Re: Debian Games Team

2006-01-12 Thread Isaac Clerencia
On Friday 13 January 2006 07:51, Eddy Petrişor wrote: > > - Identify important games that are not packaged yet and package them. > > cube cube is non-free or even non-distributable Best regards

Work-needing packages report for Jan 13, 2006

2006-01-12 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 169 (new: 5) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 96 (new: 3) Total number of packages requeste

Re: Debian Games Team

2006-01-12 Thread Eddy Petrişor
On 1/13/06, Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, Hello, > We've been recently talking about creating a group to maintain games in Debian > in a collaborative way. As a starting point, I've created a mailing list in > alioth for coordination, and also for create discussion threads about th

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-12 Thread Martin Meredith
Please read my first couple of lines in the email - as quoted below >>Ok - I'm going to reply to the first post i found on this whole - >>thing, so apologies if it shows up in some weird place in threaded >>view. Manoj Srivastava wrote: > OK. Since you selected my post to reply to -- are

Intent to remove several packages - ddrmat-source, python-flac, python-modplug

2006-01-12 Thread Joe Wreschnig
Hi, I'm going to be requesting removals for packages I no longer need or have the hardware to test (and was also upstream for); speak up within the next week if you want them. ddrmat-source: I believe this driver was merged into the kernel early in the 2.6 series; it's also for pretty obsolete ha

Re: Trivial bug on apt-file (Was : Re: Development standards for unstable)

2006-01-12 Thread Charles Plessy
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 04:47:33AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote : > On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 06:48:38PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > > > But if you read this bug (#307833), you'd see that the maintainer doesn't > > > consider it a bug, and has documented why in the README file. > > It is a bug as the pac

mozilla extension problem - please advise or kick me in the right direction

2006-01-12 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Dear Gurus, Since I got no response in -mentors I decided to bother the higher authorities. I am sorry if I have produced an excess of noise. I am a sponsored maintainer of mozilla-imagezoom package. I just upgraded it to the most recent upstream version so I could have it working with the recen

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 03:11:58PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Well it's nice in theory. The problem is that you have to set the > > threshold high enough to exempt glibc and dpkg, and when you do that, > > I have not yet found a metric that complains about any other packag

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:15:25PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > On the other hand I can not really > believe that it is impossible to touch glibc and dpkg bugs with some > kind of status ("I'm working on it", "Help would be welcome in this > particular task", ...). I don't think it's impossible,

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 06:08:52PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > We can't decide how they need to "give us something MORE back" and > it's their problem? Whoever said they need to do that? They just need to stop bragging about shit they don't do. There's at least two ways to accomplish this. If

Re: Chao ban ve may bay

2006-01-12 Thread ut van
Chao,   Toi muon dat 1 ve khu hoi di tu HN-TPHCM va nguoc lai tu ngay 18/01 va chieu nguoc lai khoang ngay 07 hoac 08/02 Cho hoi gia ve la bao nhieu?co khuyen mai ko? So dt cua toi:0918208490.   chao than ai. Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holi

Re: Preparing the m68k port for the future.

2006-01-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 07:17:48PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Yes, 'm68k' and 'future' in one sentence. Amazing, isn't it? Surely we > must be joking? Hey, I haven't seen any activity wrt m68k archive (re)qualificiation. Given m68k's dropped back below the 95% cutoff (and has spent about 1/3

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 03:05:31PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > I think that the RC bug metric is overated and doesn't consider these > kinds of effects that end up pulling down the overall usability of > Debian. Yeah, the RC bug metric is meant to just be for the trivial bugs that we get rid of imme

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2006-01-12 Thread ut van
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Re: Trivial bug on apt-file (Was : Re: Development standards for unstable)

2006-01-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 06:48:38PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > > But if you read this bug (#307833), you'd see that the maintainer doesn't > > consider it a bug, and has documented why in the README file. > It is a bug as the package is not usable without curl or wget installed. > Though, I give him

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/12/06, Daniel Ruoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Em Qui, 2006-01-12 às 18:08 -0200, Gustavo Franco escreveu: > > - Scott's url with patches isn't part of the "give something back" > > approach that we want. We need to be well informed about patches, but > > we don't know exactly how; > > Don't

Re: pbuilder: cowdancer/cowbuilder status update

2006-01-12 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > Another difference I noticed is that fl-cow takes a list of > > directories to protect in FL_COW, and seems to copy files > > unconditionally on 'open'. > > > > cowdancer caches a list of i-nodes so that it won't try to break > > hardlinks more than once. (cow-shell does this much work).

Bug#347849: ITP: easychem -- Draw high-quality molecules and chemical 2D formulas

2006-01-12 Thread Chris Peterman
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: easychem Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : Francois-Xavier Coudert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL or Web page : http://easychem.sourceforge.net * License : GPL Description : Draw high-quality molecules and chemical 2D formula

packages.debian.org service stop ?

2006-01-12 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, I've dug out some information from IRC logs: saens was overloaded around 5 Jan 2006, with load average of 140 or something, and eventually apache stopped. Since saens is one of ftp.debian.org, it had a large impact, and packages.debian.org is disabled temporarily as a workaround. If anyone

Debian Games Team

2006-01-12 Thread Miriam Ruiz
Hi, We've been recently talking about creating a group to maintain games in Debian in a collaborative way. As a starting point, I've created a mailing list in alioth for coordination, and also for create discussion threads about the main problems related to game development and games packages in D

Re: Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stablethan in testing ?

2006-01-12 Thread Radek
Thanks, I have already fixed my debian system - it was unconfigured loopback network device problem. Adding auto lo to /etc/network/interfaces helped. I am providing this information just for somone who accidently hit this thread, searching solution for similiar problem. My object was not to solve

Re: pbuilder: cowdancer/cowbuilder status update

2006-01-12 Thread Robert Collins
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 08:42 +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > Hi, > > > > This is an update on using userland COW method with pbuilder. > > > > > > cowdancer is a tool that allows you to "cp -al" (hardlink) a tree, and > > > break the hardlink when a write-open to a file is performed. The > > > adve

Re: pbuilder: cowdancer/cowbuilder status update

2006-01-12 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > This is an update on using userland COW method with pbuilder. > > > > cowdancer is a tool that allows you to "cp -al" (hardlink) a tree, and > > break the hardlink when a write-open to a file is performed. The > > adventurous part of cowdancer COW implementation is that it's trying > > to

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 21:18 -0500, Joey Hess escreveu: > Gustavo Franco wrote: > > I agree with "similar things being said" but i'm yet to hear about the > > lack of collaboration and give Debian something back. For example: I > > don't remember too much people caring about PGI (Progeny) and after

Re: HPPA, Arm, or M68k with g++ >= 4:4.0.2-2 ?

2006-01-12 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:41:28PM +0100, Ionut Georgescu wrote: > On Wednesday 14 December 2005 19:25, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > * Jens Peter Secher [Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:50:26 +0100]: > > > I need to test that a package can be built with g++ >= 4:4.0.2-2 on > > > HPPA, Arm, or M68k. Is there a DD

Re: pbuilder: cowdancer/cowbuilder status update

2006-01-12 Thread Robert Collins
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 07:27 +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > Hi, > > This is an update on using userland COW method with pbuilder. > > cowdancer is a tool that allows you to "cp -al" (hardlink) a tree, and > break the hardlink when a write-open to a file is performed. The > adventurous part of cowd

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Bill Allombert
> What does aptitude give as the breakdown between unused packages being > automatically removed, and packages being removed that you actually > requested installed? Well I did not install any packages through aptitude. The numbers of packages below the lines The following packages will be automa

pbuilder: cowdancer/cowbuilder status update

2006-01-12 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, This is an update on using userland COW method with pbuilder. cowdancer is a tool that allows you to "cp -al" (hardlink) a tree, and break the hardlink when a write-open to a file is performed. The adventurous part of cowdancer COW implementation is that it's trying to do this from within use

French cheese

2006-01-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 07:26:50AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > /me...who expects tons of Ubuntu/Debian discussions at Solutions Linux > in Paris (Jan 31-Feb 2) with both fellow French developers, > users...and Ubuntu users as well. No chance that people from Canonical > show up over there? I

Re: initramfs-tools backport?

2006-01-12 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Joerg Platte wrote: > Am Montag, 7. November 2005 17:48 schrieb Norbert Tretkowski: > > I'll add initramfs-tools soon, the reason why there's only yaird > > is that it's easier to backport than initramfs-tools. > > Great news :-) I'm using initramfs-tools for sid for some time now > with some en

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, that's current practice, but nobody is stopping anyone to give a > little bit more care into QA packages... The hardest problem, speaking as someone who wanted to do that and who still wants to do that as soon as I can find time, is that m

Re: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265920

2006-01-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > that distinction isn't made clear: it's only if people think about it > that they will realise that they are supposed to report debian-specific > packaging bugs to the debian bugs database and package-specific bugs to > whatever upstre

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Qui, 2006-01-12 às 18:08 -0200, Gustavo Franco escreveu: > - Scott's url with patches isn't part of the "give something back" > approach that we want. We need to be well informed about patches, but > we don't know exactly how; Don't we? Debian is Ubuntu's upstream, right? When you modify some

Bug#347832: ITP: mpc123 -- Command-line Musepack audio player

2006-01-12 Thread Daniele Sempione
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Daniele Sempione <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: mpc123 Version : 0.1.9 Upstream Author : Fernando Vezzosi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://mpc123.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description : Command-line Mu

Bug#347828: ITP: mailtextbody -- Tool to return the body of an email message

2006-01-12 Thread gregor herrmann
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: gregor herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: mailtextbody Version : 0.1.1 Upstream Author : Toastfreeware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.toastfreeware.priv.at/ * Licen

Bug#347826: ITP: fullquottel -- Tool for recognizing mails/postings in tofu/top-posting style

2006-01-12 Thread gregor herrmann
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: gregor herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: fullquottel Version : 0.1.1 Upstream Author : Toastfreeware ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * URL : http://www.toastfreeware.priv.at/ * Licens

Bug#347834: ITP: knmap -- Kde interface to nmap

2006-01-12 Thread Moratti Claudio
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Moratti Claudio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: knmap Version : 1.99-1 Upstream Author : Kevin Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/knmap * License : GPL Description : Kde interface

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:52:13PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > * David Nusinow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 21:47]: > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:35:18PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > > > However, on the other hand feel free to create a "common maintained > > > packages team" that adopts such pac

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Barth
* David Nusinow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 21:47]: > On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:35:18PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > > However, on the other hand feel free to create a "common maintained > > packages team" that adopts such packages :) > Isn't that pretty much what the qa team does? Not really.

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:35:18PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > However, on the other hand feel free to create a "common maintained > packages team" that adopts such packages :) Isn't that pretty much what the qa team does? - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: HPPA, Arm, or M68k with g++ >= 4:4.0.2-2 ?

2006-01-12 Thread Ionut Georgescu
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 19:25, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Jens Peter Secher [Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:50:26 +0100]: > > I need to test that a package can be built with g++ >= 4:4.0.2-2 on > > HPPA, Arm, or M68k. Is there a DD accessible machine that has a current > > version of g++ installed? > >

OT: quoting (was: Development standards for unstable)

2006-01-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.01.12.2135 +0100]: > * Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 19:36]: > > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > * Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 18:11]: > > >> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > * Christoph Berg

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Barth
* Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 19:36]: > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 18:11]: > >> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > * Christoph Berg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 16:28]: > >> >> Re: Thomas Viehmann in <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Andrew Suffield wrote: Well it's nice in theory. The problem is that you have to set the threshold high enough to exempt glibc and dpkg, and when you do that, I have not yet found a metric that complains about any other packages (I've tried two or three times to invent one).

Bug#347807: ITP: xara -- a vector drawing program

2006-01-12 Thread Joachim Breitner
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Joachim Breitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: xara * URL : http://www.xaraxtreme.org/ * License : to be released as GPL Description : a vector drawing program The makers of the long-around Windows XaraX vector drawing p

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Joey Hess
Andrew Suffield wrote: > Well it's nice in theory. The problem is that you have to set the > threshold high enough to exempt glibc and dpkg, and when you do that, > I have not yet found a metric that complains about any other packages > (I've tried two or three times to invent one). I think the pr

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/12/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 05:31:40PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > On 1/12/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +,

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Joey Hess
Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > While the package might not be of the quality we strive to achieve within > Debian; if a bug is not release critical we consider the bug not to be > serious enough to impact the packages' releaseworthyness. This is by > definition. Even if there are many of those bugs, they

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 11:49:14AM -0600, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:34:27PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > > > I cannot point you exactly why _this_ circular dependency is going to > > > be a problem, no. > > > However I can point you to bug #310490 which show a woody system th

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 05:31:40PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > On 1/12/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > > Let's take this one apart and s

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 03:49:08PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > > >While the package might not be of the quality we strive to achieve within > >Debian; if a bug is not release critical we consider the bug not to be > >serious enough to impact the pack

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/12/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > Let's take this one apart and see what it is that pisses people off so > > > much. > > > > I don't inte

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Let's take this one apart and see what it is that pisses people off so > > much. > > I don't intend to participate in this type of email argument with you; I've >

Link partnership request with debian.org

2006-01-12 Thread Szabolcs, Herman
Dear Mr(s), I visited your site (debian.org) today, and I really like it. I am very interested in exchanging links. I've gone ahead and posted a link to your site, on this page: www.budapestnetapartments.hu/travel-links/europe-finland-helsinki.htm Your website details: Url: debian.org Descript

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 18:11]: >> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > * Christoph Berg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 16:28]: >> >> Re: Thomas Viehmann in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > Really, how about just automatically[1] r

Re: Trivial bug on apt-file (Was : Re: Development standards for unstable)

2006-01-12 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 04:57:46PM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:03:28AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Of course, this is trivial, but fixing this bug (251 days old) is > > also trivial. Then why complain ? I feel that it gives a bad image of > > debian, when it

Re: Bug#347617: ITP: itrans -- Converts romanised Indic text to LaTeX, HTML & Postscript

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frank Küster wrote: >> Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>Frank Küster wrote: >>> Baishampayan Ghose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> How did you manage to download the sources from there? I get: >>> >>>ftp://ftp%40aczoom%2

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Britton Kerin
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:23:31 +0100, "Thomas Viehmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hi, > > first of all, thanks for taking the initiative I think the matter is too > important to be left alone just for avoiding to step on anyones toes. > > Anthony Towns wrote: > > Random ideas for negative conseq

Re: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265920

2006-01-12 Thread Darren Salt
[note: sent to d-d only] I demand that Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton may or may not have written... > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 02:04:45PM +0100, Adeodato Sim?? wrote: >> * Matthew Garrett [Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:50:56 +]: [snip] >>> It's the job of either the bug submitter or (more usually) the De

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:34:27PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > > I cannot point you exactly why _this_ circular dependency is going to > > be a problem, no. > > However I can point you to bug #310490 which show a woody system that > > could not be upgraded to sarge without removing most of KDE. > >

Re: Trivial bug on apt-file (Was : Re: Development standards for unstable)

2006-01-12 Thread Luk Claes
Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:03:28AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > >>Of course, this is trivial, but fixing this bug (251 days old) is >>also trivial. Then why complain ? I feel that it gives a bad image of >>debian, when it suggests to use a broken tool while another

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Robert Lemmen
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:12:27PM +0400, Stepan Golosunov wrote: > > Looking at them, I fail to see why debconf-i18n has to depend on > > debconf. > > Because /usr/share/doc/debconf-i18n is a symlink? perhaps the link should be the other way round. for example the most common package split would

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Stepan Golosunov
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:30:56AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 09 janvier 2006 à 22:15 -0500, Joey Hess a écrit : > > Bill Allombert wrote: > > > Here the lists of packages involved in circular dependencies listed by > > > maintainers. > > > > > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Barth
* Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 18:11]: > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > * Christoph Berg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 16:28]: > >> Re: Thomas Viehmann in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned packages > >> > without maintain

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Christoph Berg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 16:28]: >> Re: Thomas Viehmann in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned packages >> > without maintained rdepends from testing? >> >> Seconded. > > well, just make

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Gustavo Franco wrote: > I see, i would like to see the utnubu patch list[0] integrated in PTS > (scott's already is[1]), with that everyone subscribed to the package The patch list from utnubu is the same than the one from Scott, so there's no point to add a pointer to the utn

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The greatest strength of having Canonical on our side, from my POV, is that > it's a company full of people like Daniel, who are fundamentally Debian > people, and who are willing to work with you on this kind of personal > level. I don't really buy in to

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Barth
* Thomas Viehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 15:56]: > Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > > I very much agree that we should strive to make packages as good as > > possible, but if users depend on a package and there are no real > > showstoppers in it, we might do our users a better service with shipping >

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, January 12, 2006 16:02, Frank Küster wrote: > But if a rather new package in active development has many non-RC bugs, > some of them crippling upstream features, and one of them "New version > N.m.o available" (retitled three times meanwhile), then our users are > probably better served by

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Christoph Berg [Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:05:52 +0100]: > Re: Thomas Viehmann in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned packages > > without maintained rdepends from testing? > Seconded. Me too. (jftr, http://lists.debian.org/debian-qa/2004/06/msg00176

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Christoph Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-12 16:05]: > Re: Thomas Viehmann in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned packages > > without maintained rdepends from testing? > > Seconded. I don't think it's such a great idea (at least not done by itsel

Re: Trivial bug on apt-file (Was : Re: Development standards for unstable)

2006-01-12 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:03:28AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Of course, this is trivial, but fixing this bug (251 days old) is > also trivial. Then why complain ? I feel that it gives a bad image of > debian, when it suggests to use a broken tool while another one is being > repaired. But if

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Otavio Salvador
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Gustavo Franco wrote: >> I agree with "similar things being said" but i'm yet to hear about the >> lack of collaboration and give Debian something back. For example: I >> don't remember too much people caring about PGI (Progeny) and after >> that anaconda "p

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Barth
* Christoph Berg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 16:28]: > Re: Thomas Viehmann in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned packages > > without maintained rdepends from testing? > > Seconded. well, just make a list that I can just copy into my hint file. Che

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 11:47:53AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > On 1/11/06, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Of course people can do this, but this is so very much not the point. The > > point is that publishing source packages on a website that people have to > > poll is not "givin

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:26:26AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 12 janvier 2006 ? 01:49 +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar a ?crit : > > > At the very least, I think they should be treated like pre-depends, with > > > a request on this list being mandatory before adding a circular > > > depe

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-12 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On 1/12/06, Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know if you read my other mail, but I do find it hard to > cooperate with Ubuntu for my own package, because each time it has > been uploaded to Ubuntu it was done my a different person, so I don't > know who I should be cooperating /wit

Trivial bug on apt-file (Was : Re: Development standards for unstable)

2006-01-12 Thread Charles Plessy
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 02:21:03PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote : > > ... > > If a maintainer would not manage to respond to an RC bug for three months > > the package is obviousely not maintained and should be taken over by > > somebody else, IMHO. > > I wish something like that applied to all

Re: libecw

2006-01-12 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 1/12/06, Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > Use of the ECW SDK with Unlimited Decompressing and Unlimited Compression > > for > > applications licensed under a GNU General Public style license ("GPL") is > > governed by the "ECW SDK PUBLIC USE LICENSE AGREEMENT". > > Not su

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:36:06 +, Martin Meredith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Ok - I'm going to reply to the first post i found on this whole - > thing, so apologies if it shows up in some weird place in threaded > view. > Basically - I dont think the brand should be put on ubuntu as a > whole

Re: Bug#347617: ITP: itrans -- Converts romanised Indic text to LaTeX, HTML & Postscript

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Vaughan
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:58, Frank Küster wrote: > Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Frank Küster wrote: > >> Baishampayan Ghose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> How did you manage to download the sources from there? I get: > > > > ftp://ftp%40aczoom%2Ecom:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/itrans

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Thomas Viehmann in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned packages > without maintained rdepends from testing? Seconded. Christoph -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.df7cb.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#347617: ITP: itrans -- Converts romanised Indic text to LaTeX, HTML & Postscript

2006-01-12 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
Frank Küster wrote: > Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Frank Küster wrote: >> >>>Baishampayan Ghose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>How did you manage to download the sources from there? I get: >> >>ftp://ftp%40aczoom%2Ecom:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/itrans/53/itrans53.zip > > > That

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:17:55 -0200, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I disagree with a pile of patches and as i said it would be better a > revision control system and good log (and debian/changelog) entries. How is a revision control system (BTW, all of my packages are in a

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:48:22 -0200, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On 1/11/06, Daniel Ruoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 16:48 +0100, martin f krafft escreveu: >> > What would you like to see? >> >> I think submitting bugs and patches to the BTS would already b

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
"Thijs Kinkhorst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, January 12, 2006 14:23, Thomas Viehmann wrote: >>> Random ideas for negative consequences might include forced >>> orphaning by overriding maintainer fields to debian-qa, removal of >> Maybe this should not only be limited to packages with RC

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: While the package might not be of the quality we strive to achieve within Debian; if a bug is not release critical we consider the bug not to be serious enough to impact the packages' releaseworthyness. This is by definition. Even if there are many of

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > I very much agree that we should strive to make packages as good as > possible, but if users depend on a package and there are no real > showstoppers in it, we might do our users a better service with shipping > than with not shipping the package. No. Shipping unsupported p

Fwd: Bug#344758: init.d script should create /var/run/dirmngr

2006-01-12 Thread Thomas Hood
The submitter of #344758 wrote: > The script should create /var/run/dirmngr to allow users to map their > /var/run to a temporary filesystem like tmpfs. Thanks. Peter Eisentraut wrote: > What do you think about this request? It seems reasonable, but I think if > this should be supported, there o

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, January 12, 2006 14:23, Thomas Viehmann wrote: >> Random ideas for negative consequences might include forced >> orphaning by overriding maintainer fields to debian-qa, removal of > Maybe this should not only be limited to packages with RC bugs... For a > lot of packages with inactive maint

Re: Bug#347617: ITP: itrans -- Converts romanised Indic text to LaTeX, HTML & Postscript

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frank Küster wrote: >> Baishampayan Ghose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> How did you manage to download the sources from there? I get: > > ftp://ftp%40aczoom%2Ecom:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/itrans/53/itrans53.zip That's exactly what I tried - it doesn't ma

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/12/06, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gustavo Franco wrote: > > I agree with "similar things being said" but i'm yet to hear about the > > lack of collaboration and give Debian something back. For example: I > > don't remember too much people caring about PGI (Progeny) and after > > th

Re: libecw

2006-01-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Miriam Ruiz wrote: > I'm not sure if it's license ( > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=293346 ) can be considered > free enough to be in main: FYI, the right place to ask this is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Moving it over there. Full-quoting because of this. Summary: I don't believe this is

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/11/06, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 05:48:22PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > On 1/11/06, Daniel Ruoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 16:48 +0100, martin f krafft escreveu: > > > > What would you like to see? > > > > I think subm

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/11/06, Gustavo Noronha Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 19:54 -0300, Daniel Ruoso escreveu: > > Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 14:36 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG escreveu: > > > Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > It was already discussed[0], and there's no consensu

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:25:01PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > (...) > > Are you saying that they're spending more money with PR than really > > contributing back ? > > I don't know about money, but I'm pretty sure their claims exceed > th

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi, first of all, thanks for taking the initiative I think the matter is too important to be left alone just for avoiding to step on anyones toes. Anthony Towns wrote: > Random ideas for negative consequences might include forced > orphaning by overriding maintainer fields to debian-qa, removal o

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Steve Langasek wrote: If RC bugs go unanswered for 3 months, I agree that something should be done; I just don't think that saying someone else should take it over is necessarily enough. I believe we need clearer methods for handling packages in the case that *no one* is ha

Re: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265920

2006-01-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Felipe Sateler wrote: > This seems like a nice idea. File a whishlist bug against reportbug ;) > If you really want to do this, look at /usr/share/doc/reportbug/README.developers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 1/12/06, Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > > [Florian Weimer] > >> What about: stop threatening your fellow developers? > > > > Why is specifying the consequences of doing a bad job with maintaining > > ones debian packages threatening

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