Re: Rappel pour les traduct ions gérées par les maintainers

2006-05-22 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Thomas Huriaux dies 22/05/2006 hora 01:03: nous avons au fil du temps établi une série de choix (qu'il serait trop long de documenter) La l10n serait-elle de la magie noire ? Depuis quand la complexité d'un sujet justifie-t-elle de ne pas le documenter ?! J'ai toujours pensé qu'il en

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Juergen A. Erhard
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 03:55:53PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: [...] They didn't ask you because Debian is not a democracy and random opinions on this decision *don't* matter. Wow, thanks for telling us. I thought the Debian developers elected a DPL every year. Of course, since I'm not one,

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Thomas Weber
Am Sonntag, den 21.05.2006, 15:58 -0500 schrieb Raphael Hertzog: No, if we should discuss before taking any action we wouldn't get anything done. Oh, come on. Nobody expects you to ask before updating a simple package. If you really want to contest the decision, you have the GR. ROFL, yes,

Bug#368383: dumb manual page for... NAME section on many man pages

2006-05-22 Thread Brendan O'Dea
dotlock (1) - manual page for dotlock (GNU Mailutils 0.6.93) This is the default NAME section generated by help2man. Fairly useless, but there needs to be *some* default. Suggest that you file bugs on the particular packages which need either to provide a --name=short description

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 21 May 2006 20:20:09 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: It's an important document and certainly something that every developer should read and endeavor to follow where it makes sense, but things go into the Developer's Reference rather than Policy

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Juergen A Erhard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 03:55:53PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: [...] They didn't ask you because Debian is not a democracy and random opinions on this decision *don't* matter. Wow, thanks for telling us. I thought the Debian developers elected a

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Meskes
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 03:58:18PM -0500, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Oh, and the impression that pushing non-free packages in after several hours has a high priority, while (license-wise) simple packages linger for weeks in NEW was probably a bonus[1]. I have to agree this sucks but if you

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Meskes
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 04:17:52PM -0500, Raphael Hertzog wrote: I'm afraid I have more interesting things to do than helping non-free software developers to get their non-free crap in the non-free archive. Good, but you shouldn't decide what others have to do. Some people are interested

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Meskes
the project by not consulting you first is so much bullshit, because *they* are the ones who bear the primary liability from distributing these packages, and other developers (as opposed to mirror operators) bear none at all. They didn't ask you because Debian is not a democracy and random

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 08:01:34AM +0200, Juergen A. Erhard wrote: On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 03:55:53PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: [...] They didn't ask you because Debian is not a democracy and random opinions on this decision *don't* matter. Wow, thanks for telling us. I thought the

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 19 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow outgrape: setools is in the list, and contains libraries that it uses itself, but does not break it up into multiple installed packages. Setools is moving rapidly rnough that I do not intend to support multiple versions of the libraries until things

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Meskes
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 05:03:28PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Er, of course we all might be affected by it, but the ftpmasters would be affected *way* more by getting sued than *we* would be affected by their getting sued, so I think it's ridiculously presumptuous to criticize the Who should

Re: Bug#368371: ITP: gp2c -- PARI/GP GP to C compiler

2006-05-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 12:29:42AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 10:18:19PM +0200, Nacho Barrientos Arias wrote: IMHO, pari-gp-c or pari-gp2c could be better than 'gp2c' to avoid this namespace pollution, at your option. Good catch, I will consider this option. gp2c

Re: Mass bug filing: failure to use invoke-rc.d when required

2006-05-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 15 May 2006, Bastian Blank told this: On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 06:10:52AM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: I propose to file bugs against the packages before the end of this week, and, after a couple of weeks, for packages that haven't been fixed already, start making NMUs (via DELAYED/7, since

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Walter Landry
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:08:17AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Indeed, they will bear the *primary* liability. However if legal action is taken against them or our mirror operators because of their decision, the whole distribution process might

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Adam Warner
On Sun, 21 May 2006 23:25:28 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Adam Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 21 May 2006 20:20:09 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: It's an important document and certainly something that every developer should read and endeavor to follow where it makes sense, but things

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 08:01 +0200, Juergen A. Erhard wrote: Wow, thanks for telling us. I thought the Debian developers elected a DPL every year. Of course, since I'm not one, I got that wrong./sarcasm You seem to be thinking that a democracy equals that everyone has a say in every decision.

Bug#368430: ITP: cobalt-panel-utils -- System utilities for Sun Cobalt's LCD and LEDs

2006-05-22 Thread Le_Vert
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Adam Céile (Le_Vert) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm packaging theses tools, right now ! * Package name: cobalt-panel-utils Version : 1.0.2 Upstream Author : Jeff Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL :

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 19 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow outgrape: setools is in the list, and contains libraries that it uses itself, but does not break it up into multiple installed packages. Setools is moving rapidly rnough that I do not intend to

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 22:56 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 22:38 +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst a écrit : Given this legal background of yours, could you please help by using that to improve the licence, instead of just complaining about how others handled it? Please give

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 17:03 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : This is the whole point of the discussion. Not that I can see. Your preceding post focused on the *who* and the *how* of the decision, *not* on the what. This is all entangled. Had this decision been taken in a transparent way

Re: Multiarch preparations needed for etch dpkg

2006-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 10:27:35PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: - Allow arch specific depends I propose to use Depends: pkg:arch (= 1.2-3) as syntax for thses. While for etch no package should

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Meskes
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:26:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: [...] They didn't ask you because Debian is not a democracy and random opinions on this decision *don't* matter. Wow, thanks for telling us. I thought the Debian developers elected a DPL every year. Of course, since I'm not

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:26:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: That would make Debian, at most, a republic, not a democracy. Would you care to elaborate and explain it isn't a democratic republic then? Debian's delegate system makes it very strongly

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:25:35AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 17:03 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : No, I'm acknowledging that the ftpmasters have no obligation to do as *you* say. The ftp-masters aren't the ones trying to tell other people what to do in this

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Meskes
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 12:34:00PM -0500, Raphael Hertzog wrote: In that case, ftpmasters accepted it, end of discussion. You HAVE to accept decisions of delegates within Debian, that's how we can effectively work. But that means that ALL delegates have to be either elected or appointed by

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Meskes
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 04:04:37PM -0500, Raphael Hertzog wrote: No I don't answer to shut up. I answer to stop now because Anthony Tows responded to all the questions and give a precise course of action on how we can continue improving the situation concerning the java licensing. So he should

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 5/22/06, Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given the word estoppel only has meaning in jurisdictions deriving from English common law, I think it'd be silly to assume it works the way you think it does in any of the other jurisdictions

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 10:50 +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: Again this logic doesn't seem to work for me. If I was offering warez on my server I couldn't become legal again by just removing it. My prior action would still get me sued, doesn't it? And no, just saying I thought it was okay, doesn't

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/22/06, Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 10:50 +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: Again this logic doesn't seem to work for me. If I was offering warez on my server I couldn't become legal again by just removing it. My prior action would still get me sued, doesn't

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 22 mai 2006 à 10:46 +0200, Michael Meskes a écrit : And I'm pissed of that so much seems to happen behind the scenes and I as a normal developer who did not go to Mexico do not get the info even if I ask, but instead people are just told to shut up. Even people in Oaxtepec have learnt

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Lun 22 Mai 2006 01:46, Steve Langasek a écrit : On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:06:42AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: I personally thinks it hurts our users, and as a secondary effect, us. Beeing distributable is a property that should not be depends upon the time, the color of your hair, or

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Meskes
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 11:29:05AM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 10:50 +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: Again this logic doesn't seem to work for me. If I was offering warez on my server I couldn't become legal again by just removing it. My prior action would still get me

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Meskes
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:24:38AM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 08:01 +0200, Juergen A. Erhard wrote: Wow, thanks for telling us. I thought the Debian developers elected a DPL every year. Of course, since I'm not one, I got that wrong./sarcasm You seem to be

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Heya, Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Java flamewar] DPL, I wonder Why the Sun-Java package is not handled the same as any other package. What makes it so special that it deserves special treatment? Isn't this a discrimination against all other packages? :-) ACK. This is the most

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Meskes
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:51:21AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:26:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: That would make Debian, at most, a republic, not a democracy. Would you care to elaborate and explain it isn't a

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread MJ Ray
Adam Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] license agreement; and (f) you agree to defend and indemnify Sun and its licensors from and against any damages, costs, liabilities, settlement amounts and/or expenses (including attorneys' fees) incurred in connection with any claim, lawsuit or

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:50:22AM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 04:04:37PM -0500, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Fears are unfounded, we can at any time terminate the license by removing java! Again this logic doesn't seem to work for me. If I was offering warez on my

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 12:35:41PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: You are told by a programmer that you are allowed to offer their software on your server, but the programmer also tells you that his statement is legally not binding and the license says you are not allowed to offer it. Then you

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 12:03:25PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 22 mai 2006 à 10:46 +0200, Michael Meskes a écrit : And I'm pissed of that so much seems to happen behind the scenes and I as a normal developer who did not go to Mexico do not get the info even if I ask, but instead

Re: reportbug defaults [Re: Bug#367200: ITP: libemail-send-perl -- Simply Sending Email]

2006-05-22 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 17 May 2006, Henning Makholm wrote: How does sending directly to from reportbug to an ISP's smarthost validate the user's email address better than sending directly from reportbug to a HTTP POST somewhere? I'm talking about an HTTP access

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Alexander Sack
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 11:22:25AM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: Heya, Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Java flamewar] DPL, I wonder Why the Sun-Java package is not handled the same as any other package. What makes it so special that it deserves special treatment?

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Romain Beauxis
Hi! On Monday 22 May 2006 13:35, you wrote: They won't sue us for distributing Java. If they do, all we have to do is point the Judge to the press coverage of this change of license, and to the fact that Debian was mentioned as one of the distributors asked to please distribute Java.

Re: Unidentified subject!

2006-05-22 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Hex Star wrote: Hmmm...interesting...the other time someone posted something explicit and someone replied to it and pointed it out, everyone joined in and investigated it...this time the person who points it out gets criticized...go figure...I always get the short end of the stick... I

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 08:01:34AM +0200, Juergen A. Erhard wrote: On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 03:55:53PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: [...] They didn't ask you because Debian is not a democracy and random opinions on this decision *don't* matter.

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:59:21PM +0200, Alexander Sack wrote: I hope this special treatment has nothing to do with the sun-ubuntu deal announced a few days ago. What relationship could you possibly suspect between this event and processing of this package in Debian's queue/new? -- - mdz

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Meskes
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:35:33PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: The difference would be that while you would act against the original author's wishes if you were to put warez on your server, the same isn't true about Sun Java. In fact, Sun explicitely asked us to please distribute their

Re: Changing the default syslogd (again...)

2006-05-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Florian Weimer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Nathanael Nerode: (2) Upstream status. There hasn't been a new upstream for sysklogd since 2001. All of the others are active upstream. Have you checked if SuSE's syslog-ng is heavily patched? If it's mostly alright, it's probably a good

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Meskes
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:39:47PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 12:35:41PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: You are told by a programmer that you are allowed to offer their software on your server, but the programmer also tells you that his statement is legally not

Bug#368452: ITP: libgeo-postcode-perl -- UK Postcode validation and location

2006-05-22 Thread Dominic Hargreaves
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dominic Hargreaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: libgeo-postcode-perl Version : 0.15 Upstream Author : William Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Geo-Postcode/ * License : Dual GPL/Artistic

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Brett Parker
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:39:47PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 12:35:41PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: You are told by a programmer that you are allowed to offer their software on your server, but the programmer also tells you that his statement is legally not

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Frank Küster
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:59:21PM +0200, Alexander Sack wrote: I hope this special treatment has nothing to do with the sun-ubuntu deal announced a few days ago. What relationship could you possibly suspect between this event and processing of this

Re: SYLN Sylvan

2006-05-22 Thread Wilbert Dillon
Cade, http://au.geocities.com/matriarch85106 Wilbert Dillon, Ref. qqz7978 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:47:01PM +0200, Romain Beauxis wrote: On Monday 22 May 2006 13:35, you wrote: They won't sue us for distributing Java. If they do, all we have to do is point the Judge to the press coverage of this change of license, and to the fact that Debian was mentioned as one

Regarding podbrowser

2006-05-22 Thread Ernesto Hernández-Novich
Hi. I reported [1] over a month ago, and also fixed it with some i18n on the side. I've also looked at [2] and solved it, however packing some additional Perl modules. I'm only a maintainer, my uploads being sponsored by David Moreno Garza. How should I proceed in order to at least get [1] fixed

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 02:43:31PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:35:33PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Try as I might, and considering how lawyers and judges are human beings and not automatons, I can't see any realistic scenario in which we could be sued and lose

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Meskes
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 03:34:39PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: What, prey tell, does Debian do in relation to the non-free archive that does not involve distributing? Sorry for not being precise enough. I was talking about the indemnify clause that worries me. And you cannot get rid of this

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Frank Küster
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 02:43:31PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:35:33PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Try as I might, and considering how lawyers and judges are human beings and not automatons, I can't see any realistic

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
Josselin Mouette skrev: They are the ones to tell other people what to do in general. Uh, they do? I must have missed my list of assigned tasks from the ftp-master team, then. [...] They are the ones preventing me from working on GNOME 2.14 because packages are stuck in NEW. Nobody is

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 22 May 2006, Juergen A. Erhard verbalised: On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 03:55:53PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: [...] They didn't ask you because Debian is not a democracy and random opinions on this decision *don't* matter. Wow, thanks for telling us. I thought the Debian developers elected

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 22 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow outgrape: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 19 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow outgrape: setools is in the list, and contains libraries that it uses itself, but does not break it up into multiple installed packages. Setools is moving rapidly

Re: id gives conflicting results

2006-05-22 Thread Juha Jäykkä
Juha These are different, why? According to man id id and id Juha currently logged on user are the same. The first one shows the groups that are assigned to the current process, the second one shows the default list of groups the user will get when logging in again. Ach, I did not

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-22 Thread Jörg Sommer
Hello Wouter, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 04:49:49PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On 5/19/06, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would they have to work with dash? If the difference in speed is indeed that insane, that's nice. I've received

Re: pbuilder, and why not...

2006-05-22 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi Eduard, Am 2006-05-14 11:26:48, schrieb Eduard Bloch: a) unbuildable b) uninstallable Only in the hands of unworthy[tm]. Not realy... Right solution is to use pbuilder, which will: a) always ensure that package can be built using unstable b) keep your build environment clean

Re: Use pbuilder, Luke... (Was: cleaning up lib*-dev packages?)

2006-05-22 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-05-14 18:19:56, schrieb Carlo Segre: even better, just put the pbuilder/result in a user-readable and writable volume (/home/pbuilder for example) and run pbuilder as a normal user all the time. This is what I do. Greetings Michelle Konzack -- Linux-User #280138 with the

Re: Use pbuilder, Luke... (Was: cleaning up lib*-dev packages?)

2006-05-22 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-05-14 23:08:09, schrieb Hamish Moffatt: Without wishing to join the mob, e) it's difficult to install versions of packages not available from your regular sources.list. For example if you build a new (version of a) library package and then an application that uses it and want to

Bug#368511: Removal of libgtk1.2 ruby bindings (meta-bug)

2006-05-22 Thread Loïc Minier
Package: general Severity: wishlist Hi, I wish we could stop shipping the Ruby bindings for libgtk1.2. (libgtk1.2 being completely obsolete) The rdepends show: bee% apt-cache rdepends libgdk-imlib-ruby1.6 libgtk-ruby1.6 libglade-ruby1.6 libgdk-pixbuf-ruby1.6 libart-ruby1.6

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Mike Bird
On Monday 22 May 2006 06:56, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:47:01PM +0200, Romain Beauxis wrote: On Monday 22 May 2006 13:35, you wrote: Try as I might, and considering how lawyers and judges are human beings and not automatons, I can't see any realistic scenario in

Bug#368542: ITP: libcolt-java -- libraries for scientific and technical computing in Java

2006-05-22 Thread Charles Fry
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Charles Fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: libcolt-java Version : Upstream Author : Wolfgang Hoschek [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://dsd.lbl.gov/~hoschek/colt/ * License : BSD(ish) and LGPL Programming Lang: Java

use of invoke-rc.d $PACKAGE stop || exit $? in prerm scripts

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Prokop
Hello, this issue has been discussed some time ago: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/08/msg00299.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/08/msg00298.html I would like to hear your current opinion about this topic. IMHO removing a package should just work and currently this

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:51:21AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: And whether it's a democratic republic or some other form of hybrid mostly depends on whether you consider ftp-master to be a delegate position or a somewhat independent check, a question

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Daniel Stone
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:08:17AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: By reading your email, I feel you are acknowledging the fact the ftp-masters cabal (I can't name it otherwise after seeing their behavior IRL) is treating other developers as second-class contributors who should just do as they

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 22 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow outgrape: I think that Policy 8.2 is fully applicable to your package then. It is a MUST directive so your unwillingness to allow multiple versions of your library to coexist does not affect the violation.

Re: id gives conflicting results

2006-05-22 Thread Scott J. Henson
Juha Jäykkä wrote: Hi! I was digging around a problem with a user not being able to access his cdrom even though the user belongs to group cdrom (as reported by groups user) and the cdrom device is mode rw- group cdrom. It was immediately clear this is a libnss-ldap issue, since the problem

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 04:48:50PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember that for non-free, we provide no guarantee except for the notice that we're allowed to distribute. We don't even guarantee that some end-user might actually be legally allowed to

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 21 May 2006 23:25:28 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Adam Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're correct. So can you give reasonable and legitimate reasons why one might not wish to follow the you must guidelines in this instance? Two, actually.

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 08:34:22AM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: the project by not consulting you first is so much bullshit, because *they* are the ones who bear the primary liability from distributing these packages, and other developers (as opposed to mirror operators) bear none at all.

Processed: Re: Removal of libgtk1.2 ruby bindings (meta-bug)

2006-05-22 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: reassign 368511 gnome-ruby Bug#368511: Removal of libgtk1.2 ruby bindings (meta-bug) Bug reassigned from package `general' to `gnome-ruby'. block 368511 by 368512 Bug#368511: Removal of libgtk1.2 ruby bindings (meta-bug) Was not blocked by any bugs.

Re: use of invoke-rc.d $PACKAGE stop || exit $? in prerm scripts

2006-05-22 Thread Florian Weimer
* Michael Prokop: Using: invoke-rc.d $PACKAGE stop || true /etc/init.d/$PACKAGE stop || true would be a replacement already used in some packages like for example at, binfmt-support, dnsmasq, drbd0.7-utils, freeradius, hal, scanlogd, sl-modem-daemon, snort. I suppose it would be

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 21 May 2006 15:55:53 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: They didn't ask you because Debian is not a democracy and random opinions on this decision *don't* matter. What is it, then? A constitutional monarchy? -- :-( This Universe is buggy! Where's the Creator's BTS? ;-)

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 22 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow stated: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 22 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow outgrape: I think that Policy 8.2 is fully applicable to your package then. It is a MUST directive so your unwillingness to allow multiple versions of your library to

Re: Changing the default syslogd (again...)

2006-05-22 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 07:38:10AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: (...) Issues: (1) Quality. sysklogd has 105 open bugs: 3 important (1 with patch), 43 normal (11 with patches), 11 minor (4 with patches), and 19 wishlist (some of which are really quite important, such as 44523) Please, when

Accepted pptpd 1.3.0-1 (source i386)

2006-05-22 Thread Rene Mayrhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:09:31 + Source: pptpd Binary: bcrelay pptpd Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.3.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Rene Mayrhofer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Rene Mayrhofer [EMAIL

Accepted scgi 1.10-1 (source i386)

2006-05-22 Thread Neil Schemenauer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 05:48:38 + Source: scgi Binary: libapache-mod-scgi libapache2-mod-scgi python2.4-scgi Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.10-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Neil Schemenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted qglviewer 1.4-3 (source i386)

2006-05-22 Thread Andrew Pollock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 22:49:20 -0700 Source: qglviewer Binary: libqglviewer1 libqglviewer-dev Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.4-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian QA Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Andrew

Accepted desktop-profiles 1.4.12 (source all)

2006-05-22 Thread cobaco
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:21:07 +0200 Source: desktop-profiles Binary: desktop-profiles Architecture: source all Version: 1.4.12 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Bart Cornelis (cobaco) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Bart

Accepted motor 2:3.4.0-6 (source all i386)

2006-05-22 Thread eloy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:31:16 +0200 Source: motor Binary: motor motor-fribidi motor-common Architecture: source all i386 Version: 2:3.4.0-6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Krzysztof Krzyzaniak (eloy) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted logilab-astng 0.16.0-1 (source all)

2006-05-22 Thread Sylvain Thénault
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:13:42 +0200 Source: logilab-astng Binary: python-logilab-astng Architecture: source all Version: 0.16.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Sylvain Thenault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Sylvain

Accepted cccc 3.pre84-2 (source powerpc)

2006-05-22 Thread Colin Watson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:20:03 +0100 Source: Binary: Architecture: source powerpc Version: 3.pre84-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted pylint 0.11.0-1 (source all)

2006-05-22 Thread Sylvain Thénault
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:10:47 +0200 Source: pylint Binary: pylint Architecture: source all Version: 0.11.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Sylvain Thenault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Sylvain Thénault [EMAIL

Accepted logilab-common 0.16.0-1 (source all)

2006-05-22 Thread Sylvain Thénault
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:20:03 +0200 Source: logilab-common Binary: python-logilab-common Architecture: source all Version: 0.16.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Alexandre Fayolle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Sylvain

Accepted qbankmanager 0.9.37-1 (source i386)

2006-05-22 Thread Micha Lenk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:33:03 +0200 Source: qbankmanager Binary: qbankmanager Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9.37-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Micha Lenk [EMAIL

Accepted xen-tools 1.4-2 (source all)

2006-05-22 Thread Steve Kemp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:04:21 + Source: xen-tools Binary: xen-tools Architecture: source all Version: 1.4-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Radu Spineanu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted xcircuit 3.6.24-1 (source i386)

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Ablassmeier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:08:25 +0200 Source: xcircuit Binary: xcircuit Architecture: source i386 Version: 3.6.24-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian QA Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Michael Ablassmeier [EMAIL

Accepted debsums 2.0.28 (source all)

2006-05-22 Thread Brendan O'Dea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:16:07 +1000 Source: debsums Binary: debsums Architecture: source all Version: 2.0.28 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Brendan O'Dea [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Brendan O'Dea [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted gtksourceview 1.6.1-2 (source all i386)

2006-05-22 Thread Loic Minier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:33:57 +0200 Source: gtksourceview Binary: libgtksourceview-dev libgtksourceview-common libgtksourceview1.0-0 libgtksourceview-doc Architecture: source all i386 Version: 1.6.1-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency:

Accepted mlmmj 1.2.11-5 (source i386 all)

2006-05-22 Thread Søren Boll Overgaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:18:06 + Source: mlmmj Binary: mlmmj-php-web mlmmj-php-web-admin mlmmj Architecture: source i386 all Version: 1.2.11-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Søren Boll Overgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted vim 1:7.0-017+4 (source all i386)

2006-05-22 Thread James Vega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 21:57:31 -0400 Source: vim Binary: vim-full vim-lesstif vim-common vim-gnome vim-doc vim-runtime vim vim-gtk vim-perl vim-ruby vim-gui-common vim-tiny vim-python vim-tcl Architecture: source all i386 Version:

Accepted rhythmbox 0.9.4.1-6 (source i386)

2006-05-22 Thread Loic Minier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:30:25 +0200 Source: rhythmbox Binary: rhythmbox Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9.4.1-6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Loic Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Loic Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted libavc1394 0.5.3-1 (source i386)

2006-05-22 Thread Daniel Kobras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:03:24 +0200 Source: libavc1394 Binary: libavc1394-0 libavc1394-dev Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.5.3-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Daniel Kobras [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Daniel

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