Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Christian Perrier
> upgrade path for two releases now, with its Recommends: handling being a > major reason for this. I'd be surprised if there weren't at least *some* > users switching to it as a result. Developer users probably. The ones that resist are more non-developer users. I'm constantly being annoyed at

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 11 June 2007 04:17, Steve Langasek wrote: > aptitude is priority: important, and while it's not used in the > installer or mentioned in the installation manual (AFAIK), Although no installer components use aptitude directly, tasksel - which is called during almost all installations - do

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 07:06:44PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > Well, that might be just my general pessimism rearing its ugly head :). > My impression has been that aptitude wasn't getting very many *new* > users, but it might just be that aptitude users are a self-sufficient > bunch and do

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 04:36:15PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > The problem isn't that individual, it's that the general attitude > towards Recommends seems, from my personal and highly biased > viewpoint, to be evolving towards a "strong Suggests" model, rather > than a "

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 06:08:44PM -0500, Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On 10-Jun-07, 17:47 (CDT), Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since then, it seems like most users have switched to apt-get and > > synaptic, with hardly anyone using aptitude or dselect

Re: aptitude removals (was Re: APT 0.7 for sid)

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 08:13:18PM -0400, Felipe Sateler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Daniel Burrows wrote: > > > Bug #299009 is AFAIK about the fact that aptitude produces different > > dependency resolutions from the visual UI versus the command-line. This > > is because the comma

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Cameron Dale
On 6/10/07, Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10-Jun-07, 17:47 (CDT), Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since then, it seems like most users have switched to apt-get and > synaptic, with hardly anyone using aptitude or dselect any more Really? I'd have guessed that most p

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 06:08:44PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 10-Jun-07, 17:47 (CDT), Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since then, it seems like most users have switched to apt-get and > > synaptic, with hardly anyone using aptitude or dselect any more > > Really? I'd have g

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Miles Bader
Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Since then, it seems like most users have switched to apt-get and >> synaptic, with hardly anyone using aptitude or dselect any more > > Really? I'd have guessed that most people used aptitude. I can't imagine > anyone preferring synaptic to aptitude

Re: aptitude removals (was Re: APT 0.7 for sid)

2007-06-10 Thread Felipe Sateler
Daniel Burrows wrote: > Bug #299009 is AFAIK about the fact that aptitude produces different > dependency resolutions from the visual UI versus the command-line. This > is because the command-line has more context about what the user is > doing and tweaks the resolver accordingly. Would you e

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 06:05:49PM -0500, Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > [Daniel Burrows] > > I'm in favor of either enabling this by default in apt or downgrading > > Recommends in policy to just a "really Suggests". > [snip interesting background material] > > I wo

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Michael Vogt
On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 12:59:38AM +0200, Michael Vogt wrote: > I plan to do an apt 0.7.2 upload for sid this weekend. It's a big merge > of the version in debian/experimental and the version in Ubuntu. [..] I just uploaded apt, python-apt and synaptic. If binNMUs could be arranged for the remain

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Steve Greenland
On 10-Jun-07, 17:47 (CDT), Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At the time I added Recommends support to aptitude (2001), dselect was > still fairly widely used, and new aptitude users, while they didn't > miss dselect's strong-arming them into installing recommends, did wish > that aptitud

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Daniel Burrows] > I'm in favor of either enabling this by default in apt or downgrading > Recommends in policy to just a "really Suggests". [snip interesting background material] I would suggest - nay, I would recommend - keeping Policy the way it is and fixing packages to use Recommends as it

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 09:49:00PM -0400, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Michael Vogt wrote: > > - support for the new dpkg "Breaks" field (thanks to Ian Jackson for > > his work on this) > > Although dpkg still doesn't have Breaks support, so we still can't use > it, AFAIK..

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Baptiste Carvello
Daniel Burrows a écrit : > On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 09:54:16AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > was heard to say: >>> term. I would also love to find a way in the future to interface with >>> the aptitude dependency problem resolver (that is superiour to the one >>> in libapt). >> In wh

Bug#428328: ITP: pixbros -- 2D game inspired in Bubble Bobble, Snow Bros and Tumble Pop

2007-06-10 Thread Miriam Ruiz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: pixbros Version : 0.5 Upstream Author : Pablo Navarro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.pixjuegos.com/?q=node/54 * License : GPL Programming Lang: Fenix Description

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 10:45:06AM -0700, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > aptitude throws out the solution of "revert all the proposed changes > and stay at the current state". Setting Aptitude::Discard-Null-Solution > to false will disable this behavior. *sheepish loo

Re: Bourne shell assistance needed for Bug #422909

2007-06-10 Thread Oleg Verych
* From: Roger Leigh * Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 22:48:49 +0100 > > Hi folks, Hallo. > # Unmount all filesystem under specified location > # $1: mount base location > do_umount_all() > { > "$LIBEXEC_DIR/schroot-listmounts" -m "$1" | > while read mountloc; do > if [ "$AUTH_VERBOSITY" = "

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 07:42:40AM -0700, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 09:54:16AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > was heard to say: > > > term. I would also love to find a way in the future to interface with > > > the aptitude depende

Transitional packages

2007-06-10 Thread Magnus Holmgren
When a binary package simply gets a new name (no splitting or merging involved), should there *always* remain a dummy/transitional package under the old name, or are there exceptions where the dummy package is considered to do more harm (littering, basically) than good, for example -doc packages

Re: Large static datasets like genomes (Re: Reasonable maximum package size ?)

2007-06-10 Thread Steffen Moeller
On Sunday 10 June 2007 17:20:54 you wrote: > On 9 Jun 2007, at 11:27 am, Steffen Moeller wrote: > > Once a (computational) biologist starts a new > > project, (s)he wants the latest data no matter what and anything > > older than > > three months (or a week sometimes) is likely not to be acceptable

Getting package translations into the mirrors (was Re: APT 0.7 for sid)

2007-06-10 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 6/10/07, Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's because they're not the latest files. The latest output form > the DDTP project is here: > http://ddtp.debian.net/debian/dists/sid/main/i18n/ > > There have been requests to have the FTP site mirror from there or > have some other mecha

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Frank Küster
"Martijn van Oosterhout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/10/07, Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I might not have been clear on the wording. To fix this situation, >> ftp://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/i18n/Translation-ja.bz2 >> needs to be encoded in UTF-8 instead of EUC

Re: arch-all-package shown with two versions on p.d.o

2007-06-10 Thread Paul Wise
On 6/10/07, Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Who is responsible for p.d.o? djpig & Joey and some others: http://blog.djpig.de/en/devel/debian/packages-status-update.html http://blog.djpig.de/en/devel/debian/tabbed-packages.html -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: arch-all-package shown with two versions on p.d.o

2007-06-10 Thread Frank Küster
Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=tex-common&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all >> > >> > Any idea? >> >> I have none, is anyone able to help? Is this a problem in the script >> that generates packages.debia

Re: aptitude removals (was Re: APT 0.7 for sid)

2007-06-10 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 10:46:37AM -0400, Philippe Cloutier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > > >Apparently there have been bugs in this for years and no-one reported > >them until they caused trouble for the d-i team several months ago. > >They should be fixed in stable's aptitude now, an

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 6/10/07, Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I might not have been clear on the wording. To fix this situation, ftp://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/i18n/Translation-ja.bz2 needs to be encoded in UTF-8 instead of EUC-JP. (and I am wondering why this file is dated back to May 2

Re: dh_installman problems

2007-06-10 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 04:04:44PM +0100, Anton Piatek wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to teach myself to package up a program for debian, but can't get > the manpage I have written to work properly. > It has the line '.TH CAJUN 1 "June 10, 2007"' near the top of the file and is > named cajun.1 in t

Re: arch-all-package shown with two versions on p.d.o (was: Bug#427859: lmodern fails to configure on upgrade, dpkg error)

2007-06-10 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 02:17:49PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > Hi all, > > Florent noticed that for tex-common, two versions are listed as being > available in testing although the package is Arch: all: > > Florent Rougon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > BTW, I don't understand why both 1.0.1 a

aptitude removals (was Re: APT 0.7 for sid)

2007-06-10 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Apparently there have been bugs in this for years and no-one reported them until they caused trouble for the d-i team several months ago. They should be fixed in stable's aptitude now, and I would appreciate bug reports on any transition problems that remain. FWIW, I thought that you acknowledged

Re: dh_installman problems

2007-06-10 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Sunday 10 June 2007 17:04, Anton Piatek wrote: > I am trying to teach myself to package up a program for debian, but can't > get the manpage I have written to work properly. > It has the line '.TH CAJUN 1 "June 10, 2007"' near the top of the file and > is named cajun.1 in the debian dir inside t

Re: arch-all-package shown with two versions on p.d.o (was: Bug#427859: lmodern fails to configure on upgrade, dpkg error)

2007-06-10 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 02:17:49PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > Florent noticed that for tex-common, two versions are listed as being > available in testing although the package is Arch: all: > > Florent Rougon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > BTW, I don't understand why both 1.0.1 and 1.7 a

dh_installman problems

2007-06-10 Thread Anton Piatek
Hi, I am trying to teach myself to package up a program for debian, but can't get the manpage I have written to work properly. It has the line '.TH CAJUN 1 "June 10, 2007"' near the top of the file and is named cajun.1 in the debian dir inside the src package dir. dh_installman seems to ignore

Re: Large static datasets like genomes (Re: Reasonable maximum package size ?)

2007-06-10 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007, Steffen Moeller wrote: It would be lovely if we could agree on a set of databases to support in Debian and to have a permanent location in the file system for them. For the reasons that Tim has already outlined I do not see to distribute the larger database as Debian packages

arch-all-package shown with two versions on p.d.o (was: Bug#427859: lmodern fails to configure on upgrade, dpkg error)

2007-06-10 Thread Frank Küster
Hi all, Florent noticed that for tex-common, two versions are listed as being available in testing although the package is Arch: all: Florent Rougon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW, I don't understand why both 1.0.1 and 1.7 are listed for > testing at: > > http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/sea

Re: synchronizing README.Debian with wiki.debian.org

2007-06-10 Thread Frank Küster
Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > >> > I had an idea and still pondering on it. I wanted to do automatic >> > two-way synchronization with README.Debian and wiki.debian.org >> >> Excuse me - which existing wiki pages are synchronized with >> README.Debian? > > > I don't really k

Bug#428256: ITP: ffrenzy -- Multiplayer platform with dwarfs fighting with/for food

2007-06-10 Thread Paul van Tilburg
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Paul van Tilburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: ffrenzy Version : 1.0.2 Upstream Authors: Bas Kloet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christian Luijten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Emiel Neggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bram Senders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,