Re: Place to submit scripts useful for Debian

2006-07-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Daniel Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.07.25.0324 +0100]: > I have written a script that I think would be useful in Debian. It > seems excessive to make a package for for it, but a quick google for > 'debian scripts' didn't turn up any convenient websites or > repositories, so I th

ITA: lcdproc

2006-07-24 Thread José Luis Tallón
Hi all, In agreement with the current maintainer, Jonathan Oxer, I will take over maintainership of lcdproc. As per his wishes, he will continue to be co-maintainer (uploader) for the time being. This is mostly to let ftpmasters know that he has indeed agreed to these terms so that the up

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread Michal Čihař
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:54:15 +0200 Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I both cases, the circular dependency would be useful to avoid > installing the common data without the software. Consequently, when > you apt-get remove the software, you don't get an orphan data package. You can then ap

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread Miles Bader
Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Consequently, when you apt-get remove the software, you don't get an > orphan data package. ... though perhaps aptitude's method of doing this is cleaner (automatically removing unneeded packages). -Miles -- .Numeric stability is probably not all that im

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 04:39:24AM +0200, David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 06:32:54PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > Steve Greenland wrote: > > > This really seems like something that while they may, very occasionally, > > > be required, are mostly unnecessary and

Re: Bug#379673: ITP: pybridge-common -- A free online bridge game. (common files)

2006-07-24 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi David, David Watson wrote: > * Package name: pybridge-common are you planning to ship three different *source* packages? If so, why? (ITPs are filed per source package, but on a first glance, a single source package with multiple binaries should be more appropriate.) Kind regards T. -- T

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread Thomas Viehmann
David Weinehall wrote: > Well, if foo depends on foo-data, and foo-data depends on foo, I find > it really hard to see the point of splitting the two into distinctive > packages... Because libfoo7 bumps sonames and foo-data will have files in the same location. Kind regards T. -- Thomas Viehmann

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread Joey Hess
David Weinehall wrote: > Well, if foo depends on foo-data, and foo-data depends on foo, I find > it really hard to see the point of splitting the two into distinctive > packages... There are lots of valid reasons to do it; tasksel and tasksel-data split to make it easier for derivatives to replace

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread David Weinehall
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:42:39AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Well, if foo depends on foo-data, and foo-data depends on foo, I find > > it really hard to see the point of splitting the two into distinctive > > packages... > > It could be useful if f

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread Miles Bader
David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, if foo depends on foo-data, and foo-data depends on foo, I find > it really hard to see the point of splitting the two into distinctive > packages... It could be useful if foo-data is very large, but changes rarely, whereas foo is small, but chan

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread David Weinehall
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 06:32:54PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Steve Greenland wrote: > > This really seems like something that while they may, very occasionally, > > be required, are mostly unnecessary and often misused. > > Rather, I'd characterise it as a feature that is necessary for any > gener

Place to submit scripts useful for Debian

2006-07-24 Thread Daniel Dickinson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have written a script that I think would be useful in Debian. It seems excessive to make a package for for it, but a quick google for 'debian scripts' didn't turn up any convenient websites or repositories, so I thought I'd ask here where would be a

Re: Bug#379475: [Etch] Should sysfsutils be added to the base system?

2006-07-24 Thread Otavio Salvador
Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 25 July 2006 01:42, Marco d'Itri wrote: >> Which packages actually use it, and why? >> What can it do that "echo $VALUE > /sys$DEVPATH/attribute" and similar >> commands cannot do? >> >> What is the point of having an abstraction layer for a publ

Re: Bug#379475: [Etch] Should sysfsutils be added to the base system?

2006-07-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 01:42, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Which packages actually use it, and why? > What can it do that "echo $VALUE > /sys$DEVPATH/attribute" and similar > commands cannot do? > > What is the point of having an abstraction layer for a published and > already widely used API? > > I ob

Bug#379675: ITP: pybridge-server -- A free online bridge game. (server)

2006-07-24 Thread David Watson
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: pybridge-server Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Michael Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://pybridge.sourceforge.net * License : GPL Programming Lang: Python Des

Bug#379676: ITP: vbindiff -- visual binary diff, visually compare binary files

2006-07-24 Thread Miriam Ruiz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: vbindiff Version : 3.0 beta 1 Upstream Author : Christopher J. Madsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://home.comcast.net/~chris-madsen/vbindiff/ * License : GPL Programmi

Re: Bug#379663: ITP: bincmp -- utility to compare two binary files

2006-07-24 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 10:58:09PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote: > bincmp allows to quickly compare two binary files printing the offset and > the bytes where the files differ. It should run on just about anything and > it might even support large files (> 4GB) if your system does LFS properly. Doe

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Greenland wrote: > This really seems like something that while they may, very occasionally, > be required, are mostly unnecessary and often misused. Rather, I'd characterise it as a feature that is necessary for any general-purpose depencency-based system to be complete[1], which is totally

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.07.24.2253 +0100]: > Well, what is the reason to conflict on itself? It makes sense for > conflict on provides for virtual packages, but on the real package? An upgrade is the same as removing the old and installing the new package, so other than

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Greenland wrote: > Sure, it allows some one to install foo-data without the program that > uses it? So what? It's unlikely to happen by accident, and annoying to > those doing it intentionally. (Just like those foo-docs that depend on > foo, although they are mostly fixed, now.) I don't buy

Bug#379673: ITP: pybridge-common -- A free online bridge game. (common files)

2006-07-24 Thread David Watson
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: pybridge-common Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Michael Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://pybridge.sourceforge.net * License : GPL Programming Lang: Python Des

Bug#379670: ITP: pybridge -- A free online bridge game.

2006-07-24 Thread David Watson
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: pybridge Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Michael Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://pybridge.sourceforge.net * License : GPL Programming Lang: Python Descriptio

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-24 Thread Andreas Barth
* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060724 23:28]: > also sprach Fabio Tranchitella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.07.24.2204 +0100]: > > I've noticed that some packages conflict or depend on themself. As far > > as I know, this makes no sense and the dependency (of conflict) should > > be removed,

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 24-Jul-06, 11:15 (CDT), Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You persist in using the word `fix'. But that's not correct. There > is NOTHING WRONG with circular dependencies per se. > > Of course particular instances of circular dependencies might be > problematic. I would try to avoid

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Fabio Tranchitella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.07.24.2204 +0100]: > I've noticed that some packages conflict or depend on themself. As far > as I know, this makes no sense and the dependency (of conflict) should > be removed, but I prefer to ask here before filing useless bug reports.

Re: debian-admin CVS, tarballs available

2006-07-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 24 July 2006 23:00, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > The "webwml" repository is available via pserver (cf > /org/cvs.debian.org/cvs-pserver.conf) so I don't see a reason to > provide the same service to other CVS repositories. > > Or were you thinking about something else? No. I misread your ori

Re: Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-24 Thread Jan C. Nordholz
Hi, > I've noticed that some packages conflict or depend on themself. As far > as I know, this makes no sense and the dependency (of conflict) should > be removed, but I prefer to ask here before filing useless bug reports. > > This is a list of the packages: > [...] > unison: > Conflicts on

Bug#379663: ITP: bincmp -- utility to compare two binary files

2006-07-24 Thread Miriam Ruiz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: bincmp Version : 1.6 Upstream Author : Guralp Systems <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.guralp.net/software/tools/bincmp/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Descri

debian-www pserver access (was: Re: debian-admin CVS, tarballs available)

2006-07-24 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/24/2006 06:00 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Frans Pop wrote: >>On Monday 24 July 2006 22:28, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >>> And since the web interface [1] also doesn't provide any nice way to >>> download the content of the repos

Self-conflicts and self-depends

2006-07-24 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Hello, I've noticed that some packages conflict or depend on themself. As far as I know, this makes no sense and the dependency (of conflict) should be removed, but I prefer to ask here before filing useless bug reports. This is a list of the packages: avr-libc: Conflicts on avr-libc ( ) ct

Re: debian-admin CVS, tarballs available

2006-07-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Frans Pop wrote: > On Monday 24 July 2006 22:28, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > And since the web interface [1] also doesn't provide any nice way to > > download the content of the repository I just hacked a little script > > that I've put in my crontab on gluck: it checkouts (in r

Re: debian-admin CVS, tarballs available

2006-07-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 24 July 2006 22:28, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > And since the web interface [1] also doesn't provide any nice way to > download the content of the repository I just hacked a little script > that I've put in my crontab on gluck: it checkouts (in read-only mode) > the various repositories and

debian-admin CVS, tarballs available

2006-07-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, the debian-admin CVS repository is not accessible via pserver. After some discussion with Joey, it looks like it's a choice of DSA rather than a mistake (security concern with pserver implementation probably). And since the web interface [1] also doesn't provide any nice way to download the

Re: Challenge: Binary free uploading

2006-07-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 12:00:56PM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 08:14:48PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > For starters, we'd need a *lot* of hardware to be able to do all these > > builds. Many of them will fail, because there *will* be people who will > > neglect to te

Bug#379649: ITP: vos -- platform for multiuser 3D virtual reality worlds and application

2006-07-24 Thread Benjamin Mesing
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Benjamin Mesing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: vos Version : 0.23.0 Upstream Author : Peter Amstutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://interreality.org/ * License : mostly LGPL, some GPL Programming Lang: C++ Des

Re: Message could not be delivered

2006-07-24 Thread Kees van Gameren
- Original Message - From: To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Message could not be delivered Deze e-mail is door E-mail Virus Scan van Het Net gecontroleerd op virussen. Zie voor meer informatie: http://www.hetnet.nl/evs/ Een aan u verstuurd e-mai

Bug#379644: ITP: libewf -- Expert Witness File Format Tools

2006-07-24 Thread Kenny Duffus
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Kenny Duffus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libewf Version : 20060708-1 Upstream Author : Joachim Metz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : https://www.uitwisselplatform.nl/projects/libewf/ * License : BSD Description :

Bug#379643: ITP: afflib -- Tools to use AFF segmented archive files

2006-07-24 Thread Kenny Duffus
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Kenny Duffus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: afflib Version : 1.6.28 Upstream Author : Simson L. Garfinkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.afflib.org/ * License : BSD Description : Tools to use AFF segment

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Loïc Minier writes ("Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5"): > I fail to see how the circular depends between tasksel and tasksel-data > would cause any bug though. I agree it's best to fix circular deps in > general, but it's not necessarily required each time. You persist in usi

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes ("Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5"): > I see you have not fully followed through on reading policy > here: [quote] Quite. > Clearly, dpkg authors have read all of policy, including the > caveats about circular dependencies. This is

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-24 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 12:43:16PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Milan P. Stanic wrote: > > But then you must change all symlinks to that new real certificate. > > That's why on my systems all the service names symlink to > thishost.{pem,key} and that is itself a symlink to

Bug#379568: ITP: scatterchat -- gaim clone with encryption and anonymity enhancements

2006-07-24 Thread Christian Hammers
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Christian Hammers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: scatterchat Version : 1.0.1 Upstream Author : [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.scatterchat.com/ * License : GPL Description : gaim clone with encryption and a

RE: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-24 Thread Nigel Jones
> -Original Message- > From: Loïc Minier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 24 July 2006 2:32 a.m. > To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5 > > On Sun, Jul 23, 2006, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le dimanche 23 juillet 2006 à 0

Re: Challenge: Binary free uploading

2006-07-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 08:14:48PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > For starters, we'd need a *lot* of hardware to be able to do all these > builds. Many of them will fail, because there *will* be people who will > neglect to test their builds, and they will hog the machine so that > other people (w

Re: Configuration file shadowed?

2006-07-24 Thread Frank Küster
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The later is not so clear to me -- the distinction is blurred > a bit, but I tend to agree than not. How does one feel about a LaTeX > package that sets up a default output style, and the user prefers a > different one? If there is a way to

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-24 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Milan P. Stanic wrote: > On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 08:37:50PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > Milan P. Stanic wrote: > > > Sorry if I misunderstand something, but is it okay to call it snakeoil > > > if it is real certificate? I like to say that the symbolic links for > > > per

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-24 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 08:37:50PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > Milan P. Stanic wrote: > > Sorry if I misunderstand something, but is it okay to call it snakeoil > > if it is real certificate? I like to say that the symbolic links for > > per-service certificate shouldn't point to something calle