Re: updated debian development diagram -- comments?

2005-01-05 Thread Kevin Mark
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:38:46PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Kevin Mark dijo [Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 01:08:49AM -0500]: > > Hi Folks, > > I have updated my diagram on the debian developement model. Any comments > > appreciated! > > Very nice! I expect to use it at some conferences (BTW: Looks lik

Re: Status of Kernel 2.4.28 packages?

2005-01-05 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 08:02:25PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > Converting to udev is an additional step, and caused me a lot more > work than the basic 2.6 upgrade (mostly getting my head around it, and > converting from usbmgr). Converting to udev is in no way a part of converting to a 2.6 ke

Re: GtkMozEmbed with Firefox not Mozilla

2005-01-05 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 10:01:10PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: > Why should I install an email client and web page editor, > the bloat that is Mozilla, just to get GtkMozEmbed? Not to include you in this group, instead it would appear that you actually have a clue, but most of the clueless horde

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Rich Rudnick
On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 20:25 -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > Marcelo > > [0] Besides learning that there is still people in this world who seem > to think that feminism is actually a solution to something. I am > still amazed by that one. Not trying to start a subthread, but prob

Re: updated debian development diagram -- comments?

2005-01-05 Thread Kevin Mark
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:56:13AM +0100, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > Hi Kevin! > > * Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050103 07:08]: > > > I have updated my diagram on the debian developement model. Any comments > > appreciated! > > What is the target group of your diagramm? Hi Alexander, I wan

Re: updated debian development diagram -- comments?

2005-01-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Stephen Cormier dijo [Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:28:27PM -0400]: > > Debian Eyecatcher [1] > > [1] http://alioth.debian.org/projects/eyecatcher/ > > At least I presume this is what you meant to include. Oops... Sorry, you got me right. My brain has been on vacation lately :( Greetings, -- Gunna

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Anthony Towns
Robert Lemmen wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:12:34AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: All of the benefits I've thought of from running dinstall more often really only apply to unstable package churn issues. Running britney more often sounds relatively orthagonal actually, though it does sound useful for

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:18:21AM -, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:05 AM, Ingo Juergensmann > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] > > When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does > > James still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
El miÃ, 05-01-2005 a las 23:13 +, Matthew Garrett escribiÃ: > Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I agree with you on this. People using stable can not cope with > > upgrades each 6 months or so. > > The issue isn't the frequency of new stable releases - the issue is how

Re: updated debian development diagram -- comments?

2005-01-05 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi Kevin! * Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050103 07:08]: > I have updated my diagram on the debian developement model. Any comments > appreciated! What is the target group of your diagramm? Since I don't think people without deeper knowledge of Debian will find your diagram easy to understan

Re: Experimental gaim_1.1.1-2 for Alpha

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:47:57PM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-01-05 15:12]: > >> Be careful: in general, you should *not* sign changes files for > >> packages that are not intended to be included in t

Re: Experimental gaim_1.1.1-2 for Alpha

2005-01-05 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-01-05 15:12]: >> Be careful: in general, you should *not* sign changes files for >> packages that are not intended to be included in the Debian archive. >> Once the changes file is signed, anyone can upload

Bug#288854: ITP: phptal -- phptal is an implementation of Zope Page Templates (ZPT) for PHP.

2005-01-05 Thread damien clochard
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: phptal Version : 0.7.0 Upstream Author : Laurent Bedubourg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://phptal.sf.net * License : GPL Description : phptal is an implementation of Zope Page Templates (ZPT) for PHP. T

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with you on this. People using stable can not cope with > upgrades each 6 months or so. The issue isn't the frequency of new stable releases - the issue is how long a given stable release will be supported for. Releasing every 6 months

Re: Experimental gaim_1.1.1-2 for Alpha

2005-01-05 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-01-05 15:12]: > Be careful: in general, you should *not* sign changes files for > packages that are not intended to be included in the Debian archive. > Once the changes file is signed, anyone can upload your package to > the Debian archive whether that wa

Re: Experimental gaim_1.1.1-2 for Alpha

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:27:50AM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 08:55 -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > > I have built this package for alpha and it does indeed work. I have > > bundled it up in a tgz making it easier to D/L. But all the files are > > there as well for individual i

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
El miÃ, 05-01-2005 a las 04:16 -0800, Stephen Birch escribiÃ: > Paul van der Vlis([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-01-04 14:40: > > Hello, > > > > One of the biggest disadvantages of Debian for me is the long time it > > takes for a new stable version. > > I guess one man's meat is another man's poison.

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:45:12PM -0800, Ken Bloom wrote: > On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:36:11 +1100, Andrew Pollock wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:16:27AM -0800, Ken Bloom wrote: > >> http://wiki.debian.net/?RunDinstallHourly (part of the ReleaseProposals > >> topic on wiki.debian.net) discus

Re: Cant build a simple package.

2005-01-05 Thread Frederic Peters
Rakotomandimby (R12y) Mihamina wrote: > I'm learning making debian packages. I think debian-mentors@ would be more approriate. > I get the error message you can see at the bottom of this post. > I dont understand it. Would you help me? > > Especially where to tell the package builder not to us

Re: Bug#288769: ITP: cedilla -- ascii to postscript renderer

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:43:05PM +0100, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: > * Package name: cedilla > Version : 0.5 > Upstream Author : Juliusz Chroboczek > * URL : http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/cedilla/ > * License : GPL > Description

Cant build a simple package.

2005-01-05 Thread Rakotomandimby (R12y) Mihamina
Hello, I'm learning making debian packages. I choosed to learn on a very simple software: minimalist. Installing it from source is just about copying a single file (minimalist.pl) into /usr/bin and then copying its conf file into /etc/minimalist.conf I get the error message you can see at the bot

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 02:18:37PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Joey Hess: > > I think we've taken this "security bugs arn't fixed in testing as well > > as in stable" thing as gospel a little too long without verifying it > > lately. I've been checking and if testing is lagging stable at all,

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 06:07:41AM -0800, Stephen Birch wrote: > Wouter Verhelst([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-01-05 14:22: > > You should ask the release managers about that. > Wow!! You mean the decision process is not made public? I would have > thought it would be out in the open for all to see. H

Re: updated debian development diagram -- comments?

2005-01-05 Thread Stephen Cormier
On January 5, 2005 03:38 pm, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Debian Eyecatcher [1] [1] http://alioth.debian.org/projects/eyecatcher/ At least I presume this is what you meant to include. Stephen -- Debian the choice of a GNU generation. GPG Public Key: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/scormier/publickey.asc

Bug#288810: ITP: nntpswitch -- Load Balancing NNTP Router

2005-01-05 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: nntpswitch Version : 0.11-1 Upstream Author : Tommy van Leeuwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.nntpswitch.org/ * License : http://www.nntpswitch.org/manual/license.html Description : Load Balancing N

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Langasek wrote: > And it's not like users want more frequent updates, either. Once a day is > plenty often to be fiddling with apt-get; many sid users don't update nearly > that often, after all. But we still get good coverage of each set of changes distriuted amoung our users even if most

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Joey Hess
Florian Weimer wrote: > I think that's because of the pending release, in particular frozen > base packages, and not representative for the whole release cycle. There's some truth to that, but of course many of our worst dependency knots do not involve base packages. -- see shy jo signature.as

Re: updated debian development diagram -- comments?

2005-01-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Kevin Mark dijo [Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 01:08:49AM -0500]: > Hi Folks, > I have updated my diagram on the debian developement model. Any comments > appreciated! Very nice! I expect to use it at some conferences (BTW: Looks like a nice addition to Debian Eyecatcher[1], I'll add it :) ) I'd suggest

Re: murphy is listed on spamcop

2005-01-05 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Joel Aelwyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The worst case costs of well-implemented graylisting should be > > something like a short delay in an email message; the worst case of a > > false positive rejection can be much much worse indeed. > > The worst case for graylisting is the same as a fals

Re: murphy is listed on spamcop

2005-01-05 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 03:31:38PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I was just following your line of reasoning: > > > > "You cannot justify the bad things that happen as a result of your > > actions by saying that your goals cannot be reached wi

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 11:16:44PM -0800, Ken Bloom wrote: > On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:04:37 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 08:08:47PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > >> Ken Bloom wrote: > >> > http://wiki.debian.net/?RunDinstallHourly (part of the > >> > ReleaseProposals topic

Re: RFS tag?

2005-01-05 Thread Kevin Mark
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:30:21PM +0100, Nico Golde wrote: > hi, > * Frederik Dannemare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-01-05 12:43]: > > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 09:50, Nico Golde wrote: > > > Hi, > > > what about an RFS tag for ITPs or and RFS bug report for > > > wnpp. So debian developers who li

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread roberto
Quoting Robert Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:30:52PM -0500, Marc Sherman wrote: > > >That makes me wonder. I know that there are tools like cron-apt that > > >will perform apt-related tasks through cron jobs. Is there a way to > > >make it (or another tool) download th

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Robert Lemmen
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:30:52PM -0500, Marc Sherman wrote: > >That makes me wonder. I know that there are tools like cron-apt that > >will perform apt-related tasks through cron jobs. Is there a way to > >make it (or another tool) download the changelogs and email you any > >new ones? > > I j

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 02:05 am, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does James > still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in that position for a > transitional period until Joerg is taking over that task and job > completely. I wou

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-05 Thread Michael Poole
Raul Miller writes: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:16:25AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > However, if somebody writes a graphviz-client which just pushes the > > dot file over the network to graphviz.example.com on some port and > > gets a postscript file back, it can go into main. No matter wha

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Marc Sherman
Roberto Sanchez wrote: > That makes me wonder. I know that there are tools like cron-apt that will perform apt-related tasks through cron jobs. Is there a way to make it (or another tool) download the changelogs and email you any new ones? I just filed a wishlist on cron-apt about that same thing

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-05 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:16:25AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > However, if somebody writes a graphviz-client which just pushes the > dot file over the network to graphviz.example.com on some port and > gets a postscript file back, it can go into main. No matter what > software said server is r

Re: RFS tag?

2005-01-05 Thread Nico Golde
hi, * Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-01-05 18:02]: > * Nico Golde [Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:50:42 +0100]: > > From: Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ^^ > is there a reason for this? breaks mutt's 'L'ist-reply... > > > Hi, > > what about

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Ken Bloom
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 04:16:49 -0800, Stephen Birch wrote: > Paul van der Vlis([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-01-04 14:40: >> Hello, >> >> One of the biggest disadvantages of Debian for me is the long time it >> takes for a new stable version. > > I guess one man's meat is another man's poison. > > Sinc

Re: RFS tag?

2005-01-05 Thread Nico Golde
hi, * Frederik Dannemare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-01-05 12:43]: > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 09:50, Nico Golde wrote: > > Hi, > > what about an RFS tag for ITPs or and RFS bug report for > > wnpp. So debian developers who like to sponsor a package > > don't have to read debian-mentors. > > I thi

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Josh Metzler
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 05:58 pm, Neil McGovern wrote: > Recently, I did have a box rooted. This was due to a user running phpbb > on the system, without me knowing, despite the policy of no software > without clearance from me. My I ask, how did the attacker get root? Did the user have root a

Bug#288769: ITP: cedilla -- ascii to postscript renderer

2005-01-05 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: cedilla Version : 0.5 Upstream Author : Juliusz Chroboczek * URL : http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/cedilla/ * License : GPL Description : ascii to postscript renderer with unicode support An ascii t

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems?

2005-01-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 03:12:14PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 05 janvier 2005 à 07:39 -0500, Glenn Maynard a écrit : > > While you're correct--Ingo should be using list-reply, not group-reply--it's > > also somewhat dubious to complain about receiving CC's on list mail when you >

Re: Status of Kernel 2.4.28 packages?

2005-01-05 Thread Paul Hampson
On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 08:02:25PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 02-Jan-05, 15:54 (CST), Stephan Niemz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > By the way, is there a guide somewhere telling how to switch an > > "unstable" system from 2.4 to 2.6? > > apt-get install kernel-image-2.6. Also module-init

Re: RFS tag?

2005-01-05 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Nico Golde [Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:50:42 +0100]: > From: Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^ is there a reason for this? breaks mutt's 'L'ist-reply... > Hi, > what about an RFS tag for ITPs or and RFS bug report for > wnpp. So debian developers

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 06:07:41AM -0800, Stephen Birch wrote: > Wouter Verhelst([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-01-05 14:22: > > > > You should ask the release managers about that. > > > > Wow!! You mean the decision process is not made public? I would have > thought it would be out in the open for all t

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:11:44AM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > > OK, exactly what are YOU NOT DOING, now? Come on, I know you CAN'T be > that busy. You only maintain a few trivial packages... come on you could > NMU the kernel-source-2.[4|6] fixing all th issues. No need to MMU. The debian-kern

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems?

2005-01-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 05 janvier 2005 Ã 07:39 -0500, Glenn Maynard a Ãcrit : > While you're correct--Ingo should be using list-reply, not group-reply--it's > also somewhat dubious to complain about receiving CC's on list mail when you > havn't set up your MFT header to say you don't want them, list policy or

Re: Experimental gaim_1.1.1-2 for Alpha

2005-01-05 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 08:55 -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > I have built this package for alpha and it does indeed work. I have > bundled it up in a tgz making it easier to D/L. But all the files are > there as well for individual inspection. Along with the md5sums > > http://www.gregfolkert.net/expe

Re: origins of the Debian logo

2005-01-05 Thread Niklas Vainio
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 11:31:58AM +0200, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: > Sorry for the delayed response, but here is a possible answer to the > second part of the question from a semiotic perspective. Although the > question was what the swirl /tries/ to symbolize, it may be of some > interest what it a

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Stephen Birch
Bas Zoetekouw([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-01-05 14:31: > > I like that idea. We could even have a system to automagically throw > buggy non-RE packages out of testing. > That wouldn't be a bad idea at all. In the recent DPL interview: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/23/2023223 Martin

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Stephen Birch
Wouter Verhelst([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-01-05 14:22: > > You should ask the release managers about that. > Wow!! You mean the decision process is not made public? I would have thought it would be out in the open for all to see. Mind you, Debian seems to be a hotbed of emotion at times so perhaps

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Experimental gaim_1.1.1-2 for Alpha

2005-01-05 Thread Greg Folkert
I have built this package for alpha and it does indeed work. I have bundled it up in a tgz making it easier to D/L. But all the files are there as well for individual inspection. Along with the md5sums http://www.gregfolkert.net/experimental/ not an archive by any means, but available at your dis

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Stephen! You wrote: > ahh .. I take your point. What about the idea of identifying a list of > release essential (RE) packages? I like that idea. We could even have a system to automagically throw buggy non-RE packages out of testing. -- Kind regards, +-

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:12:57AM -0800, Stephen Birch wrote: > Wouter Verhelst([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-01-05 13:46: > > That's how testing started off. We stopped doing this because > > a) it at one point stalled glibc; as a result, nothing moved to > > testing > >anymore, and when it finally

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Florian Weimer
* Joey Hess: > I think we've taken this "security bugs arn't fixed in testing as well > as in stable" thing as gospel a little too long without verifying it > lately. I've been checking and if testing is lagging stable at all, it's > doing so by a much smaller amount than we've traditionally thoug

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Stephen Birch
Wouter Verhelst([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-01-05 13:46: > That's how testing started off. We stopped doing this because > a) it at one point stalled glibc; as a result, nothing moved to > testing >anymore, and when it finally did, the changes were so dramatic >that >testing was broken for

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 10:45 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jan 04, Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It shouldn't be forgotten that the biggest blocker after these things is > > probably a general failure to actually care all that much. How many > > people are actually behaving as

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems?

2005-01-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:34:33AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * Ingo Juergensmann > > | I just press "g" to reply to list mails. Other people (like Steve) > | are capable of configuring their MUAs in that way that they don't > | get CCs. Maybe you doing something wrong then? Please ask those

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:28:59AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > > Unless you're a FPAV fan, please don't Cc: me. > > I just press "g" to reply to list mails. Other people (like Steve) are > capable of configuring their MUAs in that way that they don't get CCs. Maybe > you doing something wron

Re: New author/maintainer for pinfo needed

2005-01-05 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Christian! You wrote: > I've so far maintained the package pinfo, an alternative info-file > viewer. The last release has been some time ago and there are also some > open bug reports. I've talked with the author about the package and he > decided that he has no longer time to work on this pac

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:16:49AM -0800, Stephen Birch wrote: > Perhaps a date based release mechanism could be built using a new > distribution, call it prestable. > > Packages qualify to be enter prestable after residing in testing for > ten days and having NO RC BUGS. The idea is to keep prest

New author/maintainer for pinfo needed

2005-01-05 Thread Christian Kurz
Hi, I've so far maintained the package pinfo, an alternative info-file viewer. The last release has been some time ago and there are also some open bug reports. I've talked with the author about the package and he decided that he has no longer time to work on this package. Therefor the program nee

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:11:49PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > And now you joined the other side? Attacking instead of defending? Does that > > help the m68k port better? I doubt that seriously. > I'm not attacking anyone. Usually this is what "attackers" believe. The attacked party feels

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Robert Lemmen
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:12:34AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > All of the benefits I've thought of from running dinstall more often > really only apply to unstable package churn issues. Running britney more > often sounds relatively orthagonal actually, though it does sound useful > for those annoyin

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Stephen Birch
Paul van der Vlis([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-01-04 14:40: > Hello, > > One of the biggest disadvantages of Debian for me is the long time it > takes for a new stable version. I guess one man's meat is another man's poison. Since I administer a large number of distant computers I view the long time

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:06:49PM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:15:43PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > I've tried to defend you for some time, because I thought your past help > > to the m68k port should not have gone unnoticed. I stopped doing so when > > I reali

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Langasek wrote: > Twice daily seems more reasonable to me than hourly; for release purposes, > another factor is how often britney runs, since that's what triggers changes > in the testing suite. Doubling the frequency of britney runs seems > reasonable to me, but hourly would surely be over

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:15:43PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Ohno, it's not my game, trust me. I've better things to do than playing such > > a game. Maybe I'm the one who complains most loudly, but there are DDs that > > agree with me in some (sometimes most or all) points, > Yes, there a

Re: Maintainer needed

2005-01-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 08:42:07PM +0100, Giuseppe Scrivano wrote: > Hi, > First of all I am not a debian developer, so I always need a sponsor > to upload it, and I think that the package is not yet perfect. Maybe > an expert person can handle it better. The first role of a sponsor is to check th

Re: RFS tag?

2005-01-05 Thread Frederik Dannemare
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 09:50, Nico Golde wrote: > Hi, > what about an RFS tag for ITPs or and RFS bug report for > wnpp. So debian developers who like to sponsor a package > don't have to read debian-mentors. > I think it would be a good idea. As a person looking for sponsors from time to ti

Re: For people more knowledgeable about buildds...

2005-01-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:13:11PM +1100, Andrew Pollock wrote: > Also, what is involved with putting a package back into the Needs-Build > state (i.e. requeueing it)? The buildd maintainer replying to a log or running 'wanna-build' manually. > With complaints about the lack of response/response

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Joey Hess
Jan Niehusmann wrote: > Unfortunately, testing does not guarantee security updates. Of course given the security+woody tagged RC bugs #237422, #246443, #274225, #278625, #278942, #284031, #192732, #196590, #198567, #199351, #202244, #223456, #244810, #244811, #250106, #260508, #260838, #268783, #2

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:42:52AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:06:53AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > The "us versus them" pitting of volunteer contributions against each other > > appears to be your game alone, and is precisely the sort of thing that led > > me t

Re: Accepted mozilla 2:1.7.5-1 (i386 source)

2005-01-05 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! Rene Engelhard [2005-01-05 11:26 +0100]: > > mozilla (2:1.7.5-1) unstable; urgency=high > > . > >* New upstream release (closes: Bug#288047,Bug#288044,Bug#287111, > > Bug#277515) > > ARGS. Two of those bugs at least are *NOT* "new upstream release" type bugs. > Is it really to hard to

Re: build problem on mips{,el}

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:40:14AM +0100, Martin Waitz wrote: > my package tspc could not be build on mips and I don't know why: > /usr/bin/ld: cannot open output file ../../bin/tspc: Permission denied > The package builds correctly on all other architectures. > Any ideas? mips* do not use faker

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Helen Faulkner
Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: [...] [0] Besides learning that there is still people in this world who seem to think that feminism is actually a solution to something. I am still amazed by that one. Thankyou for reminding us all, by demonstration, that the problems feminism tries to solve

build problem on mips{,el}

2005-01-05 Thread Martin Waitz
hoi :) my package tspc could not be build on mips and I don't know why: /usr/bin/ld: cannot open output file ../../bin/tspc: Permission denied The package builds correctly on all other architectures. Any ideas? -- Martin Waitz signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Otto Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Stopping releasing might be a good idea but there should be a better >way. IMO the problem is the stable release isn't updated on a regulare >basis. It might be a better idea to divide Debian into subsystems which >could be relea

Re: Accepted mozilla 2:1.7.5-1 (i386 source)

2005-01-05 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, Am Mittwoch, 5. Januar 2005 11:02 schrieb Takuo KITAME: > mozilla (2:1.7.5-1) unstable; urgency=high > . >* New upstream release (closes: Bug#288047,Bug#288044,Bug#287111, > Bug#277515) ARGS. Two of those bugs at least are *NOT* "new upstream release" type bugs. Is it really to hard to

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:59:31AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > I don't understand why you try to make as many developers opposed to you > as possible. I don't try it, it's not my intention, but I say what I mean and think. Of course this is sometimes not the same with what the audience might w

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:05 AM, Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does > James still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in that > position for a transitional period until Joerg is taking over that > t

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:42:00AM -, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:42 AM, Ingo Juergensmann > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Regarding James Troup... > [...] > > I still believe that it would be better for the project when he would > > retire from > > some of his ma

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Ingo Juergensmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050105 07:35]: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:59:29PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Please note that year 2005 has come to an end and > > > the year 2005 is now - even in my mail address! > > Does the new address bring with it a more constructive atti

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems?

2005-01-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Ingo Juergensmann | > Unless you're a FPAV fan, please don't Cc: me. | | I just press "g" to reply to list mails. Other people (like Steve) | are capable of configuring their MUAs in that way that they don't | get CCs. Maybe you doing something wrong then? Please ask those | people how you can

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 04, Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It shouldn't be forgotten that the biggest blocker after these things is > probably a general failure to actually care all that much. How many > people are actually behaving as if a release is just around the corner? A very simple way would b

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:42 AM, Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Regarding James Troup... [...] > I still believe that it would be better for the project when he would retire from > some of his many positions, because he's too loaded with them. I'm assuming you haven't spott

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Matthew Garrett | You have argued that drivers don't really depend on firmware, but | instead depend on the hardware expressing the correct interface. As an | example, we can compare maria-vis, which depends on the graphviz | package. maria-vis is in contrib, because it depends on graphviz, whi

Bug#288703: ITP: chmsee -- A chm file viewer, support Chinese better

2005-01-05 Thread Li Daobing
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: chmsee Version : 0.9.0 Upstream Author : wa chung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://linuxfire.dhis.org/~zhong/ * License : GPL Description : A chm file viewer, support Chinese better chmsee is a viewer f

RFS tag?

2005-01-05 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, what about an RFS tag for ITPs or and RFS bug report for wnpp. So debian developers who like to sponsor a package don't have to read debian-mentors. I think it would be a good idea. Regards Nico -- Nico Golde - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 1024D/73647CFF ,'"`. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.ngold

Bug#53121: Online Pharmazx

2005-01-05 Thread Matthew
Would you like inexpensive Pain Killers? http://attn.neata.com

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 11:16:44PM -0800, Ken Bloom wrote: > On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:04:37 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Twice daily seems more reasonable to me than hourly; > Why? If you run it only twice daily, then the developers who are awake at > one run will probably be asleep at the next

Re: installing developer environ

2005-01-05 Thread Benjamin Drieu
"Sukhdeep Johar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > what is the apt-get package i can install for the entire developer > environment ? > I am building some DBD packages, but find the std include files, etc > missing. Have a look at build-essential, which is documented in Debian Policy section 4.2. C

installing developer environ

2005-01-05 Thread Sukhdeep Johar
hi, what is the apt-get package i can install for the entire developer environment ? I am building some DBD packages, but find the std include files, etc missing.   -Sukhdeep

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-05 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 06:54:51PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 11:25:29PM +, Jonathan McDowell wrote: > > We've spent most of the past year thinking a release might be just round > > the corner. We can only cry wolf so many times before the world stops > > believing

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:06:53AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > > Please note that year 2005 has come to an end and > > > > the year 2005 is now - even in my mail address! > > > Does the new address bring with it a more constructive attitude towards > > > volunteers who have contributed c

Re: Bug#287839: ITP: mxml -- small XML parsing library

2005-01-05 Thread Martin Waitz
hoi :) On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 09:13:54AM -0200, Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: > I know the basics of XML and don't really have any experience using > XML libraries myself, I'm packaging it because zynaddsubfx uses it > to implement an "xml-like" instrument definition, and zyn is one of my > main

Re: ITP reminder emails

2005-01-05 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Thursday 30 December 2004 10.07, Maciej Dems wrote: > please notify, that many ITPs > are done by non-DDs. In this case the main reason for their inactivity is > the lack of a sponsor. IMHO for such ITPs, the RFS should be cc:ed to the bug, so anybody reviewing the ITP would see that it's not

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