Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Brian May [Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:22:55 +1000]: > > > Adeodate> Also, do you remember having root > > Adeodato> bzr as root? > > > Huh? > > Sorry, that should have read: "do you remember having *run* bzr as root". > It's the most likely cause fo

RE: Debian ISOs

2006-08-27 Thread Anthony L. Bryan
> Le jeudi 17 août 2006 à 11:48 -0400, Anthony L. Bryan a écrit : > > Metalinks might be helpful on Debian's download page for > CD/DVD images. You > > could have a single quick link to your ISOs that contains all the > > mirror/p2p/checksum info in it. > > > > Metalinks, a cross platform vendor

Re: Problem sending to Alioth lists?

2006-08-27 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 08:06:37AM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Roberto C. Sanchez [Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:45:30 -0400]: > > > Interesting. My previous attempt at solving this was to have mutt > > explicitly set the Return-Path header. However, it did not work. I > > don't know if it was becaus

Re: Problem sending to Alioth lists?

2006-08-27 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Roberto C. Sanchez [Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:45:30 -0400]: > Interesting. My previous attempt at solving this was to have mutt > explicitly set the Return-Path header. However, it did not work. I > don't know if it was because postfix on my gateway host stripped it or > rewrote it, or if it is jus

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Bruce Sass
On Sun August 27 2006 18:55, you wrote: > Deferring to Ubuntu for this work is the worst sort of defeatist > nonsense and I will not to bow to it. I like collaborating with the > Ubuntu people, but I refuse to compromise my own work or Debian as a > project just so that they can excel. I think you

Re: Problem sending to Alioth lists?

2006-08-27 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 07:38:56AM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Martijn van Oosterhout [Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:22:40 +0200]: > > > I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think it matters what domain, the > > address just has to exist. I think that they're checking your Sender > > header (which is where bo

Re: Problem sending to Alioth lists?

2006-08-27 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 07:22:40AM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think it matters what domain, the > address just has to exist. I think that they're checking your Sender > header (which is where bounces get sent) for validity. I remember > dealing with thi

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Sander Marechal
David Nusinow wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:37:58PM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote: >> On Sun August 27 2006 06:47, Sander Marechal wrote: >>> * Desktop - basic: Simple minimal GNOME installation pretty much as >>> it is now, maybe with even less software preinstalled. (I was >>> surprised by the am

Re: Problem sending to Alioth lists?

2006-08-27 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Martijn van Oosterhout [Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:22:40 +0200]: > I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think it matters what domain, the > address just has to exist. I think that they're checking your Sender > header (which is where bounces get sent) for validity. Almost. They're checking his envelope-from

Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-27 Thread Brian May
> "Adeodato" == Adeodato <"=?utf-8?B?U2ltw7M=?=" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > writes: Adeodato> Sorry, that should have read: "do you remember having Adeodato> *run* bzr as root". It's the most likely cause for Adeodato> those .pyc files to be there, since bzrtools did not. No -

Re: Problem sending to Alioth lists?

2006-08-27 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 8/28/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What the message suggests to me is that the other machines in your > domain should be using address rewriting if they are sending from > unroutable addresses. Except that there are multiple domains hosted from my network. Which should

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread David Nusinow
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:37:58PM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote: > On Sun August 27 2006 06:47, Sander Marechal wrote: > > * Desktop - basic: Simple minimal GNOME installation pretty much as > > it is now, maybe with even less software preinstalled. (I was > > surprised by the ammount of software that c

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Bruce Sass
On Sun August 27 2006 06:47, Sander Marechal wrote: > Hendrik Sattler wrote: > > It's all about expectations. Always keep in mind that the target > > group differs a lot between Ubuntu and Debian. > > I wouldn't say they differ. Ubuntu targets only a small subset of > Debian users. Maybe Debian sho

Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-27 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Brian May [Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:22:55 +1000]: > Adeodate> Also, do you remember having root > Adeodato> bzr as root? > Huh? Sorry, that should have read: "do you remember having *run* bzr as root". It's the most likely cause for those .pyc files to be there, since bzrtools did not. Tha

Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-27 Thread Brian May
> "Adeodato" == Adeodato <"=?utf-8?B?U2ltw7M=?=" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > writes: Adeodato> Hm. I'd say that you have .pyc files left in: Adeodato> Adeodato> /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib/plugins/bzrtools Adeodato> Can you check, please? Yes, see below. Ad

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Crilly wrote: > On 08/26/06 03:26:12PM +, Sam Morris wrote: >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:02:04 +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: >>> Am Samstag 26 August 2006 15:15 schrieb Theodore Tso: No support for: (The * are critical) * SATA Hard

Re: Problem sending to Alioth lists?

2006-08-27 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 02:18:12AM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Roberto C. Sanchez said: > > Is the mailing list software on Alioth broken or misconfigured? If I > > send from any host on my network other than the one which happens to be > > the mail server, I get this

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Jim Crilly
On 08/26/06 03:26:12PM +, Sam Morris wrote: > On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:02:04 +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > > Am Samstag 26 August 2006 15:15 schrieb Theodore Tso: > >> No support for: (The * are critical) > >> > >>* SATA Hard Drives (*) > >>* Intel AD1981 HD Audio (*) > > > > This stuf

Re: Problem sending to Alioth lists?

2006-08-27 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Roberto C. Sanchez said: > Is the mailing list software on Alioth broken or misconfigured? If I > send from any host on my network other than the one which happens to be > the mail server, I get this error when I send to an Alioth list: > > Aug 27 17:26:48 santiago po

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Knut Yrvin
Søndag 27 august 2006 23:48, skrev Hendrik Sattler: > > - Kernel 2.16.2  (2.6.15) > > That cannot be correct. Correction. I forgot the digit #6 : Kernel 2.6.16-2 (2.6.15) - K

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 8/28/06, Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am Sonntag 27 August 2006 23:30 schrieb Knut Yrvin: > A list of version numbers on important software packages on the test > version of Debian-edu/Skolelinux (The Kubuntu Dapper version number in > parenthesis): > > - Kernel 2.16.2 (2.6.15)

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Sonntag 27 August 2006 23:30 schrieb Knut Yrvin: > A list of version numbers on important software packages on the test > version of Debian-edu/Skolelinux (The Kubuntu Dapper version number in > parenthesis): > > - Kernel 2.16.2  (2.6.15) That cannot be correct. HS

Problem sending to Alioth lists?

2006-08-27 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Is the mailing list software on Alioth broken or misconfigured? If I send from any host on my network other than the one which happens to be the mail server, I get this error when I send to an Alioth list: Aug 27 17:26:48 santiago postfix/smtp[23682]: 4A8002403D: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=lis

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Knut Yrvin
Lørdag 26 august 2006 15:15, skrev Theodore Tso: > No support for: (The * are critical) > > * SATA Hard Drives (*) > * IPW3945 wireless (*) > * Intel AD1981 HD Audio (*) > * 3D Graphics support on the ATI FireGL V5200 card > (propietary kernel module)

Re: One non-DD's thoughts on dfsg-freeness and firmware

2006-08-27 Thread Felipe Sateler
Marco d'Itri wrote: > So you clearly show to not understand the issue: almost every piece of > hardware uses a non-free firmware. Either uploaded after power-on or > semi-permanently stored on it. But then again, Debian doesn't ship that hardware. -- Felipe Sateler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email t

Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-27 Thread Adeodato Simó
Version: 0.9-1 * Brian May [Sun, 27 Aug 2006 17:43:24 +1000]: > Robert> Could you please run 'bzr upgrade' while using bzr > Robert> 0.9rc1. If my guess at your situation is right this will > Robert> take a while to run, but correct your performance issues. > >> Did I do somethin

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-08-27 Thread Benjamin Mesing
[It's been a while since this message hit the debtags-devel list, thus I include an almost full quote as well as CCing the participants of the discussion, please follow up on debtags-devel@ or CC it in responses] [Response below] On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 17:14 +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: > The f

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Christian Pernegger
This stuff did not even exist when Sarge was released. Half of userland would not fit this hardware, so who cares. Everyone who would like to install a stable Debian release on hardware currently available for purchase. And this non-free stuff is nothing to discuss about. Good for you - pe

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Christian Pernegger
maybe backports should be considered a 1st class part of Debian; so in addition to old-stable, stable, testing, and unstable, we could add, "stable-useful". The fact of the matter is that the stable distribution today is pretty much useless for desktop users, and useless for people who need to in

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Sander Marechal
Hendrik Sattler wrote: >>> - something useful like ifplugd was not installed and the user was >>> puzzled by the fact that plugging in the network cable did not >>> result in network access >> I agree that it would be nice if ifplugd or laptop-net were installed >> by default, but last I checked De

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 12:03:25PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > Am Sonntag 27 August 2006 07:05 schrieb Theodore Tso: > > >From the menubar. System --> Administration --> Synaptic Package Manager > > Funny, Synaptic was not installed but something called adept. Guess what you > have to do to

Re: python-minimal in base?

2006-08-27 Thread Brendan O'Dea
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 01:45:26AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: >[...] upstream considered it completely unacceptable for anyone to >ship python in such a state that users would end up with less than the >full python suite installed on their system. [...] In fairness, Perl upstream had similar pr

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Sam Morris
So can we do this? Load kernel modules or even extra udebs from a CD/floppy/usb stick/URL that the user provides during the installation process? Now I think about it, I seem to remember doing this back with boot-floppies, to get an e1000 network controller to be recognised by the installer, IIRC.

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Sonntag 27 August 2006 07:05 schrieb Theodore Tso: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 04:02:04PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > > - installer did not read in the CDs for package lists and the GUI does > > not even support this (or for any other means of modifying > > /etc/apt/sources.list) > > > >From t

Re: One non-DD's thoughts on dfsg-freeness and firmware

2006-08-27 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 11:09:39PM -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > I know previously I said I thought that firmware didn't matter for > freeness, but I've been convinced by the arguments here that I was > wrong. Anyway, what I really wanted to say is [...] I don't think this is on-topic on debia

Re: One non-DD's thoughts on dfsg-freeness and firmware

2006-08-27 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 27, Daniel Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know previously I said I thought that firmware didn't matter for > freeness, but I've been convinced by the arguments here that I was > wrong. Anyway, what I really wanted to say is that as a user (who > hopes to get time to contribute, m

Re: centralized bzr (Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools)

2006-08-27 Thread Brian May
> "Adeodato" == Adeodato <"=?utf-8?B?U2ltw7M=?=" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > writes: Robert> Could you please run 'bzr upgrade' while using bzr Robert> 0.9rc1. If my guess at your situation is right this will Robert> take a while to run, but correct your performance issues. >

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-08-27 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 01:05:56AM -0400, Theodore Tso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree that it would be nice if ifplugd or laptop-net were installed > by default, but last I checked Debian didn't install either by > default, either. So what's your point? Aren't they part of the laptop task,