
On Mon, Jan 1, 2001 at 12:20:32 -0800 (+), Joey Hess wrote:
Ben Collins wrote:
[snip]
So it will need to:
1. Remove all symlinks in /usr/doc that correspond to
symlinks or directories with the same names in /usr/share/doc
2. If there are any directories with the same names in
ISHIKAWA Mutsumi schrieb:
For example, if ttf-xtt-* includes meta datas(fonts.alias,
fonts.scale, tfm and so on) and when only fonts.alias update and
upload. A user would download ttf-xtt-* package (include other files,
they are not updated), if the user use the package only for TeX (not
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 01:32:00PM +0100, Petr Cech wrote:
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 12:37:05PM +0100 , Martin Maciaszek wrote:
When booting my workstation today I noticed that xdm won't come
up. I tried starting X by hand and got the following error
messages:
Symbol drmMap from module
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 09:56:58AM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote:
I built gtkhtml 0.8 and evolution 0.8 on unstable. Evolution says Can't
initialize the Evolution shell.
This appears to be a CORBA problem. Before I dive in, has anyone else dealt
with it?
Only to the extent you are duplicating
Hello,
On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 07:49:55PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:42:22AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
Ack!(tm). Not shades of rh7, I hope? I know that people using sid (like
Uh, GCC 2.95.3 CVS NOT 2.96 OR 2.97! Please be careful what you say. We
are talking
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know about freshmeat (I only use it for the software search engine),
but IMHO Sourceforge suffers just as much or probably even more so from the
current Debian hierarchy problem: too generic or just overcrowded categories.
That's two of the problems I'm
MoiN
I just found that some (398) packages which seem to be build from
upstream sources contain a bad version string. e.g.:
adolc_1.8.7-3.tar.gz
an_0.93-1.2.tar.gz
an_0.93-2.tar.gz
animals_19991226-4.1.tar.gz
aolserver_3.0rc2-4.tar.gz
apache-perl_1.3.12-1-1.24-2.tar.gz
Hi,
I want to use start-stop-daemon to start the debian-mirror script if
its not already running. I don't trust the script, so I run it as user
mirror:nogroup.
But then start-stop-daemon can't write a pidfile to /var/run.
Whats the right[tm] way for this?
root:~% start-stop-daemon -S -m -c
Ingo == Ingo Saitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ingo MoiN I just found that some (398) packages which seem to be
Ingo build from upstream sources contain a bad version
Ingo string. e.g.:
Ingo adolc_1.8.7-3.tar.gz an_0.93-1.2.tar.gz an_0.93-2.tar.gz
Ingo
On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 11:37:17AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-- Ferret
Who recalls a cddb access program designed for blind people where
cddb.com DENIED a certification because the program couldn't display a
graphical logo where the blind people could see it.
Presumably no blind
On 3 Jan 2001, Goswin Brederlow wrote:
Hi,
I want to use start-stop-daemon to start the debian-mirror script if
its not already running. I don't trust the script, so I run it as user
mirror:nogroup.
But then start-stop-daemon can't write a pidfile to /var/run.
Whats the right[tm] way
-- snip--
I'm using the debs from
deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/evolution/distributions/Debian ./
And evolution runs for me. Can you try these debs and see if they fix
any problems for you?
--
Frank Belew
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
== Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 3 Jan 2001, Goswin Brederlow wrote:
Hi,
I want to use start-stop-daemon to start the debian-mirror
script if its not already running. I don't trust the script, so
I run it as user mirror:nogroup.
But then
Scavenging the mail folder uncovered Frank Belew's letter:
-- snip--
I'm using the debs from
deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/evolution/distributions/Debian ./
And evolution runs for me. Can you try these debs and see if they fix
any problems for you?
i am using the helix debs on a
On 3 Jan 2001, Goswin Brederlow wrote:
set -e
test -x /usr/sbin/debian-mirror || exit 0
touch /var/run/debian-mirror.pid
chown mirror.nogroup /var/run/debian-mirror.pid
touch /var/log/debian-mirror.log
chown mirror.nogroup /var/log/debian-mirror.log
start-stop-daemon -S -m -c
Ettore set me straight. The problem is that oaf is not looking in
/usr/local/share/oaf , and if you do the default installation, CORBA
won't work. Move the contents of /usr/local/share/oaf to /usr/share/oaf .
Run oaf-slay. Various GNOME applications die. Start evolution.
There may be a policy
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Arthur Korn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ISHIKAWA Mutsumi schrieb:
For example, if ttf-xtt-* includes meta datas(fonts.alias,
fonts.scale, tfm and so on) and when only fonts.alias update and
upload. A user would download ttf-xtt-* package (include other files,
they
Hello,
I have posted this to both -ipv6 and -devel mailing lists, as I think
it is an important issue to Debian as a whole.
Is IPv6 a release goal for any future release of Debian ?
The reason I ask is because in bug #80503, one of the responses was
that IPv6 is not a release goal.
However, I
I was under the impression that ipv6 was a release goal for woody. Not
necessarily a _total_ showstopper, but more on the 'extremely desirable'
sort of priority range.
Certainly we have things like exim, lftp, ssh that work 'out of the box'
with v6...and apps that work with v6 work (equally)
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 01:30:50PM +1100, Brian May wrote:
Is IPv6 a release goal for any future release of Debian ?
Debian doesn't do release goals per se. I for one would love to have
Debian work out of the box with IPv6, but the only way for that to happen
is for someone to actually do the
Russell == Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Russell Right. The s/[0-9]+$// should do it.
pedant mode=major
s/\d+$// not s/[0-9]+$//. The former will continue to work in Unicode
capable file-systems (assuming Linux ever supports such).
/pedant
Nothing to see here, move along...
Hello world,
Basically: don't do them.
In more detail: it's possible, even easy with the recent versions of dpkg,
to do source-only uploads to the archive. That is only upload a diff and a
dsc (and maybe an orig.tgz), without any .debs at all.
The most important problem this has is how katie
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:51:52PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote:
Ettore set me straight. The problem is that oaf is not looking in
/usr/local/share/oaf , and if you do the default installation, CORBA
won't work. Move the contents of /usr/local/share/oaf to /usr/share/oaf .
Run oaf-slay. Various
Branden Robinson wrote:
You know, kinda like the way I went nuclear on Wichert when he broke vim.
You use vi? Emacs rules.
--
Eray (exa) Ozkural
Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo
Hi Eric.
One of the things you said, is:
Some packages refuse to install, and of course, break apt in the process.
Right now, I'm *hopefully* going to be able to repair a totally hosed
server that failed an apt-get because MAN AND GROFF failed to install
properly, ending the upgrade process and
One more thing...
You are correct, that developers need to test and not cause syntax errors
before uploading packages, even to unstable or woody. But people do, and
-if- you're using unstable or woody in production, errors and problems you
get are your responsability. If not, file appropriate
On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Jim Lynch wrote:
Hi Eric.
One of the things you said, is:
Some packages refuse to install, and of course, break apt in the process.
Right now, I'm *hopefully* going to be able to repair a totally hosed
server that failed an apt-get because MAN AND GROFF failed to
Aj and I were talking about this, and here's an alternative:
* Make a new suidmanager package that predepends on the new line of dpkg
packages and, in its preinst, converts everything to use statoverride.
* Dpkg doesn't need any support for suidmanager conversion stuff at all.
* Any package
Anthony Towns wrote:
Basically: don't do them.
Gack. I know several people have counted on this working in the past.
Moreover, it's really a *good* thing, if you don't have a lot of control
over your build environment. Let the autobuilders do it.
The most important problem this has is how
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