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Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-04 Thread Juha Jäykkä
> My Microsoft Natural keyboard has the Euro symbol placed on the '5' of my > keyboard, and this is a US version of the keyboard (at least that's what I > ordered, and it has a '$' symbol)... But is doesn't have an AltGr key... I would say, AltGr is which ever key functions as Mode_switch. AltGr

[판촉물,카렌다] debian-devel님 안녕하십니까?

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Re: Debian.rpm

2002-01-04 Thread Joey Hess
David B Harris wrote: > But it would be feasible to package up a Debian chroot in an RPM. Too > bad it would have to be huge to have a reasonable subset of useful > Debian packages :) Don't bother with the chroot, just package up debootstrap with maybe some wrapper code to call it easier ("/usr/bi

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-04 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thursday 03 January 2002 05:24 pm, Adrian Bunk wrote: > One important thing are more frequent releases. We don't have to release > as often as other distributions but IMHO it's needed to have a new stable > release at about once a year. Currently the software in our stable release > is two years

Re: at least 260 packages broken on arm, powerpc and s390 due to wrong assumption on char signedness

2002-01-04 Thread Kjetil Torgrim Homme
Jim Meyering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If every system had up-to-date, standards-conforming ctype.h > support, we wouldn't have to worry much at all. But even these > days, pretty many systems with buggy macros are still in use. Surely these aren't Debian systems? If so, we should get those

Re: Debian.rpm

2002-01-04 Thread Sean Middleditch
On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 12:11, David B Harris wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:56:58 +0100 > martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > it would be possible, you know. an RPM that basically substitutes > > every installed RPM by the corresponding DEB. that would rock ;) > > Well, what you're sugge

Re: Debian.rpm

2002-01-04 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach David B Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.04.1811 +0100]: > Well, what you're suggesting isn't really feasible ;) why not? it would be a horrible debugging cycle, but you can totally replace an operating system with an RPM... > But it would be feasible to package up a Debian chroot

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-04 Thread Rick Younie
Fabian Fagerholm wrote: > > I agree. After all, it's voluntary to volunteer. > But it should be very clear what is expected of you, and what you are > willing to contribute. At the moment, much is expected, but the > willingness can only be observed afterwards, day by day. > > Recent discussions

Re: Debian.rpm

2002-01-04 Thread David B Harris
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:56:58 +0100 martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > it would be possible, you know. an RPM that basically substitutes > every installed RPM by the corresponding DEB. that would rock ;) Well, what you're suggesting isn't really feasible ;) But it would be feasible to pac

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-04 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Colin! You wrote: > What the exact steps should be to accomplish this goal aren't completely > clear to me, and I doubt they are to anyone else either. We have come a > long way, but there is a lot more to do. Just for example, take the > thread about Euro support. Certainly, Europe is part

Re: ITP: openmash -- streaming media toolkit

2002-01-04 Thread David Martinez
On Fri 28 Dec 2001 04:00, Clint Adams wrote: > > I think that should be in non-free, until license issues are cleared. > > (CellB, Netvideo, XML Parser) > > Is it possible to port openmash to a free XML parser? > (I didn't see any non-commercial clauses in the CellB or Netvideo > licenses).

Re: Debian.rpm

2002-01-04 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Valentijn Sessink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.04.1255 +0100]: > A friend of mine runs RedHat and told me "but I configure it with vi". > I told him - jokingly - that I prefered Debian and joe. He answered > "Hmm, Debian, what's that for a package? Maybe there's an .rpm of it". > > Ma

Re: Bug#127747: general: libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in application and library

2002-01-04 Thread Steve M. Robbins
Folks, We're going to have a whole new round of complaints and such if the broken packages get into testing. It seems to me that we should have high-severity open bugs on these packages to prevent them from getting into testing before it is sorted out. Do the new maintainers of libqt and KDE

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-04 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 09:33, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: > While of course what you are saying here is formally correct, this > shouldn't mean that a project consisting of hackers (such as Debian), > shouldn't have a clear internal structure, a clear idea of what things > people can work on, or clear idea

Re: at least 260 packages broken on arm, powerpc and s390 due to wrong assumption on char signedness

2002-01-04 Thread Jim Meyering
Ganesan R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "Steve" == Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On 31-Dec-01, 19:42 (CST), Ganesan R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Another thing that puzzles me since this whole debate started. If you look >>> at the declaration of ctype.h functions (isalpha f

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-04 Thread Robin Putters
> > The Euro is on the `4' of my keyboard, I think it should display a Euro when > used with the `Alt gr' modifier. Most UK keyboards that have been made in > the last few years have a Euro symbol in the same place. > My Microsoft Natural keyboard has the Euro symbol placed on the '5' of my keyboa

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-04 Thread Roland Mas
Bas Zoetekouw (2002-01-04 14:17:07 +0100) : > Hi Andreas! > > You wrote: [...] >> Also an emacs started with that env setting doesn't do anything on >> AltGr-e (without that setting, everything's OK: Â, see ;-)). > > Well, I get a little square here, but that's probably my own settings. Nope.

Re: Adopting these packages

2002-01-04 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20020105 02:03]: > I will adopt the KDE packages, while Chris "calc" Cheney will take Do you now have (access to) proper hardware to build these packages on? -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: find eating all memory

2002-01-04 Thread Paul Slootman
On Thu 03 Jan 2002, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > By default, find doesn't follow links. When forced to (-follow), it > keeps track of inodes and doesn't enter the same directory twice. I wish diff -r did the same :-( Paul Slootman

Adopting these packages

2002-01-04 Thread Daniel Stone
retitle 127711 ITA: kde-designer - Qt GUI Designer (with KDE Widget support) retitle 127707 ITA: kdemultimedia - Multimedia applications for KDE retitle 127706 ITA: kdebase - Core applications for KDE retitle 127705 ITA: kdelibs - Core libraries for KDE retitle 127698 ITA: meta-kde - KDE meta-packa

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-04 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Adam! You wrote: > Sure, everyone agrees. This has been hashed over and over and over. Talking > about it doesn't help. Solve the problem. How? -- Kind regards, +---+ | Bas Zoetekouw | Si l'on sait exactement ce

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-04 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Colin! You wrote: > > What the people writing about this matter seem to be after is > > - what is expected of a maintainer? > > - how does the debian project fit together? > > - what can I do? > > - what must I know to be able to do this? > > - where do I go to ask if I must know something? >

Re: at least 260 packages broken on arm, powerpc and s390 due to wrong assumption on char signedness

2002-01-04 Thread Ganesan R
> "Steve" == Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 31-Dec-01, 19:42 (CST), Ganesan R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Another thing that puzzles me since this whole debate started. If you look >> at the declaration of ctype.h functions (isalpha family), they take a int as >> an argume

Re: Release-critical Bugreport for January 4, 2002

2002-01-04 Thread David N. Welton
BugScan reporter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Package: erlang-slang (debian/main) > Maintainer: Mark Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 121460 erlang-slang doesn't build from source on powerpc (at least) Fixed, and patch sent directly to the maintainer. Will NMU if I don't hear back from said maintaine

Re: libpng transition

2002-01-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 10:32:22AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Fri, 04 Jan 2002, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:27:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > Another way is to bump the soname on libL at the time you bump the one > > > on libM. People are

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 01:59:21PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: > > Split it up in 'core' (must fit easily on one CD) and 'added value' > > (the other 21 CDs). Release seperately. Release often. 'core' must > I agree completely. With our current testing setup this shouldn't be too > difficult to do

Re: at least 260 packages broken on arm, powerpc and s390 due to wrong assumption on char signedness

2002-01-04 Thread Steve Greenland
On 31-Dec-01, 19:42 (CST), Ganesan R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another thing that puzzles me since this whole debate started. If you look > at the declaration of ctype.h functions (isalpha family), they take a int as > an argument. The reason the argument for these is int is a relic of the dar

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-04 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Andreas! You wrote: > When I use a iso8859-15 font in xterm, the euro will display > correctly, but I can't enter it on the commandline, it only > beeps. However, when I use 'read' and then enter AltGr-e, it works ok. > However if I set LANG or LC_CTYPE to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' it no longer beep

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-04 Thread Michael Meskes
[I think it's quite interesting to see a a thread develop upon Adrian's original post where many people add something to this discussion but no one bothers to answer to Mike's mail below, which IMO is a good idea.] On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 12:03:15AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > Debian is

libpng transition - how about a libpng-inconsistency package

2002-01-04 Thread Erich Schubert
what about making a package called "libpng-inconsistency", which versioned-conflicts with those packages not yet recompiled; libqt, libgd, imlib etc. then only have to depend on this one package, so the conflicts list of them doesn't get too big ;) This would allow us to delay the upgrade of libqt

Re: Some thoughts about problems within Debian

2002-01-04 Thread Matilainen Panu
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, ext Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > In article > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Sure, everyone agrees. This has been hashed over and over and over. > Talking > >about it doesn't help. Solve the problem. > > Debian is too big. > > Split it u

Re: libpng transition

2002-01-04 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 04 Jan 2002, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:27:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Another way is to bump the soname on libL at the time you bump the one > > on libM. People are usually against this, since in fact the libL > > interface hasn't changed at all. I'

Debian.rpm

2002-01-04 Thread Valentijn Sessink
Just a short, silly note. A friend of mine runs RedHat and told me "but I configure it with vi". I told him - jokingly - that I prefered Debian and joe. He answered "Hmm, Debian, what's that for a package? Maybe there's an .rpm of it". Made me think :-D V.

Re: libpng transition

2002-01-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:27:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > "Steve M. Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > If we go this route, how do we gracefully handle a bump in > > SONAME for libM? > We have no way. We have an ungraceful way, however: create a flag > day, when all the relev

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

2002-01-04 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 11:47:08PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > Closed-source programs and libraries are not a problem if the library we > > are talking about is copyrighted under the terms of the GPL (like libpng). > > My reading of /usr/share/doc/li

Bug#127750: ITP: speedtouch -- userspace driver for Alcatel Speedtouch USB ADSL Adapter

2002-01-04 Thread Robert McQueen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Package name: speedtouch Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Benoit Papillault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> et al. URL : http://speedtouch.sourceforge.net/ License : GPL Description : userspace driver for Alcatel Speedtouch USB AD

Bug#127747: general: libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in application and library

2002-01-04 Thread Olivier Demah
-- System Information Debian Release: 3.0 Architecture: i386 Kernel: Linux idefix 2.4.14-586-ext3 #1 Son Nov 11 22:48:53 CET 2001 i686 Locale: LANG=fr_FR, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR Bcc: Olivier Demah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Package: general Version: N/A; reported 2002-01-04 Severity: grave Justification: renders

Relicensing rules (was: Re: BitKeeper)

2002-01-04 Thread Peter Makholm
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 01:13:13PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >> OK, perhaps the relicensing rule is not non-free; I'm less sure of >> that. > > I don't think it's obvious from a casual reading of the DFSG that such a > requirement is non-free

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-04 Thread Herbert Xu
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And of course a little consistency and uniformity is too much to ask for > in the unix world until it's mandadted by some dead-tree standard for which > you have to pay a few hundred bucks. You can now get POSIX online for free... -- Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 i

Re: EURO and CENT signs in the console keymaps

2002-01-04 Thread Jérôme Marant
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Branden Robinson wrote: > > Well, that need not be the case here. All we need is a gizmo that > > generates console keymaps from XKB description files, and then loads > > them. > > That would be cool, and if I knew anything at all about either of the > map