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2003-04-19 Thread Frédéric Bothamy
* Frédéric Bothamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-04-18 15:47] : [...] J'ai validé les modifications dans le CVS Debian hier soir et la traduction sera présente dans le prochain paquet Debian developers-reference-fr 3.3.2. Elle sera également disponible sur le site Debian à l'adresse suivante :

Re: imlib-linked-with-libpng3

2003-04-19 Thread Chris Cheney
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 08:43:45PM -0400, Steve M. Robbins wrote: Imlib is more-or-less dormant upstream. However, in late August, I was under the impression that upstream imlib was going to release a new version (with new SONAME) that would be linked with libpng3. In I forgot to comment on

my computer

2003-04-19 Thread JmGll3
trying to fix my desktop setting on my computer

Re: why do we care about configuration files?

2003-04-19 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Is it just me, or would this fix the problem simply: 1) If a postinst generates a configuration file with debconf, it must place the md5sum of the generated configuration file in /var 2) A package should try and parse the current configuration file back into debconf

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Colin Walters
Package: binutils On Fri, 2003-04-18 at 19:14, Joey Hess wrote: Enough already. Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining it. Amen. For example, we really need to kill that kernel link

Re: imlib-linked-with-libpng3

2003-04-19 Thread Yu Guanghui
Hi Chinput can use any of libpng2 or libpng3, it just need a rebuild. -- Yu Guanghui ygh at dlut.edu.cn Network Center Dalian University of Technology, China Steve M. Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I'd like to solicit opinions about what to do with imlib-linked-against-libpng3.

ITP: StarDict-2.0.0, an English-Chinese/Chinese-English dictionary

2003-04-19 Thread Anthony Fok
Dear all, StarDict-2.0.0-pre2 has been packaged and uploaded to Debian's incoming. StarDict 2 is a GNOME-based international dictionary, currently with English-Chinese/Chinese-English data included. It is a major rewrite by HU Zheng (http://stardict.cosoft.org.cn/) based on the an earlier

Re: why do we care about configuration files?

2003-04-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 19 Apr 2003 00:07:54 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is it just me, or would this fix the problem simply: 1) If a postinst generates a configuration file with debconf, it must place the md5sum of the generated configuration file in /var 2) A package

Re: Bug#189566: amavisd-new: bad interaction with package amavis-ng

2003-04-19 Thread Ernst Kloppenburg
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 10:22:45 +1000, Brian May wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 09:33:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: amavisd-new Version: 20021227p2-5 Severity: grave Grave would seem to be a bit of an overkill? amavisd-new still works OK for the majority of users...

foo has reached testing, removing versioned build-depends?

2003-04-19 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Hi, [ obDebianDevel: just in case this has become popular beleif or something like that ] from menu's 2.1.7-3 changelog: * debiandoc-sgml 1.1.75 has reached testing so remove the versionned Build-Depends. what gave you the idea that because debiandoc-sgml 1.1.75 is now in testing,

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Denis Barbier
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 07:14:19PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Enough already. Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining it. Stop slapping incorrect uses of debconf in everywhere. Feel free to

Re: bad postinst in kernel-images

2003-04-19 Thread Marcel Kolaja
To debian-devel: Because it is a long time, we have been discussing this bug here, and the thread is broken, I remark, we are talking about http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200302/msg00349.html. Please, let's return to the problem and let's try to solve it. On Fri, Apr 11,

Re: bad postinst in kernel-images

2003-04-19 Thread Keith Owens
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:07:11 +0200, Marcel Kolaja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To debian-devel: Because it is a long time, we have been discussing this bug here, and the thread is broken, I remark, we are talking about http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200302/msg00349.html.

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Steve Kowalik
At 7:22 pm, Saturday, April 19 2003, Denis Barbier mumbled: I do not understand exactly what is good and bad use of debconf. For instance all questions asked by the debconf package have good default values, so there is no reason to prompt user, a configuration file is enough. So what am I

Re: 2000 packages still waiting to enter testing, 1500 over age

2003-04-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 06:11:16AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 08:11:52PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: I CCed you the bugreport where i explain everything, but the packages are : libpgsql-ocaml ocamlsdl These are the source packages. You missed: ocaml-core |

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Matt Ryan
Enough already. Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining it. Stop slapping incorrect uses of debconf in everywhere. Feel free to run any package using debconf by me before you upload it, or take

Re: stop the manage with debconf madness

2003-04-19 Thread Matt Ryan
Personally I use the ask-about-overwrite question in debconf because the last time this thread came up the only sensible solution was put forward in the attached email. Now, I'm all for a better solution when it is determined what that is, *but* I'm not for a witch hunt based on what was seen to

Re: foo has reached testing, removing versioned build-depends?

2003-04-19 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 10:44:52AM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: Hi, [ obDebianDevel: just in case this has become popular beleif or something like that ] from menu's 2.1.7-3 changelog: * debiandoc-sgml 1.1.75 has reached testing so remove the versionned Build-Depends.

New project proposal: debian-lex

2003-04-19 Thread Jeremy Malcolm
I am interested in coordinating a new sub-project called Debian-Lex, which would be Debian for Lawyers, akin to the Debian-Med, Debian-Jr and DebianEdu projects. Hopefully, these sub-projects will evolve into Bdale's idea of flavours (flavors, but I'm Australian) of Debian. I am a lawyer and

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Joey Hess
Denis Barbier wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 07:14:19PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Enough already. Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining it. Stop slapping incorrect uses of

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 02:08:27PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: Joey Hess wrote: Enough already. Folks, if you don't stop abusing debconf with useless notes that belong in README.Debian and config file overwriting, I will stop maintaining it. Stop slapping incorrect uses of debconf in

Re: libc6 (security) update does not restart system-services?

2003-04-19 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:24:17 +0200, Markus Amersdorfer wrote: On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:06:07 +0900 GOTO Masanori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst checks for $1 == configure (which is the case when updating, isn't it?). If true it afterwards checks if

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Kowalik wrote: Well, not all use of debconf is bad. For example, libnet-perl is a terrible misuse of debconf, *but* it can be remedied by dropping the priority of the questions from medium to low. At least libnet-perl is actually asking questions and preserving some (though not all) user

Re: foo has reached testing, removing versioned build-depends?

2003-04-19 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 03:43:56PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 10:44:52AM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: [ obDebianDevel: just in case this has become popular beleif or something like that ] from menu's 2.1.7-3 changelog: * debiandoc-sgml 1.1.75

Re: New project proposal: debian-lex

2003-04-19 Thread Andreas Tille
On 19 Apr 2003, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: I am interested in coordinating a new sub-project called Debian-Lex, Could you please explain the naming lex for non English speakers? In general I really like your idea because I think those internal projects are an important way to fit the needs of our

Re: libc6 (security) update does not restart system-services?

2003-04-19 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:05:49AM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote: So everytime we have to restart all binaries which use a library involving security-problem. In additionm this problem affects not only debian packages, but user-built binaries. Well, this is why it is most often described in the

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Andre Luis Lopes
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 03:46:32PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: snip Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the last Debian Conference if you like. /snip Could you (or someone else) give me a

debconf review of cvsd (was Re: stop abusing debconf already)

2003-04-19 Thread Joey Hess
Arthur de Jong wrote: Ok, could you review my cvsd package for me for correct debconf usage and tell me what you do and don't like? Thanks for taking advantage of that offer. (So far you're the only one.) I am ccing this to -devel just because. All of the debconf questions are pretty well

plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Hans Reiser
Please explain your reasons for removing the credits and attributions from the reiserfs utilities in violation of our copyright. You'll note that ReiserFS anticipated the GNU GPL V3 by including clauses that forbid removal of credits in its license, and for a long time I have been telling

Re: debconf review of cvsd (was Re: stop abusing debconf already)

2003-04-19 Thread Joey Hess
One more thing that I didn't notice until purging the package. In the purge question, you refer to selecting yes and answering no. Don't do that, some debconf frontends do not use yes or no; the user might be staring at a check box when they see that text. Just ask the question, something like

Re: stop the manage with debconf madness

2003-04-19 Thread Steve Greenland
On 18-Apr-03, 10:28 (CDT), Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the package maintainers are correctly using the debconf priorities, and the admin has chosen a debconf priority that accurately reflects their preferences, why do you care? By definition, any prompts at priority medium or

Re: stop the manage with debconf madness

2003-04-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:07:04 +0100, Matt Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Personally I use the ask-about-overwrite question in debconf because the last time this thread came up the only sensible solution was put forward in the attached email. Now, I'm all for a better solution when it is

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Steve Greenland
On 19-Apr-03, 06:47 (CDT), Steve Kowalik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 7:22 pm, Saturday, April 19 2003, Denis Barbier mumbled: I do not understand exactly what is good and bad use of debconf. For instance all questions asked by the debconf package have good default values, so there is no

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Joey Hess
Andre Luis Lopes wrote: Could you (or someone else) give me a hint on where one could find Joey's talk ? I've already tried googling for it and looking at [1] but couldn't find it. Hmm, I don't have it online that I know of, it was mostly extemporaneous anyway. (Here, I've linked the slides

Re: New project proposal: debian-lex

2003-04-19 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 05:57:42PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On 19 Apr 2003, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: I am interested in coordinating a new sub-project called Debian-Lex, Could you please explain the naming lex for non English speakers? s/English/Latin/ cheers, Michael

Re: New project proposal: debian-lex

2003-04-19 Thread Christian Surchi
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 05:57:42PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: I am interested in coordinating a new sub-project called Debian-Lex, Could you please explain the naming lex for non English speakers? It's latin, not english. :-) It means law. -- Christian Surchi, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread David B Harris
On Sat Apr 19, 11:18am -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 19-Apr-03, 06:47 (CDT), Steve Kowalik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 7:22 pm, Saturday, April 19 2003, Denis Barbier mumbled: I do not understand exactly what is good and bad use of debconf. For instance all questions asked by the

Re: New project proposal: debian-lex

2003-04-19 Thread David Goodenough
On Saturday 19 April 2003 17:23, Christian Surchi wrote: On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 05:57:42PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: I am interested in coordinating a new sub-project called Debian-Lex, Could you please explain the naming lex for non English speakers? It's latin, not english. :-) It

Re: libc6 (security) update does not restart system-services?

2003-04-19 Thread Bob Proulx
Bernd Eckenfels wrote: GOTO Masanori wrote: So everytime we have to restart all binaries which use a library involving security-problem. In additionm this problem affects not only debian packages, but user-built binaries. Well, this is why it is most often described in the security

Bug#189689: ITP: libapache-mod-auth-radius -- Apache module for RADIUS authentication

2003-04-19 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-19 Severity: wishlist * Package name: libapache-mod-auth-radius Version : 1.5.7 Upstream Author : Alan DeKok [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : ftp://ftp.freeradius.org/pub/radius/ * License : Apache Software License

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 08:07:03PM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote: Please explain your reasons for removing the credits and attributions from the reiserfs utilities in violation of our copyright. You'll note that ReiserFS anticipated the GNU GPL V3 by including clauses that forbid removal of

Re: New project proposal: debian-lex

2003-04-19 Thread Andreas Barth
* David Goodenough ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030419 19:20]: [debian-lex] In England there is a move to remove all the Latin and obscure language from the Law, so I would suggest that the project should be called Debian-law not Debian-lex. lex is the better word, as it is not only known in

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Glenn McGrath
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:07:03 +0400 Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'll note that ReiserFS anticipated the GNU GPL V3 by including clauses that forbid removal of credits in its license, and for a long time I have been telling Stallman that he needs to get V3 of the GPL out the door.

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Andre Luis Lopes
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 12:36:04PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Andre Luis Lopes wrote: Could you (or someone else) give me a hint on where one could find Joey's talk ? I've already tried googling for it and looking at [1] but couldn't find it. Hmm, I don't have it online that I know of, it

Re: New project proposal: debian-lex

2003-04-19 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 06:23:13PM +0200, Christian Surchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 05:57:42PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: I am interested in coordinating a new sub-project called Debian-Lex, Could you please explain the naming lex for non English

Re: stop the manage with debconf madness

2003-04-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 11:11:59AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 18-Apr-03, 10:28 (CDT), Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the package maintainers are correctly using the debconf priorities, and the admin has chosen a debconf priority that accurately reflects their preferences,

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Marcel Weber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi First I have to say, that I even did not realize, that the credits had been removed. I think Hans has a good point. The inclusion of credits is something that should be respected. Free software does not mean that you can do what you want with a

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Florian Weimer
Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You'll note that ReiserFS anticipated the GNU GPL V3 by including clauses that forbid removal of credits in its license, and for a long time I have been telling Stallman that he needs to get V3 of the GPL out the door. Oh, I think it's natural to assume

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Marcel Weber wrote: I think Hans has a good point. The inclusion of credits is something that should be respected. Free software does not mean that you can do what you want with a piece of code, but that you're allowed to use, modify and redistribute it freely, respecting it's license. IMHO a)

Re: New project proposal: debian-lex

2003-04-19 Thread Jarno Elonen
In England there is a move to remove all the Latin and obscure language from the Law, so I would suggest that the project should be called Debian-law not Debian-lex. lex is the better word, as it is not only known in English, but also in most other (roman) Languages for law. The first

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Jarno Elonen
I'd hardly call it plagiarism. Your copyright is, by will of our own policy and to abide by authors wishes, distributed with the tools in /usr/share/doc/pkg/copyright. Ah.. I guess Hans is referring to the author list in README? The package maintainer probably looked at COPYING (contains GPL,

re:whats up???

2003-04-19 Thread Lou Dog
whats up with you? havent talked to you in awhile, same thing here pretty much. I am updating some info on the website and need your help. Can you hook me up with some info about your local skateshop and or skatepark? We are still adding skateparks to the list so if yours isnt in there let

Re: imlib-linked-with-libpng3

2003-04-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 10:10:54PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: Why not simply make a imlib1p that conflicts with old imlib1 and rebuild the remaining 11 sources that still use imlib1 with old libpng2? There are fewer that would cause trouble in that batch, afaict only: chameleon, ebview,

Proposed handling of generated configuration files (Re: stop the manage with debconf madness)

2003-04-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 02:07:04PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: Personally I use the ask-about-overwrite question in debconf because the last time this thread came up the only sensible solution was put forward in the attached email. Now, I'm all for a better solution when it is determined what

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Travis Crump
Marcel Weber wrote: Hans, I hope that the removal of these credits was a mistake and that they're going to be included in future releases of testing. ReiserFS is a really fine piece of software and anyone who helped with it's development should have the right to be credited if he or she wants

Re: New project proposal: debian-lex

2003-04-19 Thread Sami Haahtinen
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 07:24:55PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * David Goodenough ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030419 19:20]: [debian-lex] In England there is a move to remove all the Latin and obscure language from the Law, so I would suggest that the project should be called Debian-law not

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 12:36:04PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Andre Luis Lopes wrote: Could you (or someone else) give me a hint on where one could find Joey's talk ? I've already tried googling for it and looking at [1] but couldn't find it. Hmm, I don't have it online that I know of, it

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Matt Ryan
Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the last Debian Conference if you like. I realise he has an opinion on how things should be done. Depending on your own viewpoint this may be more

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Matt Ryan
Now I hope you stop with your trolling and consider speaking respectfully to us. I am pretty sure that if you emailed the maintainer of the package and pointed out the facts to him, he would revert the change. Dude, You really need to calm down. Twice now recently you have opened your

Re: stop the manage with debconf madness

2003-04-19 Thread Matt Ryan
Secondly, this isnot a witch hunt. What is being done is that a policy violation in older practice is being pointed out. Alternatives are being discussed; a witch hunt would have involved mass RC bug filings. The TEX discussion is definitely in witchunt territory. Maintainers (on the

Re: New project proposal: debian-lex

2003-04-19 Thread Andreas Barth
* Jarno Elonen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030419 21:05]: lex is the better word, as it is not only known in English, but also in most other (roman) Languages for law. The first things lex brings in my mind are lexicon and parser generators like 'flex'. Well, that's for you as an computer

Re: New project proposal: debian-lex

2003-04-19 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Sami Haahtinen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: lex is the better word, as it is not only known in English, but also in most other (roman) Languages for law. Oh right, in finland there is a site finlex.fi, which is ofcouse obviously a site that contains the finnish law. This is the first time i've

Status of mICQ code audit

2003-04-19 Thread Martin Loschwitz
Hello Martin and Robert, can you please inform the list and me about the current status of the mICQ code audit you two wanted to do? It's been a while and I didn't hear anything further from you since then. However, since it is my principle to finish the things I've started, i'm writing this

Re: Proposed handling of generated configuration files (Re: stop the manage with debconf madness)

2003-04-19 Thread Tore Anderson
* Matt Zimmerman There was a more recent discussion about the same idea. A summary of the goals: - Don't try to parse every program's configuration file format - Notice that a non-conffile, autogenerated configuration file has been modified by the user, and don't lose their

Re: why do we care about configuration files?

2003-04-19 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 02:42, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Or, simply generate the file using debconf or whatever, and call ucf directly; then ucf handles storing the md5sum and comparing it for you seamlessly. /me uses staying up too late as an excuse for that one... signature.asc

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Ben Collins
all that was removed was *code* that gets compiled. If the maintainer cannot arbitrarily change any code he wants, then it is not clear that the program is DFSG-free. Amen. Making part of the code immutable is not what I call free software. What if I want to use parts of the code and I

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 08:24:21PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: Now I hope you stop with your trolling and consider speaking respectfully to us. I am pretty sure that if you emailed the maintainer of the package and pointed out the facts to him, he would revert the change. Dude, You

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Lukas Geyer
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You'll note that ReiserFS anticipated the GNU GPL V3 by including clauses that forbid removal of credits in its license, and for a long time I have been telling Stallman that he needs to get V3 of the GPL

Re: Proposed handling of generated configuration files (Re: stop the manage with debconf madness)

2003-04-19 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 15:41, Tore Anderson wrote: cat _eof /usr/share/fnord/managed-conffiles/fnord.cf /var signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 11:13:59PM +0200, Anders Widman wrote: all that was removed was *code* that gets compiled. If the maintainer cannot arbitrarily change any code he wants, then it is not clear that the program is DFSG-free. Amen. Making part of the code immutable is not what I

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 08:17:16PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: Colin Watson wrote: Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the last Debian Conference if you like. I realise he has an opinion on

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Anders Widman
all that was removed was *code* that gets compiled. If the maintainer cannot arbitrarily change any code he wants, then it is not clear that the program is DFSG-free. Amen. Making part of the code immutable is not what I call free software. What if I want to use parts of the code and I

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Colin Walters
On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 15:17, Matt Ryan wrote: Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the last Debian Conference if you like. I realise he has an opinion on how things should be done.

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 08:17:16PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: Or maybe realize that Joey might perhaps know what he's talking about with regard to debconf ... you could go find the text of his talk at the last Debian Conference if you like. I realise he has an opinion on how things should be

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Ben Collins [Sat, Apr 19 2003, 05:09:58PM]: Wow.. what an reaction :). Hans's original message was that the credits were not included with the distributed files, nothing else. Or am I completely mistaken? Sorry, I had read into some other peoples comments

ITA: gap4 -- computer algebra system for groups + related packages

2003-04-19 Thread petervr
retitle 188800 ITA: gap4 -- computer algebra system retitle 188803 ITA: gap4-doc-dvi -- DVI-Docu files for GAP4 retitle 188801 ITA: gap4-doc-html -- HTML-Documentation for GAP4 retitle 188798 ITA: gap4-doc-ps -- Postscript files for GAP4 retitle 188802 ITA: gap4-gdat -- Group data libraries for

Re: Proposed handling of generated configuration files (Re: stop the manage with debconf madness)

2003-04-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 09:41:58PM +0200, Tore Anderson wrote: Hey, you just described how how ucf can be used. I am aware of ucf. I described some things that ucf does, and some things that it does not. Lo and behold! We've just achieved your goals, using tools already in the

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 09:40:07PM +0300, Jarno Elonen wrote: Additionally, it might be a good idea to provide a shoreter list of authors in addition to the detailed one for easier copying to 'standard copyright files' like 'copying' in Debian. GNU folks generally use a Credits file

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Andreas Dilger
On Apr 19, 2003 16:55 -0400, Ben Collins wrote: all that was removed was *code* that gets compiled. If the maintainer cannot arbitrarily change any code he wants, then it is not clear that the program is DFSG-free. Amen. Making part of the code immutable is not what I call free

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 11:54:36PM +0200, Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: #include hallo.h I cannot see what exactly he was talking about. The only serios thing that has been removed in the Debian package is his spam (for SuSEMP3.com) from the mkreiserfs executable code. I

Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-19 Thread Nikolai Prokoschenko
Hello, I really don't know how to express what I want to say :) It has come to my mind a few days ago when the Vera fonts were released to public. My problem was: everybody was acting like mad, screaming at last, some good fonts for linux!, whereas, as far as I remember, these fonts lacks many

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 11:13:59PM +0200, Anders Widman wrote: Wow.. what an reaction :). Hans's original message was that the credits were not included with the distributed files, nothing else. Or am I completely mistaken? Who knows. The original message was an non-specific rant. Mike

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Chris Cheney
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 04:25:57PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: On Apr 19, 2003 16:55 -0400, Ben Collins wrote: all that was removed was *code* that gets compiled. If the maintainer cannot arbitrarily change any code he wants, then it is not clear that the program is DFSG-free.

Re: Proposed handling of generated configuration files (Re: stop the manage with debconf madness)

2003-04-19 Thread Tore Anderson
* Matt Zimmerman Did you read my sample configuration scenario (xserver-xfree86), or the threads that I referenced? They explain in more detail. I did, and I can't see why ucf can't be done for this purpose, too; As I said, I am suggesting we mimick the conffile mechanism. conffiles

Re: Proposed handling of generated configuration files (Re: stop the manage with debconf madness)

2003-04-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 01:05:18AM +0200, Tore Anderson wrote: As far as I know, ucf is created exactly for this purpose; to mimic dpkg's conffile handing. I assume you want to know if the configuration file is unmodified prior to asking all the debconf questions, and making use of

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op za 19-04-2003, om 22:51 schreef Lukas Geyer: the issue seems to be the fix of #152547. If we are not allowed to remove a screenful of advertising from the output of a program, then this unduly restricts the freedom to distribute modified versions. Uhm. From the GPL, section 2: c) If

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:26:04AM +0200, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: Thank you for your time, and you want to tell me I'm paranoid, don't bother, it is not worth your time :) Better tell me what I might have missed in the observing the subject. A point. What *is* yours? -- .''`. **

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 04:25:57PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: I'm sure all the FSF/Debian folks would be thrilled if someone changed the code in [x]emacs to not output anything about the GPL at startup, or if vim didn't include any info about helping Ugandan orphans. I'm not saying that

Re: bad postinst in kernel-images

2003-04-19 Thread Brian May
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 08:34:06PM +1000, Keith Owens wrote: binutils was changed around July 15 2002. Unfortunately the binutils Changelog does not mention the change, nor does it say which releases of binutils were issued around that time. Does upgrading to modutils = 2.4.17 fix your

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Joey Hess
Andre Luis Lopes wrote: Hmm, future plans really seems to be quite interesting. Is there a mailing list dedicated to discussing debconf ideas and implementation I could subscribe to ? I saw that there's a link to an ancient Config mailing list at kitenet, but it seems not to be active

Re: Proposed handling of generated configuration files (Re: stop the manage with debconf madness)

2003-04-19 Thread Brian May
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 03:14:34PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: - Provide 3-way merge functionality to incorporate changes without losing modifications in the common case (I hear this is coming for conffiles as well) Great! Actually what I would like (and is similar in ways to the above)

Re: Do we need policy changes?

2003-04-19 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Andrew Suffield [Sun, Apr 20 2003, 12:29:49AM]: On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:26:04AM +0200, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote: Thank you for your time, and you want to tell me I'm paranoid, don't bother, it is not worth your time :) Better tell me what I might have missed in the

Re: bad postinst in kernel-images

2003-04-19 Thread Keith Owens
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:54:53 +1000, Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: modutils = 2.4.17 is not available for woody. You have two options: 2.4.15 for stable or 2.4.21 for unstable. This means you would have to recompile 2.4.21. Recompiling is easy, I have a version at

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 01:24:09AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op za 19-04-2003, om 22:51 schreef Lukas Geyer: the issue seems to be the fix of #152547. If we are not allowed to remove a screenful of advertising from the output of a program, then this unduly restricts the freedom to

Re: Bug#189566: amavisd-new: bad interaction with package amavis-ng

2003-04-19 Thread Brian May
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 08:51:51PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: Share an initscript between them, if that's possible? No, that would cause more problems trying to rename the existing amavisd-new conffile. On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 09:06:58AM +0200, Ernst Kloppenburg wrote: yes. So maybe one of

Re: Proposed handling of generated configuration files (Re: stop the manage with debconf madness)

2003-04-19 Thread Tore Anderson
* Matt Zimmerman As was explained in detail, in order to do anything useful with that information, it is necessary to be able to show the user the proposed changes to the configuration file. It is completely unhelpful to say: You have modified this configuration file, and it has also

Re: foo has reached testing, removing versioned build-depends?

2003-04-19 Thread Brian May
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 03:50:23PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: I've read the changelog and the bug report closed by that earlier change, and removing the version still makes no sense. If earlier versions of debiandoc-sgml produce incorrect output, as reported, then the versioned build-dep

Re: Proposed handling of generated configuration files (Re: stop the manage with debconf madness)

2003-04-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 02:20:00AM +0200, Tore Anderson wrote: * Matt Zimmerman As was explained in detail, in order to do anything useful with that information, it is necessary to be able to show the user the proposed changes to the configuration file. It is completely unhelpful to

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Marcel Weber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Sonntag, 20.04.03, um 01:06 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Chris Cheney: First of all emacs is pure bloat so who cares what it does... Vim has one line about Ugandan orphans at startup, until now I didn't even notice it was there. If had been pages of

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 08:07:03PM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote: Please explain your reasons for removing the credits and attributions from the reiserfs utilities in violation of our copyright. It appears that, in all likelihood, the credits were inadvertently omitted, and not intentionally

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