Re: developers Japanese and Chinese names' original characters

2003-10-05 Thread Dan Jacobson
> Chinese names from different regions are romanized using > incompatible schemes, sometimes even *inconsistent* schemes. Only > mainland Chinese use a consistent scheme (Pinyin). Here in Taiwan they have placed a nut in charge of this. He will be gone after the Mar. 2004 election though. http:

Kernel source 2.4.22 and ipvs problems

2003-10-05 Thread Bao C. Ha
Hello all, I am trying to patch the kernel 2.4.22 and got into troubles. It seems that the Debian kernel has been patched to do away the pmtu field of the struct dst_entry (include/net/dst.h). Any sugegstions on how to get it working again. The last working Debian kernel with IPVS is 2.4.20.

Re: /usr/doc symlinks

2003-10-05 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 09:50:41AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > Does anyone have a good estimation about the number of packages which > currently do this? (That is, assume *blindly* that /usr/doc exists). I have 687 packages on my system and 35 of them have symlinks in /usr/doc. If the number on

Re: Looking for a co-maintainer for adduser

2003-10-05 Thread steve
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 05:18:45PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Saying "well-written" is cheating. Any well written program is always > good by definition or it is not be well written. But what about > poorly written cruft? Almost all languages are easy to write badly. > But some are easier than

Re: Bug#214248: info in unstable cannot find documentation

2003-10-05 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 07:26:31PM +0200, Jeffrey Eugene Crawford wrote: > > Package: heimdal-docs > > Version: 0.6-3 > > Severity: important > > File: heimdal-doc > > Tags: sid > > > > After installing this package I could not read the info > > documentatio

Re: Bug#214248: info in unstable cannot find documentation

2003-10-05 Thread Brian May
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 07:26:31PM +0200, Jeffrey Eugene Crawford wrote: > Package: heimdal-docs > Version: 0.6-3 > Severity: important > File: heimdal-doc > Tags: sid > > After installing this package I could not read the info documentation even > when > trying to read it with info's "-f" option

Re: Ideas about allowing Co-maintainer

2003-10-05 Thread David B Harris
On 05 Oct 2003 13:13:55 +0200 Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is no point for me working on those bugs if the patches will > just rod in the bts or be thrown out so as not to differ from > upstream. As I said before I won't work on the debian package again > without an assur

Re: Looking for a co-maintainer for adduser

2003-10-05 Thread Bob Proulx
Marc Haber wrote: > Colin Watson wrote: > >I'd rather that the tools in Debian base were written in a high-level > >language where available. Take away Perl and you've got only shell, C, > >and C++ left; I don't think that's going to improve security in > >practice. > > Well-written C++ using well

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-10-05 Thread Herbert Xu
Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Herbert Xu > > | Very few people really need cramfs if they're building custom kernels. > | This is because initrd only makes sense when you're building for a > | large number of machines. If you're building a custom kernel, just > | compile in all

Re: Discussion - Free the Debian Open Use logo

2003-10-05 Thread Simon Law
M-F-T set to debian-project. On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 06:23:40PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 05:35:14PM -0400, Simon Law wrote: > > The old Open Use logo was not DFSG-free, so we really shouldn't be > > shipping it in main. > > Where are we shipping it in main? And even if

Re: Debian and the GNU Free documentation license

2003-10-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, It's been a few days since my last message. I have added a print style sheet, so one can use a free Browser (mozilla) to print the position statement. I have added a couple of new examples, an inchoate software documentation freedoms list, and I have started an outline of the form

Re: Format of Release file and tools to create

2003-10-05 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi, On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 08:39:06PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > where can I find the "official" definition for the Release > file (http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/Release), > e.g. a BNF or an informal description? > > Which is the tool (of choice) to create the files? > > Ho

Re: Proposal - Free the Debian Open Use logo

2003-10-05 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 12:07:05PM -0400, Simon Law wrote: > Debian Open Use Logo License > > Copyright (c) 1999 Software in the Public Interest > -This logo or a modified version may be used by anyone to refer to the > -Debian project, but does not indicate endorsement by the project. > +This l

Re: Looking for a co-maintainer for adduser

2003-10-05 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 01:01:52AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > Well-written C++ using well tested class libraries tend to do a pretty > good job, security-wise. I often find that well written code does a good job. -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever."

Re: On package description quality

2003-10-05 Thread Josef Spillner
On Sunday 05 October 2003 17:10, Tom wrote: > Whether or not an app is GTK1, GTK2, Tcl/Tk, or QT3 makes a big > difference to this. So yes, the library doesn't matter, but the core > feature set is kinda relevant. Maybe you could find another way to > describe it. That's what package tags can be

Re: Looking for a co-maintainer for adduser

2003-10-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:54:50 +0100, Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'd rather that the tools in Debian base were written in a high-level >language where available. Take away Perl and you've got only shell, C, >and C++ left; I don't think that's going to improve security in >practice. Well

Status of ruby transition in testing

2003-10-05 Thread Steve Langasek
The following is a summary of the state of the ruby 1.6 -> 1.8 transition currently in progress. For the most part, this is a soft transition, with individual packages making the jump to testing as they become ready, so a full transition is by no means mandatory for sarge. However, a few of the p

Re: bug data mining

2003-10-05 Thread John Belmonte
Steve Langasek wrote: Generally, I think people are using http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and looking through the bugs with ids lower than x. I think you'll find that the majority of older bugs there fall into this category (or have had follow-ups, but the follow-ups themselves are older

Re: Looking for a co-maintainer for adduser

2003-10-05 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 12:41, Marc Haber wrote: > On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:58:46 -0500, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >But it would not be nice to not have the things that would leave with it

Re: bug data mining

2003-10-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 09:38:56AM -0400, John Belmonte wrote: > I didn't have any luck asking this question on debian-mentors, so I hope > it's ok to try here. > Is there some resource that lets me find "overlooked" bugs-- for > example, RC bugs older than 2 weeks and having no follow-up messag

Bug#214246: ITP: aap -- make-like build system with Python scripting

2003-10-05 Thread Cory Dodt
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-10-05 Severity: wishlist * Package name: aap Version : 1.032 (or newer, upstream updates frequently) Upstream Author : Bram Moolenaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.a-a-p.org/ * License : GPL Description :

Re: Discussion - Free the Debian Open Use logo

2003-10-05 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, Also, this is offtopic on -devel, -project is the right list. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

Re: Discussion - Free the Debian Open Use logo

2003-10-05 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 05:35:14PM -0400, Simon Law wrote: > The old Open Use logo was not DFSG-free, so we really shouldn't be > shipping it in main. Where are we shipping it in main? And even if we are (possibly somewhere in the installation docs), who cares? It's our logo, for crying out loud,

Re: On package description quality

2003-10-05 Thread Tom Badran
On Sunday 05 October 2003 16:22, Mathieu Roy wrote: > KDE in the description makes more sense, IMHO, than Qt. The same goes > gtk+ and GNOME. Agree. > A user should know which enviromnent he picked -- while he may totally > ignore that KDE is using Qt, for instance. > > Descriptions should only c

Re: On package description quality

2003-10-05 Thread Mathieu Roy
Tom Badran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > On Sunday 05 October 2003 15:45, Tom wrote: > > I disagree. GUI apps in Linux are so wildly disparate that knowing the > > basic architecture is pretty important for me to decide whether or not I > > want it. > > I second that, i consider that a very g

Re: Ideas about allowing Co-maintainer

2003-10-05 Thread Thomas Hood
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 15:14, Mark Brown wrote: > Have you tried working directly with upstream on these bugs? The upstream maintainer is Andries Brouwer. He says that he is _very_ busy and that patches sent to him should be thoroughly tested for several months before he will consider applying the

Re: On package description quality

2003-10-05 Thread Tom
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 05:03:54PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapot? : > > > I disagree. GUI apps in Linux are so wildly disparate that knowing the > > basic architecture is pretty important for me to decide whether or not I > > want it. > > What a normal user care a

Re: On package description quality

2003-10-05 Thread Tom Badran
On Sunday 05 October 2003 15:45, Tom wrote: > I disagree. GUI apps in Linux are so wildly disparate that knowing the > basic architecture is pretty important for me to decide whether or not I > want it. I second that, i consider that a very good guideline for how likely a package is going to int

Re: On package description quality

2003-10-05 Thread John Hasler
Tom writes: > I disagree. GUI apps in Linux are so wildly disparate that knowing the > basic architecture is pretty important for me to decide whether or not I > want it. Only a small minority of users know what GTK+ means. Those that do also know how to check the dependencies. -- John Hasler [

Re: On package description quality

2003-10-05 Thread Mathieu Roy
Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > I disagree. GUI apps in Linux are so wildly disparate that knowing the > basic architecture is pretty important for me to decide whether or not I > want it. What a normal user care about is the purpose and features of software, not the libraries (toolkit) u

Re: On package description quality

2003-10-05 Thread Mathieu Roy
debacle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > Hi, > > sometimes I read package descriptions I'm not happy with. > E.g. the description starts: "Foobar is a GTK+ application, > that enables blah..." where foobar is a user application, > not mainly for GTK+ programmers. Of course, the user > doesn't/sh

Re: On package description quality

2003-10-05 Thread Tom
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 02:25:57PM +, debacle wrote: > Hi, > > sometimes I read package descriptions I'm not happy with. > E.g. the description starts: "Foobar is a GTK+ application, > that enables blah..." where foobar is a user application, > not mainly for GTK+ programmers. Of course, the

Re: Looking for a co-maintainer for adduser

2003-10-05 Thread John Belmonte
Colin Watson wrote: I'd rather that the tools in Debian base were written in a high-level language where available. Take away Perl and you've got only shell, C, and C++ left; I don't think that's going to improve security in practice. Lua is a modern high-level language. Its 15K stand-alone interp

Bug#53121: basketball carbuncje s hy brqab n nmu

2003-10-05 Thread Herminia Mclain
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Re: Ideas about allowing Co-maintainer

2003-10-05 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-10-05 13:13]: > I also was told to rather get upstream to include patches to keep > debian changes minimal. > > There is no point for me working on those bugs if the patches will > just rod in the bts or be thrown out so as not to differ from > upst

Re: Ideas about allowing Co-maintainer

2003-10-05 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-10-05 14:14]: > Have you tried working directly with upstream on these bugs? I don't > know about the maintainer of util-linux but for me that would be the > most convenient way to handle something like this. Forwarding things on The upstream maintainer of

bug data mining

2003-10-05 Thread John Belmonte
Hello, I didn't have any luck asking this question on debian-mentors, so I hope it's ok to try here. Is there some resource that lets me find "overlooked" bugs-- for example, RC bugs older than 2 weeks and having no follow-up messages? If not, what is the best way to generate such a list on my ow

Re: local Release

2003-10-05 Thread Andreas Metzler
Marcos Dione <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 11:34:10PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: >> Marcos Dione <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> [...] >> >*but*... now I set up atp.conf to have 'frankie' as the default >> > release, but when I try to install galeon, it tries to get the

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-10-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Herbert Xu | Very few people really need cramfs if they're building custom kernels. | This is because initrd only makes sense when you're building for a | large number of machines. If you're building a custom kernel, just | compile in all the drivers you need for mounting root and that's that.

Re: Ideas about allowing Co-maintainer

2003-10-05 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 01:13:55PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > There is no point for me working on those bugs if the patches will > just rod in the bts or be thrown out so as not to differ from > upstream. As I said before I won't work on the debian package again > without an assurance by

Bug#214187: ITP: qmailadmin -- web interface for managing a qmail system with virtual domains

2003-10-05 Thread Filippo Giunchedi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: qmailadmin Version : 1.0.6 Upstream Author : Inter7 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.inter7.com/qmailadmin.html * License : GPL Description : web interfac

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Re: Ideas about allowing Co-maintainer

2003-10-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-08-14 16:26]: > > Will you sponsor an NMU for util-linux? > > > > It has ~150 bugs collected over the last 5 years, several of those > > with patches and some policy violations. Bugs ranging from grave

Re: Ideas about allowing Co-maintainer

2003-10-05 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-08-14 16:26]: > Will you sponsor an NMU for util-linux? > > It has ~150 bugs collected over the last 5 years, several of those > with patches and some policy violations. Bugs ranging from grave to 1.5 Months are over, and yet I don't see any patche

Re: Looking for a co-maintainer for adduser

2003-10-05 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 01:41:56PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:58:46 -0500, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >But it would not be nice to not have the things that would leave with it. > > Generally, it would be a good thing to have Debian base installable > without

Re: Looking for a co-maintainer for adduser

2003-10-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 15:58:46 -0500, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >But it would not be nice to not have the things that would leave with it. Generally, it would be a good thing to have Debian base installable without perl. That way, security-aware administrators would have the right to ch

Package verification ? (Best practice)

2003-10-05 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hmmm... On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 09:38:30AM +1000, Brian May wrote: > On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 01:42:36PM -0400, Fabien Ninoles wrote: > > Although your proposition seems more complete, have you try > > debsums and checksecurity? debsums with the following > > feature in /etc/apt/apt.conf > > > >

Re: /usr/doc symlinks

2003-10-05 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 03:25:01AM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: | I grepped a current Contents-i386.gz for usr/doc, and after examining | the file itself I notice it is from a comment in the front of | Contents-i386.gz... ARGH!!! >From the comment at the top of Contents-i386.gz: This file

Re: /usr/doc symlinks

2003-10-05 Thread Chris Cheney
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 08:57:37AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 01:59:10AM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: > > BTW - I still see one package that installs files directly into /usr/doc > > > > usr/doc/examples/ucbmpeg/mpeg_encode/nosearch.param graphics/ucbmpeg > > Where's thi

Bug#214159: ITP: dict-cz-en -- Czech-English translation dictionary for dictd

2003-10-05 Thread Antonin Kral
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: dict-cz-en Version : 20031005-1 Upstream Author : Milan Svoboda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://slovnik.zcu.cz/ * License : GNU/FDL Description : Czech-English translation dictionary for dictd

Re: /usr/doc symlinks

2003-10-05 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 01:59:10AM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: > BTW - I still see one package that installs files directly into /usr/doc > > usr/doc/examples/ucbmpeg/mpeg_encode/nosearch.param graphics/ucbmpeg Where's this data from? The version of ucbmpeg in testing and unstable appears to use

Re: /usr/doc symlinks

2003-10-05 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Chris Cheney wrote: > > > I thought that it was planned that /usr/doc not exist for the sarge > > release. However, I still see symlinks in /usr/doc is this considered a > > bug or are we waiting until sarge+1 to do this? > > > > BTW

Re: /usr/doc symlinks

2003-10-05 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Chris Cheney wrote: > I thought that it was planned that /usr/doc not exist for the sarge > release. However, I still see symlinks in /usr/doc is this considered a > bug or are we waiting until sarge+1 to do this? > > BTW - I still see one package that installs files directly i

/usr/doc symlinks

2003-10-05 Thread Chris Cheney
I thought that it was planned that /usr/doc not exist for the sarge release. However, I still see symlinks in /usr/doc is this considered a bug or are we waiting until sarge+1 to do this? BTW - I still see one package that installs files directly into /usr/doc usr/doc/examples/ucbmpeg/mpeg_encode

Bug#78282: Kак бopoтьcя с депpeссuей? ссезэуоед ыэеяуеоа кеяуирлнт

2003-10-05 Thread Вниманue!
Каждый день одно и то же: работа - сидим за компьютером, дорога - сидим или стоим в душном транспорте, дом - опять сидим, то у телевизора, то за столом, опять у компьютера, да и едим непонятно что и непонятно как! А потом страдаем от головной боли и болей в спине, от болей в коленях и болей в се