Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Brian May
> "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Wouter> Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:40:46 +0100 Wouter> You didn't fail basic math, did you? ;-) Just remember to subtract 1 hour, don't add it. I could imagine people getting this wrong. -- Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNS

Bug#417514: ITP: zope-ofolder -- A tiny layer above Folder providing ordering control

2007-04-02 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Bernd Zeimetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: zope-ofolder Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Dr. Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.dieter.handshake.de/pyprojects/zope/#bct_sec_3.6 * License : completel

Bug#417500: ITP: zope-managableindex -- Zope product providing indexes managable via the ZMI

2007-04-02 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Bernd Zeimetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: zope-managableindex Version : 1.6.1 Upstream Author : Dr. Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.dieter.handshake.de/pyprojects/zope/#ManagableIndex * License

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:11:23PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I share the feeling of "niceness" of the personal touch, but this isn't > a technical reason, and the point of uniforming a timezone so that it's > easier to compare dates among different changelog is definitely a valid > one. I

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 08:49:44PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote: > Hmm and my gut feeling is that the vast majority of maintainers just use > dch instead of manually writing the changelog skeleton (it's faster and > less error prone). But until we have verifiable numbers it's all moot. I tend to

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007, Bastian Venthur wrote: > Lars Wirzenius schrieb: > > My gut feeling is that there's more people who edit the timestamp > > manually than those who compare them mentally, so I'm in favor of > > maintaining status quo. > > Hmm and my gut feeling is that the vast majority of main

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Bastian Venthur
Lars Wirzenius schrieb: > My gut feeling is that there's more people who edit the timestamp > manually than those who compare them mentally, so I'm in favor of > maintaining status quo. Hmm and my gut feeling is that the vast majority of maintainers just use dch instead of manually writing the cha

Re: Debian cares more about documents than people

2007-04-02 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Mike Hommey schreef: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 10:45:06AM -0500, alfredo diega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >>On 9/21/06, Ben Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>- >>>I can see you're frustrated. You've invested a lot of energy into >>>writing this note to us about a problem you see in

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-04-02 at 19:26 +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > Given how easy it is to canonicalise the timestamp data, the fact that > it's data loss and the questionable utility of the information why is it > worth it? Maintaining status quo is easy. Making programs that compare timestamps understand tim

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:11:23PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I share the feeling of "niceness" of the personal touch, but this isn't > a technical reason, and the point of uniforming a timezone so that it's > easier to compare dates among different changelog is definitely a valid > one.

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Joey Hess
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > $ D="$(zgrep "^ -- " /usr/share/doc/apt/changelog.Debian.gz | \ > > > head -1 | sed "s/^.*> //")" > > $ date -uRd "$D" > > "Trivial" is something I can do without having the need of thinking > about an implementation of it. I guess you spent a couple of minutes > wri

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Joey Hess
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I share the feeling of "niceness" of the personal touch, but this isn't > a technical reason It's nice to know if an upload was made at 4:30 am local time, va 6 pm local time. It says something about the possible condition of the uploader. -- see shy jo signature.as

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 01:37:23PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > This is a nice idea. I think it should also be discussed on > > debian-devel and debian-policy. > > CCing -devel. For -policy I think it is too early (usualy, common practice is > stablished before Policy enforces it). > > Also

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:49:54 +0200 Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:31:37PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > That is not really a valid reason either because converting a timestamp > > from a changelog entry to any other timezone or format is trivial: > > > >

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 03:31:37PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > That is not really a valid reason either because converting a timestamp > from a changelog entry to any other timezone or format is trivial: > > $ D="$(zgrep "^ -- " /usr/share/doc/apt/changelog.Debian.gz | \ > > head -1 | sed "s/^.*>

patches.ubuntu.com and the Debian PTS derivatives

2007-04-02 Thread Scott James Remnant
As some of you may have noticed, the patches.ubuntu.com website and equivalent mailing of changes to the Debian PTS and ubuntu-patches mailing list has been offline, or at least intermittent, for a few weeks. This was caused by the hosting machine running out of disk space, and the Debian mirror w

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 02 April 2007 15:11, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I share the feeling of "niceness" of the personal touch, but this isn't > a technical reason, and the point of uniforming a timezone so that it's > easier to compare dates among different changelog is definitely a valid > one. That is not

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Monday 02 April 2007 14:11, Christoph Berg wrote: > Re: Robert Millan 2007-04-02 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Since dates written to changelogs are going to be read by people all > > > > over the world, IMHO it is better if these dates are in UTC to make > > > > it easier to figure out when it

Bug#417372: ITP: python-tagpy -- Python module for manipulating tags in music files.

2007-04-02 Thread Michal Čihař
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Michal Čihař" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: python-tagpy Version : 0.91 Upstream Author : Andreas Kloeckner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://news.tiker.net/software/tagpy * L

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 02:11:51PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote: > > > > Since dates written to changelogs are going to be read by people all > > > > over the > > > > world, IMHO it is better if these dates are in UTC to make it easier to > > > > figure out when it was uploaded in comparison to oth

Bug#417365: ITP: zope-advancedquery -- Zope product providing enhanced search functions

2007-04-02 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Bernd Zeimetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: zope-advancedquery Version : 2.2 Upstream Author : Dr. Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.dieter.handshake.de/pyprojects/zope/#AdvancedQuery * License :

Bug#417349: RFP: pandora -- Free Monitoring System

2007-04-02 Thread Axel Beckert
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Hi, the Pandora FMS (Free Monitoring System) seems to be a nice and modern alternative to Nagios and the not so free BigBrother (http://bb4.org/, http://bb4.com/), and perhaps also Zenoss (see ITPs at http://bugs.debian.org/361253 and http://bugs.debian.org/399530

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 02:11:51PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote: > Re: Robert Millan 2007-04-02 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Since dates written to changelogs are going to be read by people all > > > > over the > > > > world, IMHO it is better if these dates are in UTC to make it easier to > > > > f

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Robert Millan 2007-04-02 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Since dates written to changelogs are going to be read by people all over > > > the > > > world, IMHO it is better if these dates are in UTC to make it easier to > > > figure out when it was uploaded in comparison to other events (such as the

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 09:32:22AM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 09:48:13AM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > Package: devscripts > > Version: 2.9.26 > > Severity: wishlist > > Tags: patch > > > > Since dates written to changelogs are going to be read by people all over > >

Lame joke, explained

2007-04-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
This ITP was (obviously) an attempt at an April's Fool joke. Some time ago I played a bit with Markov Chains, which are a method for taking an input text, and generating output that uses words from the input, but is gibberish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_Chain). I got the idea that it would

Re: Slow package database

2007-04-02 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:10:55 +0200 Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there anything that I can do about it? Tuning the ext3 partition? Or is > somebody capable of turning the info directory into - say - an sqlite > database or in future Debian releases? There is a thread on debian-d

Re: Slow package database

2007-04-02 Thread Christoph Haas
On Friday 30 March 2007 22:25, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Christoph Haas: > > What might be the cause? Is there some fragmentation effect? > > It's probably ext3's directory hashing. It tries to access the files > in /var/lib/dpkg/info in hash order, which leads to essentially random > disk I/O. I