Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 03:49:09PM +0200, Romain Francoise wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > In any case, given the number of prospective ports waiting in the > > wings, 11 is probably a roughly correct estimate even if we *do* drop > > some architectures. > Speaking of pros

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Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 12:06:39AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 07:47:19PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > After Sarge, releases, it should be pretty straightforward for someone to > > set up a script to mass-mail Debian maintainers copies of the Python > > transition patc

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 31 May 2005, Ante [iso-8859-2] Karamati? wrote: I contacted upstream week or two ago, notifying him about debianized wifi-radar. He said he would put package on website, but that didn't happend. There were several discusions about the sense that upstream maintains a downloadable copy of

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, John Goerzen wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 07:47:19PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: After Sarge, releases, it should be pretty straightforward for someone to set up a script to mass-mail Debian maintainers copies of the Python transition patches from Ubuntu (or all of the pa

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 31 May 2005, John Goerzen wrote: I've also been on the other side of the coin, and something that makes it difficult for the derivers is lack of communication from some quarters of Debian. I certainly recall frustration about inactive maintainers, and we must remember that there are mai

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/31/05, Stephen Birch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay - you have my attention. If you are right etch will be as > beautiful as Hoary within a few weeks of the sarge release. I think it's been so long since Debian started having pre-sarge freeze-spasms that we've all forgotten what it's like

Re: Keysigning without physically meeting ... thoughts?

2005-05-31 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 31 May 2005 14:13:54 -0600, "Wesley J. Landaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Right, but they have to get it notarized (or forge a notary's seal, which is >a criminal offense, at least in the US) which requires government ID >(again, at least in the US). The entire procedure is quite US

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 07:47:19PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:00:33PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > > example, Python 2.4 is in sid, and I don't mind making my packages use > > it now. I'd appreciate any and all diffs from ubuntu folks. > > I don't want to repeat

Re: Linux / Debian / Ubuntu

2005-05-31 Thread Stephen Birch
Darren Salt([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 21:49: > For those who've missed the first three broadcasts today, there's one more at > 01:05 GMT; also see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/1478157.stm>. Why on earth does the BBC force its listeners to all hit its servers at the same time. Doesn't

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Stephen Birch
Michael K. Edwards([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 13:56: > What is the point of, say, harassing the glibc maintainer to take a > patch against the version in sid, when he's planning on jumping to > 2.3.4 as soon as sarge releases? If you want evidence on which to > judge the sincerity of Ubuntu's "

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:00:33PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > In the ubuntu case in particular, I wish that they would be more > proactive in sending their patches to the Debian maintainers. Asking > us Debian folk to go to an obscure site somewhere, wade through > listings of thousands of diff

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread mag
2005-05-31, k keltezéssel 21.00-kor John Goerzen ezt írta: > > Other taxonomist may also argue that Debian is an infrastructural > > distribution, which is well suited to be the base of such "spoons". > > Perhaps, but there are some issues with that. > > In the ubuntu case in particular, I wish t

Re: More about GFDL

2005-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Cesar Martinez Izquierdo wrote: > El Viernes 22 Abril 2005 14:37, Maciej Dems escribió: >> I have a simple question concerning the GFDL discussion. >> >> Does the GFDL documentation which currently does not contain any >> invariant section have to go to non-free as well? Yes, until the GFDL is revi

Re: Keysigning without physically meeting ... thoughts?

2005-05-31 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Tuesday 31 May 2005 20:48, Jacob S wrote: > > Regardless, how is this different from meeting someone in person? They > > can just show me their fake ID--I won't know it's fake. (And, as you > > said, forged ID happens a lot and is easily available. =) > > So why bother with steps 1 & 2 when 3

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 08:21:01PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > mag writes: > > Forks in OSS do have drawbacks, this is why they are generally frowned > > upon. > > I agree that they may have drawbacks, but I don't believe that they can > cause the sort of damage that the Unix wars caused. Not onl

Re: Keysigning without physically meeting ... thoughts?

2005-05-31 Thread Jacob S
On Tue, 31 May 2005 14:13:54 -0600 "Wesley J. Landaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 31 May 2005 14:11, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:03:12AM -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > > > I wrote this up to someone. I thought I'd share it, and get your > > > thoughts. (

Re: Keysigning without physically meeting ... thoughts?

2005-05-31 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Tuesday 31 May 2005 14:11, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:03:12AM -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > > I wrote this up to someone. I thought I'd share it, and get your > > thoughts. (e.g. anybody see any weaknesses in #1-#3 that *aren't* > > present in the typical meet, chec

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread John Hasler
Steve writes: The Unix world was badly hurt by deliberate code forking during the 80s. > Those of us who lived through it are scared of a repeat. I wrote: > I don't believe that a Free Software fork can cause such damage. mag writes: > Forks in OSS do have drawbacks, this is why they are genera

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread John Goerzen
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 04:49:20AM +0200, mag wrote: > 2005-05-31, k keltezéssel 16.24-kor John Hasler ezt írta: > Forks in OSS do have drawbacks, this is why they are generally frowned > upon. Of course there are cases when advantages greater than drawbacks, > esp. when the latter are minimized, e

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Russ Allbery
Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * "unstable" is actually frozen, which means uploads for unstable are > either discouraged, they remain in the limbo, or they are automatically > put in some other distribution above unstable, like new-unstable, until > testing or unstable becomes the ne

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread mag
2005-05-31, k keltezéssel 16.24-kor John Hasler ezt írta: > Steve writes: > > The Unix world was badly hurt by deliberate code forking during the 80s. > > Those of us who lived through it are scared of a repeat. > > I don't believe that a Free Software fork can cause such damage. Forks in OSS do

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Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Andreas Barth
* Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050531 08:58]: > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 11:48:54AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > >> On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 12:34:21PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > >>> But setting up autobuilders doesn't require a new infrast

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-31 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 04:29:31AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 12:59:26PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Since it seems noone of the release team bothered to pay this part of > > the price for the testing release process, I'm sometimes using one or > > two spare hours to

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread John Hasler
Steve writes: > The Unix world was badly hurt by deliberate code forking during the 80s. > Those of us who lived through it are scared of a repeat. I don't believe that a Free Software fork can cause such damage. The Unix wars of the eighties depended on closed-source licensing. They also result

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:14:53PM +0200, Ante Karamatić wrote: > On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 11:54 -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > I don't see a wifi-radar package in Ubuntu, so unless I've missed something, > > yours is the most authoritative package. > > wifi-radar will get in Ubuntu. But, I can

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Ante Karamatić
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 14:08 -0700, Stephen Birch wrote: > Debian is quite well documented in most areas, but there is a ton to > read. Here is a good place to start > > http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ Thanks. > Genereally it is a good idea to contact the upstream developer. Most > are delig

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Ante Karamatić
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 11:54 -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > I don't see a wifi-radar package in Ubuntu, so unless I've missed something, > yours is the most authoritative package. wifi-radar will get in Ubuntu. But, I can stop this process and open a discussion about it. If I'm not mistaken, Steph

Re: Debian Packaging Question

2005-05-31 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* "Michael S. Peek" | I am attempting to develop my own .deb packages that customize a debian | installation for our network. Some of my packages attempt to divert files out | of the way in preinst before unpacking my custom files in their place. A good | example is autofs. My autofs configura

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Stephen Birch
Hi Ante, welcome to the debian project! Ante Karamati?([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 20:09: > First of all, hi to all developers! > > I packaged that wifi-radar for Ubuntu. It was my first package and I > didn't fill ITP, untill it was reviewed by others. I'm sorry for not > filling ITP. I didn't

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/31/05, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also, when Ubuntu makes improvements to packages how do those > > improvements flow back to Debian? > > They generally don't. Ubuntu considers it more effective to spend > their time on PR to make people think they are giving stuff back, t

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Stephen Birch
Tollef Fog Heen([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 22:21: > ... > It's both and not. I think of a fork as ??we want to do this > differently and we're not going to ???waste??? effort getting stuff merged > again??. Ubuntu isn't that; Ubuntu is trying to get the changes back > into Debian so they don

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:30:40PM +0100, Rich Walker wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Moore's law is cpu speed. > > *TRANSISTORS* on a single die > > Bah, yeah, but it's more or less the same thing for a given li

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Stephen Birch
Miros/law Baran([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 21:02: > ``The question is: who cares?''. Or, better: does it really matter, > what name will be used? Its not the name that would bother me, it is the result. As Matt Zimmerman pointed out elsewhere in this thread a "fork" is quite negative and has t

Re: Linux / Debian / Ubuntu

2005-05-31 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Andrew M.A. Cater may or may not have written... > Listening to BBC world service right now - good mentions of Linux, Open > Source, Hacker Ethic - and specifically Ubuntu (mentioned as derived from > Debian Linux). Go Digital - on air and on line > Also mentioning "open source ethi

Re: proficiency-level tag for debian packages

2005-05-31 Thread Rich Walker
Will Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 31 May 2005 20:07, Rich Walker wrote: > >> Even within these categories there is some need for finer grain. >> >> For example, groupware clients are mostly "easy, end-user, corporate" >> groupware servers are mostly "impossible, sysadmin, corpor

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Stephen Birch
John Goerzen([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 13:34: > I may do that too, but its architecture support is abysmal compared to > Debian, so I have no choice in the matter at this point (and lack the > time to port ubuntu to all my archs). That is unfortunate for you. I am lucky (or unlucky perhaps) i

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Rich Walker
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Moore's law is cpu speed. *TRANSISTORS* on a single die cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | [EMAIL PROTECTED] technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 08:56:15AM -0700, Stephen Birch wrote: > Forgive me if this has already been discussed ... if so could someone > give me a pointer to the thread. All the time. Just look for anything about ubuntu on -devel or -project. > I find myself fairly confused about Ubuntu packages.

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Stephen Birch | Tollef Fog Heen([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 18:06: | > * Stephen Birch | > | > | The project seems to have established a mechanism for putting new | > | packeges directly into Ubuntu. Are new Ubuntu packages also put in | > | Debian by the Ubuntu team members? | > | > Yes.

Re: Keysigning without physically meeting ... thoughts?

2005-05-31 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:03:12AM -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > I wrote this up to someone. I thought I'd share it, and get your thoughts. > (e.g. anybody see any weaknesses in #1-#3 that *aren't* present in the > typical meet, check ID, get GPG fingerprint, assuming #4 is always used > aft

Re: Debian Packaging Question

2005-05-31 Thread David Moreno Garza
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 14:51 -0400, Michael S. Peek wrote: > What *should* I be doing instead? You should forward it to -mentors mailing list. -- David Moreno Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.damog.net/ Windows isn't a virus, viruses do something. GPG: C671257D - 6EF6 C284 C95D 78F6 0B78

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 03:08:09PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > In any case, given the number of prospective ports waiting in the > > wings, 11 is probably a roughly correct estimate even if we *do* drop > > some architectures. (And since non-release ports are likely to stay > > in unstabl

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:46:29AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Tue, 31 May 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Moore's Law governs the rate at which the speed of hardware (at a given > > price-point) doubles. It says nothing about the speed at which current > > software will *run* on current mach

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:36:06AM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 03:43, Miles Bader wrote: > > Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Actually I am glad somebody is working public visible on the release > >> issues and would not critisize him for that. > > > > Point

Re: proficiency-level tag for debian packages

2005-05-31 Thread Will Newton
On Tuesday 31 May 2005 20:07, Rich Walker wrote: > Even within these categories there is some need for finer grain. > > For example, groupware clients are mostly "easy, end-user, corporate" > groupware servers are mostly "impossible, sysadmin, corporate, server" If you are installing a groupware

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 10:17:38AM -0700, Stephen Birch wrote: > Normal debian etiquette identifies the maintainer of a new package as > the first person to file an ITP. So how is this coordinated with > Ubuntu? In some cases, Ubuntu maintainers are not also Debian maintainers, and as such would

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 01:34:51PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > I may do that too, but its architecture support is abysmal compared to > Debian, so I have no choice in the matter at this point (and lack the time > to port ubuntu to all my archs). Ubuntu currently has first-class ports for i386, a

Debian Packaging Question

2005-05-31 Thread Michael S. Peek
Hello all, I hope I have the right list. If not, just kindly point me in the right direction. I am attempting to develop my own .deb packages that customize a debian installation for our network. Some of my packages attempt to divert files out of the way in preinst before unpacking my custom f

Re: proficiency-level tag for debian packages

2005-05-31 Thread Rich Walker
Will Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This would be rather arbitrary and probably be liable to cause disagreements. > I think you could get much the same affect with some well chosen tags and > debtags. e.g. you could filter on: > > command line only tools > enterprise tools (e.g. groupware,

Linux / Debian / Ubuntu

2005-05-31 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Listening to BBC world service right now - good mentions of Linux, Open Source, Hacker Ethic - and specifically Ubuntu (mentioned as derived from Debian Linux). Go Digital - on air and on line Also mentioning "open source ethic" as a possible way of developing e.g. drugs and other collaborative de

Re: proficiency-level tag for debian packages

2005-05-31 Thread Will Newton
On Tuesday 31 May 2005 19:55, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > This would be rather arbitrary and probably be liable to cause > > disagreements. > > Not much more so than with the priorities for the alternatives system. > > I find this quite an interesting idea, really. Alternatives are down a fairly na

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Miros/law Baran
31.05.2005 pisze Stephen Birch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Still looks more like a fork than a derivative . or a spoon :-) ``The question is: who cares?''. Or, better: does it really matter, what name will be used? Are you perchance a free software taxonomist? Jubal -- [ Miros/law L Baran, bara

Re: proficiency-level tag for debian packages

2005-05-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 07:09:38PM +0100, Will Newton wrote: > On Tuesday 31 May 2005 19:06, Cesar Martinez Izquierdo wrote: > > I find it a quite interesting idea. If it was implemented, there should be > > an scale, so that maintainers have some reference in order to tag their > > packages. > >

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Ante Karamatić
First of all, hi to all developers! I packaged that wifi-radar for Ubuntu. It was my first package and I didn't fill ITP, untill it was reviewed by others. I'm sorry for not filling ITP. I didn't know I have to. I'm new in creating packages and don't know all the rules. So, could someone point me

Re: Wifi-radar

2005-05-31 Thread Ante Karamatić
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 11:11 -0700, Stephen Birch wrote: > I would be very happy to handle the debian side for this package if > that works for you. If I understand you well, you would like to repackage it for Sid? Or just upload it in it? -- Ante Karamatic|--|ivoks(@)grad.hr|--|PGP: D3BDA225 ht

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Clint Adams
> I may do that too, but its architecture support is abysmal compared to > Debian, so I have no choice in the matter at this point (and lack the > time to port ubuntu to all my archs). Perhaps the SCC plan will help make that choice easier for you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 10:17:38AM -0700, Stephen Birch wrote: > And a very good looking spoon indeed. I like Ubuntu and am switching > my customer base over to it from Debian. I may do that too, but its architecture support is abysmal compared to Debian, so I have no choice in the matter at this

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Tuesday 31 May 2005 19.17, Stephen Birch wrote: > > Still looks more like a fork than a derivative . or a spoon :-) I have problems with your terminology - what do you mean by 'fork', and what do you mean by 'derivative'? To my understanding, Ubuntu is certainly a derivative of Debian (si

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Re: proficiency-level tag for debian packages

2005-05-31 Thread Will Newton
On Tuesday 31 May 2005 19:06, Cesar Martinez Izquierdo wrote: > El Martes 31 Mayo 2005 19:41, Mark Edgington escribió: > > Pardon me if this has already been discussed, but I wonder if there > > should be a tag in debian packages indicating the a minimum proficiency > > level that a user should hav

Re: proficiency-level tag for debian packages

2005-05-31 Thread Cesar Martinez Izquierdo
El Martes 31 Mayo 2005 19:41, Mark Edgington escribió: > Pardon me if this has already been discussed, but I wonder if there > should be a tag in debian packages indicating the a minimum proficiency > level that a user should have in order for a package to be useful to the > user. > > For example,

proficiency-level tag for debian packages

2005-05-31 Thread Mark Edgington
Pardon me if this has already been discussed, but I wonder if there should be a tag in debian packages indicating the a minimum proficiency level that a user should have in order for a package to be useful to the user. For example, a package like OpenOffice or Firefox are end-user application

Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Stephen Birch
Tollef Fog Heen([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 18:06: > * Stephen Birch > > | The project seems to have established a mechanism for putting new > | packeges directly into Ubuntu. Are new Ubuntu packages also put in > | Debian by the Ubuntu team members? > > Yes. Let me give you an example. I f

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Adam Heath
On Tue, 31 May 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > Moore's Law governs the rate at which the speed of hardware (at a given > price-point) doubles. It says nothing about the speed at which current > software will *run* on current machines; and it certainly has nothing to say > about the speed at which s

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Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Stephen Birch | The project seems to have established a mechanism for putting new | packeges directly into Ubuntu. Are new Ubuntu packages also put in | Debian by the Ubuntu team members? Yes. | The Ubuntu literature indicates that Ubuntu is a derivative of debian | but it looks more like a

Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?

2005-05-31 Thread Stephen Birch
Forgive me if this has already been discussed ... if so could someone give me a pointer to the thread. I find myself fairly confused about Ubuntu packages. I had thought that Ubuntu is a Debian derivative. Therefore I expected new packages to be first placed in Debian and then flow to Ubuntu. H

Bug#311373: ITP: wifi-radar -- GUI utility for managing WiFi profiles

2005-05-31 Thread Stephen Birch
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Stephen Birch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: wifi-radar Version : 1.9.3 Upstream Author : [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/ * License : GPL Description : GUI utility for managing Wi

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2005-05-31 Thread Simon Law
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2005-05-31 Severity: wishlist * Package name: elektra Version : 0.5 Upstream Author : Avi Alkalay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://elektra.sourceforge.net/ * License : BSD Description : A framework to store configurat

Keysigning without physically meeting ... thoughts?

2005-05-31 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
Hi folks, I wrote this up to someone. I thought I'd share it, and get your thoughts. (e.g. anybody see any weaknesses in #1-#3 that *aren't* present in the typical meet, check ID, get GPG fingerprint, assuming #4 is always used afterwards?) On Tuesday 31 May 2005 08:44, Wesley J. Landaker wrote

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:22:20AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > I noticed that Adrian moved a bug report for a kernel in sid (2.6.10 > > IIRC) to the 2.6.8 kernel so it appeared as a Sarge RC Bug? I didn't > > see anything that showed that it was a 2.6.8 problem, maybe it is, but > > it looked li

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Pierre Habouzit
> IOW, it doesn't (directly) give meaningful predictions about the rate > at which a given piece of hardware becomes obsolete. > > It also has no capacity to predict an organization's *ability* to > replace hardware. ok, true > > I'm aware that more's law is not appliable on some archs (like arm

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Romain Francoise
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In any case, given the number of prospective ports waiting in the > wings, 11 is probably a roughly correct estimate even if we *do* drop > some architectures. Speaking of prospective ports, what would be the feasibility of keeping testing frozen after

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 03:08:09PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > In any case, given the number of prospective ports waiting in the > > wings, 11 is probably a roughly correct estimate even if we *do* drop > > some architectures. (And since non-release ports are likely to stay > > in unstable,

Bug#311348: ITP: ptunnel -- Send TCP traffic over ICMP

2005-05-31 Thread Romain Beauxis
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Romain Beauxis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: ptunnel Version : 0.61 Upstream Author : Daniel Stoedle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.cs.uit.no/~daniels/PingTunnel/ * License : BSD like Description : Sen

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Pierre Habouzit
> In any case, given the number of prospective ports waiting in the > wings, 11 is probably a roughly correct estimate even if we *do* drop > some architectures. (And since non-release ports are likely to stay > in unstable, and adding a release port adds three w-b databases where > dropping one

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 02:01:48PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 04:56:52AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:25:39AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 10:56:16PM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > > > > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAI

Re: New Nokia device is Debian-based?

2005-05-31 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 11:23:14AM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > The open source software component of the Nokia 770 can be downloaded from > Maemo.org as a complete filesystem, or managed as a collection of Debian > source and binary packages. Yep, and many of the packages match the Debia

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 04:56:52AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:25:39AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 10:56:16PM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > > > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 11:48:54AM +010

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:25:39AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 10:56:16PM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 11:48:54AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > > >> On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 12:34:21PM +0200, Ad

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-31 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 12:59:26PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > Since it seems noone of the release team bothered to pay this part of > the price for the testing release process, I'm sometimes using one or > two spare hours to go a bit through update_excuses and report half a > dozen of such issu

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, May 31, 2005 03:43, Miles Bader wrote: > Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Actually I am glad somebody is working public visible on the release >> issues and would not critisize him for that. > > Pointing out a problem is nice, but doing so in an obnoxious manner > hurts. I wo

Bug#311333: ITP: gopdc -- Helper Scripts to build up an Samba DC

2005-05-31 Thread scheiter
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: scheiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: gopdc Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Lars Scheiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://oss.gonicus.de/project/?group_id=8 * License : GPL Description : Helper Scripts

Bug#311332: ITP: gofax -- Fax solution based on hylafax and LDAP

2005-05-31 Thread scheiter
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: scheiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: gofax Version : 1.4 Upstream Author : Lars Scheiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://oss.gonicus.de/project/?group_id=2 * License : GPL Description : Fax solution bas

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 31 May 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 03:45:07PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > Or do you _really_ want to release sarge with many dozens of already > > > known and fixed bugs? > > > > I'd worry about it more if we hadn't suffered from the same o

Re: Example where testing-security was used?

2005-05-31 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 10:56:16PM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 11:48:54AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > >> On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 12:34:21PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > >>> But setting up autobuilders doesn't require a

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 04:07:11PM +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: > I noticed that Adrian moved a bug report for a kernel in sid (2.6.10 > IIRC) to the 2.6.8 kernel so it appeared as a Sarge RC Bug? I didn't > see anything that showed that it was a 2.6.8 problem, maybe it is, but > it looked like seco

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 03:45:07PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Or do you _really_ want to release sarge with many dozens of already > > known and fixed bugs? > > I'd worry about it more if we hadn't suffered from the same or similar > problems with ever previous Debian releas

Re: Problems with: Bug#295706: "Preferences" is empty

2005-05-31 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > So Upgraders must move the old mozilla config manualy out of the way. > Can this BUG solved ? This happens very often. I think it is a Mozilla Bug to require too much manuel intervention on upgrade. It is not related to releases (however more likely betw

Bug#311321: RFP: redet -- regular expression development and execution tool

2005-05-31 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: redet Version : 6.5 Upstream Author : William J. Poser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~wjposer/redet

Re: Libraries with ABI changes

2005-05-31 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Hamish Moffatt | An advantage of keeping the old library in oldlibs for a while is that | local admins may have their own binaries compiled against these | libraries. Rapid replacements of libraries break local binaries. Not as long as you bump the package name. There's nothing pulling the ol

Re: Problems with: Bug#295706: "Preferences" is empty

2005-05-31 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Michelle Konzack | The BUG, described by me, occures if you upgrade from WOODY to SARGE. Could you please stop yelling at our releases? -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' :

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