At Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:28:02 +0200,
Markus Amersdorfer wrote:
I've recently upgraded my Woody-Servers according to the latest
libc6 security update (DSA-282), and it seems that services were _not_
reloaded by the post-install-script!?
More detailed information:
When investigating the
From: Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Bug#189370: acknowledged by developer (irrelevant)
Date: 17 Apr 2003 21:56:00 -0400
You don't understand Debconf. It is a cache, not a registry. I should
be able to rm -rf /var/cache/debconf/config.dat *at any time*. If I do
that, since your
On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
The festival speech syntesizer needs at least one voice file. I'd like to
use a virtual package named festival-voice so that people cannot install
it without one, which is a problem (see the above bug).
Policy requires discussing new virtual
On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, keegan wrote:
Evil army is attacking your country and tries to steal your oil. Your
mission is to waste the invaders, protect the oil and save your mother
land.
Packages will be available soon.
Great game but I ran into a few problems you might want to pass on to the
On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 11:31:21PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
Anthony Towns writes:
Yes; you were. I'm focussing on gcc and perl and such things at the
moment, and as of yet no one else is really able to do anything about this
stuff while I'm busy; hopefully both those things will change
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 06:11:16AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 08:11:52PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
I CCed you the bugreport where i explain everything, but the packages are :
libpgsql-ocaml
ocamlsdl
These are the source packages.
You missed:
ocaml-core |
On Fri, 2003-04-18 at 00:08, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
Of course I can understand that it is possible to destroy
local changes as I wrote in a former email.
Ok, well, policy is quite clear this isn't allowed.
But let me say first that this is not to belittle your work on tetex;
I'm very glad
Hi,
On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 09:45:54AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote:
Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 12:47:38PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Thursday 17 April 2003 02:32, Colin Walters wrote:
On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 20:21, Chris Hanson wrote:
I'd rather fix this
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2003-04-18
Severity: wishlist
Package name: twisted-web
Version: 0.23
Upstream Author: Moshe Zadka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
URL: http://twistedmatrix.com/users/moshez/apt/
License: LGPL
Description: Twisted Web Server
The necessary configuration files and harness to
On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 11:50:27PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
On the gripping hand, there's gcj. Now if the day only had more weeks in it...
Or the hour had more days on it...
mooch
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 01:08:28PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
Former tetex packages provided language.dat as a
conffile so if one changed (manually!) it then one would
be asked whether to replace it or not everytime at upgrading.
Does this file really change so often that this is a
Evil army is attacking your country and tries to steal your oil. Your
mission is to waste the invaders, protect the oil and save your mother
land.
I'm not quite sure if you these joke games of current interest really deserve
to go in the repository.. They usually have no playability nor any
Package: wnpp
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-18
Severity: wishlist
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Version : 0.4.4
Upstream Author : Richard Thrippleton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 22:03, Jérôme Marant wrote:
Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi,
version 0.7 of debbuggtk is now in the Debian repository. This is a
set of tools (bugwatcher, bugviewer and buglister) to help manage Debian
bug reports. This is useful because:
Err, it
From: Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bug#189370: acknowledged by developer (irrelevant)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 09:14:40 +0100
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 01:08:28PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
Former tetex packages provided language.dat as a
conffile so if one changed (manually!)
On Fri, 2003-04-18 at 08:39, Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
Is it possible:
1) to depend to j2sdk1.3 | j2sdk:1.4 (I do not have the 1.4 on my ppc)
I've not tested with 1.3, so depended on 1.4. I can't think of any
problems, so will make the change. Hopefully we will change to a free
jvm soon.
2) to
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 00:50:08 -0700 (PDT),
Paul Eggert [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
This email is following up to a Debian bug report about flex
http://bugs.debian.org/189332, which reports that flex test
http://bugs.debian.org/189332version
2.5.31 breaks Bison 1.875.
From: Manoj
On 18 Apr 2003 03:23:44 -0400,
Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Fri, 2003-04-18 at 00:08, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
Of course I can understand that it is possible to destroy local
changes as I wrote in a former email.
Ok, well, policy is quite clear this isn't allowed.
I
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 06:07:28PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
From: Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 01:08:28PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
Former tetex packages provided language.dat as a
conffile so if one changed (manually!) it then one would
be asked whether
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[POSIX] also says that it is unspecified whether the functions or
macros appear in the C code output of lex, or are accessible only
through the -l l operand of the c compiler.
Yes. This means that if Bison were trying to be portable to all lex
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 07:56:12AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
Maybe Stefano could upload a version to testing-proposed-updates that
drops the these two libraries. It should be ok, since meta-ocaml is an
arch: all package, and don't needs the autobuilders.
Done: meta-ocaml 3.06.1testing
--
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 06:07:28PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
From: Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does this file really change so often that this is a problem? Users
will only be prompted if the distributed version of a conffile has
changed.
It is not problem how often language.dat
Package: wnpp
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Severity: wishlist
* Package name: tuxmathscrable
Version : 2.1
Upstream Author : Name [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* License : GPL
Description : Tux Math Scrab*le is math
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 01:08:28PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
Former tetex packages provided language.dat as a
conffile so if one changed (manually!) it then one would
be asked whether to replace it or not everytime at upgrading.
IMHO it should only ask if the file has changed upstream. I
On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 04:28:40PM +0100, Darren Salt wrote:
[snip]
For instance, what are some good replacements for magicfilter?
apsfilter seems to work well.
Not For Me. Every time I've tried it it's been utter crap.
Magicfilter, OTOH, Just Works.
Just in case anyone out there was
On 16-Apr-03, 19:23 (CDT), Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 07:51:59PM -0300, Andre Luis Lopes wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache show rhdb-admin
Package: rhdb-admin
What is wrong here?
rhdb-admin
echo $?
1
I assume it is
On 16-Apr-03, 18:08 (CDT), Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Debconf is NOT a license to overwrite user's configurations!
You've correctly identified the problem.
I propose a different solution to this problem, which conforms much more
with policy, while still allowing debconf to be
From: Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bug#189370: acknowledged by developer (irrelevant)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:09:38 +0100
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 06:07:28PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
From: Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does this file really change so often that this is a
From: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bug#189370: acknowledged by developer (irrelevant)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 04:21:17 -0500
I have an impression that such Policy understanding prevents sane
advance of packages.
I am sorry, I do think that not preserving user
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:06:07 +0900
GOTO Masanori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi!
I've recently upgraded my Woody-Servers according to the latest
libc6 security update (DSA-282), and it seems that services were
_not_ reloaded by the post-install-script!?
[...]
-
On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 21:56, Colin Walters wrote:
Debian has a long, hard-earned reputation for doing things right. We
shouldn't toss that out the window in a mass of manage /etc/foo.conf?
with debconf prompts.
Perhaps I've been overly strong with the rhetoric. Let me give two
realistic
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 09:28:07AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
On 16-Apr-03, 18:08 (CDT), Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Debconf is NOT a license to overwrite user's configurations!
You've correctly identified the problem.
I propose a different solution to this problem, which
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 03:23:44AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
It breaks Policy to some extent but follows it to some
extent, IMHO.
Former tetex packages provided language.dat as a
conffile so if one changed (manually!) it then one would
be asked whether to replace it or not everytime
On Fri, 2003-04-18 at 10:28, Steve Greenland wrote:
I propose a different solution to this problem, which conforms much more
with policy, while still allowing debconf to be used as much as
possible.
But that's not the solution.
Yep, I agree completely. So let's talk about solutions.
Your mail was a bit misleading, so a clarification will be needed:
* The source packages should build-depend on libpng-dev or libpng12-dev,
but those build-depending on libpng3-dev will still work.
A source package should never build-depend on libpng-dev,
especially if the source package
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:07:28 +0900 (JST),
Atsuhito Kohda [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Does this file really change so often that this is a problem?
Users will only be prompted if the distributed version of a
conffile has changed.
It is not problem how often language.dat changes but that if
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:09:38 +0100,
Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Sorry, I wasn't clear. The current handling of texmf.cnf looks
reasonably sane to me - it's now not too dissimilar to how
/etc/modules.conf is handled. What I was trying to say was that in
the past there were
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:20:04 +0900 (JST),
Atsuhito Kohda [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
From: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:
Bug#189370: acknowledged by developer (irrelevant) Date: Fri, 18
Apr 2003 04:21:17 -0500
I have an impression that such Policy understanding prevents
On 18 Apr 2003 11:15:50 -0400,
Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
There's other use cases too, but if we're not supporting the two
big ones above, we have completely failed. I hope this makes
things clearer. There *is* a problem, and we need to fix it.
I think more than
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:28:57 -0500,
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
If the package maintainers are correctly using the debconf
priorities, and the admin has chosen a debconf priority that
accurately reflects their preferences, why do you care? By
definition, any prompts at
On 18 Apr 2003 11:55:09 -0400,
Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
So, opinions? Yeah, it's kind of gross. But the way things are
now is far worse.
As long as /etc/conffiles/managed, /etc/conffiles/unmanaged,
and /etc/conffiles/default are never themselves unmanaged, this
Colin Walters writes:
One might be to create a third class of configuration files; let's call
them managed configuration files.
Is the choice to be up to the maintainer? If so, I'm afraid that over time
almost all configfiles would become managed, as that would be the easy way
for maintainers.
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 12:20:04AM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
From: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bug#189370: acknowledged by developer (irrelevant)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 04:21:17 -0500
I have an impression that such Policy understanding prevents sane
advance of
On Fri Apr 18, 11:15am -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
Perhaps I've been overly strong with the rhetoric. Let me give two
realistic scenarios where this manage foo with debconf? fails.
I like your two real-world examples, and I'd like to present a third.
3) Impatient but advanced user
Somebody
Apologies for starting a new thread, I accidentally replied to Colin
privately, and instead of re-writing the email, I simply forwarded it.
Bad clal :)
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:04:25 -0500,
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Colin Walters writes:
One might be to create a third class of configuration files; let's
call them managed configuration files.
Is the choice to be up to the maintainer? If so, I'm afraid that
over time almost
On Fri, 2003-04-18 at 15:04, John Hasler wrote:
Colin Walters writes:
One might be to create a third class of configuration files; let's call
them managed configuration files.
Is the choice to be up to the maintainer? If so, I'm afraid that over time
almost all configfiles would become
On Fri, 2003-04-18 at 13:54, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On 18 Apr 2003 11:55:09 -0400,
Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
So, opinions? Yeah, it's kind of gross. But the way things are
now is far worse.
As long as /etc/conffiles/managed, /etc/conffiles/unmanaged,
and
On Fri, 2003-04-18 at 15:16, David B Harris wrote:
On Fri Apr 18, 11:15am -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
Perhaps I've been overly strong with the rhetoric. Let me give two
realistic scenarios where this manage foo with debconf? fails.
I like your two real-world examples, and I'd like to
Would it already be time for a long term solution that no doubt has been
discussed sometimes in the past:
looking at configuration files in /etc and ~/.*, most of them are actually
very simple. Instead of treating them as flat files with arbitrary content
and *generating* the managed ones from
3) Impatient but advanced user
Somebody who dislikes being asked repeatedly whether or not a
conffile can be overwritten. This user has tested xserver-xfree86's
debconf interface, and has taken the time to understand how
xserver-xfree86's postinst generates the configuration file
Enough already.
Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong
in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining
it.
Stop slapping incorrect uses of debconf in everywhere. Feel free to run
any package using debconf by me before you upload it, or take
On Fri Apr 18, 12:54pm -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On 18 Apr 2003 11:55:09 -0400,
Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
So, opinions? Yeah, it's kind of gross. But the way things are
now is far worse.
As long as /etc/conffiles/managed, /etc/conffiles/unmanaged,
and
On Fri Apr 18, 05:28pm -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
1) Package has a configuration file which can (optionally) be
managed
debconf/postinst
This is already the way things are now; a package doesn't have to do
anything special to create configuration files in its postinst.
Yeah, I was
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 05:06:15PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
On Fri, 2003-04-18 at 13:54, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
If we standardize on a easy to interpret format for these
files, I'll add the logic to ucf to handle these directives. (how
about a configuration file path per line for
On Fri Apr 18, 07:06pm -0400, David B Harris wrote:
I'm thinking in the may I upgrade your configuration file? question,
have the options I mentioned before (no, yes, always-no).
How's that sound? It's unobtrusive, only adding a third option. We
ensure that /etc/conffiles/* is
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:36:01 -0500 (CDT),
J Brown (Ender/Amigo) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
3) Impatient but advanced user
Somebody who dislikes being asked repeatedly whether or not a
conffile can be overwritten. This user has tested
xserver-xfree86's debconf interface, and has taken the
On Fri Apr 18, 06:37pm -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
If you use ucf like mechanisms, and you acpet the first
debconf generated file, then you will never be asked to over write
your file -- since the md5sum of the installed file shall match the
previous maintainer version. Bingo, we
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 09:33:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Package: amavisd-new
Version: 20021227p2-5
Severity: grave
Grave would seem to be a bit of an overkill? amavisd-new still works OK
for the majority of users...
when
- amavis-ng is installed (I used version 0.1.6.2-1),
Hello,
I'd like to solicit opinions about what to do with
imlib-linked-against-libpng3.
Until August 2002, the Debian imlib packages were linked with libpng2.
Even after libpng3 was released in early 2002, imlib remained linked
with the older libpng2. This was done to retain the ABI of imlib,
On Sat Apr 19, 10:22am +1000, Brian May wrote:
Any ideas?
Share an initscript between them, if that's possible?
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:03:04 -0400,
David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Fri Apr 18, 06:37pm -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
If you use ucf like mechanisms, and you acpet the first debconf
generated file, then you will never be asked to over write your
file -- since the md5sum of
Hi Steve,
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 08:43:45PM -0400, Steve M. Robbins wrote:
I no longer believe that upstream will release any new versions of
imlib and I plan to ask that imlib2 be removed from the archive. I
don't want to change the current imlib1 linkage since imlib is pretty
much
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:30:34 -0400,
David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Gar. We'd still need always-yes to deal with the case I
raised. Don't like it, but ...
I think that the /etc/conffiles/* files preclude any need for
these quad questions.
manoj
--
(null cookie;
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:06:34 -0400,
David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
if [[ $always_yes = true ]]; then
grep -v '^/etc/foo/bar$' /etc/conffiles/managed $tempfile
cp $tempfile /etc/conffiles/managed if ! grep
'^/etc/foo/bar$' /etc/conffiles/unmanaged; then
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2003-04-19
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: python-crack
Version : 0.2
Upstream Author : Domenico Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://www.nongnu.org/python-crack
* License : GPL
Description : Python bindings
On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 15:19, Thomas Hood wrote:
Unfortunately you seem to be wrong, at least with regard to
bind version 1:8.3.4-4.
Ah. That'd explain it. I'm using bind9.
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 10:28:57AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
If the package maintainers are correctly using the debconf priorities,
and the admin has chosen a debconf priority that accurately reflects
their preferences, why do you care? By definition, any prompts at
priority medium or
Why not simply make a imlib1p that conflicts with old imlib1 and rebuild
the remaining 11 sources that still use imlib1 with old libpng2? There
are fewer that would cause trouble in that batch, afaict only: chameleon,
ebview, endeavour, pixelize, vertex.
chameleon - dead upstream. (no website
On Mon, 2003-04-14 at 15:18, Barak Pearlmutter wrote:
Years ago, NeXT modified GCC and the rest of the GNU tools to allow
them to produce multi-architecture binaries, so that a single binary
executable could run on both 68k and i386 platforms.
I don't think that was with ELF. Was it Mach-O?
By the way RedHat does it is as follows:
imlib-1.9.13-12.i386.rpm
/usr/lib
libgdk_imlib.so.1
libgdk_imlib.so.1.9.13
libimlib-bmp.so
libimlib-gif.so
libimlib-jpeg.so
libimlib-png.so
libimlib-ppm.so
libimlib-ps.so
libImlib.so.11
libImlib.so.11.0.0
libimlib-tiff.so
libimlib-xpm.so
ldd
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