Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Felipe Sateler wrote: > PS: I do agree that it would be nice if there was a way to automatically > bring in the modules you are using for the new version, or at least warn, > but I can't seem to figure out a nice and elegant way of doing that. And > no, more people using testin

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that a package that has been in unstable for a whole release > cycle without entering testing should probably live in experimental or > not in Debian at all. I guess that is something most people can agree > on. Hm, I was tempted to thin

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 07:41:27PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 14:08 -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote: > > Mike Hommey wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 09:25:13PM +, Evgeni Golov > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:42:08 -0300 Paulo Marco

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What is not really understandable is why this stupid naming has been > kept in Windows XP. Because nobody actually cares except control-freak types, and they're certainly not who windows is targetting! -Miles -- `To alcohol! The cause of, and solution

Re: Is there a way to positively, uniquely identify which Debian release a program is running on?

On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:24:08 -0500, Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On 09-Jun-07, 04:30 (CDT), Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> My point is that it is useful to know what major release of Debian a >> machine is using, > My point is the only reliable way to determine t

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:20:17 -0300, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > 1) The 'remove experimental' proposal > * Warn developers and contributors[0] > * Remove experimental > * Switch unstable (release) for not automatic updates This is one of the worst proposals I have seen.

Re: How to package software with binaries in tarball?

On 6/14/07, Steinar H. Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 10:06:20PM +0400, Sergei Golovan wrote: >> pristine source. It is rather nice to be able take debian's tar.gz and >> verify with md5sum or a detached gpg sig that upstream's tarball is > The original tarball conta

GSASL Maintainer Missing in Action?

Hello, libgsasl and libntlm are maintained by Yvan Bassuel and were uploaded by Anibal Salazar. I am CC'ing them. Two weeks ago I've sent an email no Yvan, asking if he was still interested in maintaining those packages. Both have newer upstream versions. There is a bug with a patch for libgsasl7

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Hi all, One of the ways to drive usage as somebody mentioned is to drive upstream & that is a good way. Make sure most of free libraries incorporate KiB [0] & the mathematical stuff needed (No computer engineer here, just a user who cares) so things turn out right while making sure that th

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Felipe Sateler wrote: > That would live everyone waiting for the every module to be ready, of > which they may not be using some. That is leave, of course -- Felipe Sateler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

Re: Re: APT 0.7 for sid

I am definitely a GUI person (aptitude is the last non-GUI program with a GUI available that I still use), but I still prefer aptitude to any other. I was under the impression that most others did too, is it not the recommended Debian way?. Yes (but that's a reported bug, #418455) -- To UNSUBSC

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Luis Matos wrote: > Qua, 2007-06-13 às 18:09 -0400, Felipe Sateler escreveu: >> Installing a newer kernel is not an upgrade, in a sense. You are >> installing new software alongside the old one. Thus the usual >> expectations don't hold. > > the usual expectation that i have with a new kernel is

Bug#428777: ITP: xserver-xorg-video-avivo -- X.Org X server -- Avivo display driver

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Debian X Strike Force <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: xserver-xorg-video-avivo Version : 0.0.1 Upstream Authors: Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jerome Glisse <[

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 05:32:01PM +0100, Luis Matos wrote: > > > > Um, no. That does not happen automatically. In rare cases it happens > > > > because the release team has overridden the installability check for a > > > > package, because maintainers have not coordinated their transitions in >

Bug#428776: ITP: libpciaccess -- Generic PCI access library for X

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Debian X Strike Force <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libpciaccess Version : 0.8.0 Upstream Authors: Ian Romanick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Eric Anholt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> edward shu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *

Re: Best practices for cron jobs?

> "Duncan" == Duncan Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Duncan> What can I do to satisfy those with and without anacron, Duncan> and to avoid hammering the sa-update servers at a specific Duncan> time? Look at the clamav-freshclam package. I suspect the maintainers have already

Bug#428774: ITP: pixman -- pixel-manipulation library for X and cairo

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Debian X Strike Force <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: pixman Version : 0.9.3 Upstream Author : Søren Sandmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/pixman * License : MIT/X Programming Lang: C

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Christof Krüger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'd really like to hear some real arguments against SI prefixes, > > besides being ugly or funny to pronounce or just because "it has > > always been like that". Advantages of using SI prefixes has been >

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Ivan Jager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Alex Jones wrote: > > 1 TB is not rounded. It means precisely 1 × 10^12 bytes, no more > > and no less. If they want to actually put 1.024 TB on the disk > > then they can say 1 TB (approx.) like any other industry > > (detergent, bacon

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Qua, 2007-06-13 às 19:20 -0400, David Nusinow escreveu: > By the time it hit testing it worked pretty well for most people. We > broke > a few things, but it was nice for just about everyone. Everyone except > those people using proprietary drivers, but they know they've already > dug > their own g

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Qua, 2007-06-13 às 16:18 -0700, Russ Allbery escreveu: > For non-free, this is inevitable without significant changes to the > way > that Debian works that I don't believe will happen. Debian has > provided a > different solution in the form of module-assistant that in my > experience > works grea

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > By the time it hit testing it worked pretty well for most people. We > broke a few things, but it was nice for just about everyone. Everyone > except those people using proprietary drivers, but they know they've > already dug their own grave there. If Lu

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 11:53:24AM +0200, Gabor Gombas wrote: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 12:42:34AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote: > > > - Smooth passages are not always smooth (who had a working xorg after > > the upgrade for 7, please raise their hands) > > AFAIR apart from having to edit a few confi

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Qua, 2007-06-13 às 15:00 -0700, Russ Allbery escreveu: >> My recommendation is to always use module-assistant for all non-free >> drivers that you want to use. That way, if there is a build in >> non-free, you can be pleasantly surprised, but your normal m

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Qui, 2007-06-14 às 01:04 +0200, Emanuele Rocca escreveu: > * Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [2007-06-11 19:56 -0400]: > > Testing also needs periodic snapshots and guaranteed upgradability to > > be useable by more users, amoung other points I discuss at > > http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/debian/

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Qua, 2007-06-13 às 18:09 -0400, Felipe Sateler escreveu: > Luis Matos wrote: > > > Qua, 2007-06-13 às 14:16 -0700, Russ Allbery escreveu: > >> Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> > but why should I??? this goes against the "testing is always *WORKING*" > >> > phrase. TESTING IS NOT A

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

* Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [2007-06-11 19:56 -0400]: > Testing also needs periodic snapshots and guaranteed upgradability to > be useable by more users, amoung other points I discuss at > http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/debian/cut/ "Snapshots should be made available regularly, so that user

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Qua, 2007-06-13 às 15:00 -0700, Russ Allbery escreveu: > Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > having a working system *with* only debian *oficial* packages and then > > after an upgrade that system stops working properly, i call it a > > regression ... > > If you're using non-free drivers

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Wednesday 13 June 2007 14:03:51 Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 05:33:12PM -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > > Even in the US all legitimate science and engineering is done in SI > > units. > > Suurre... That's why in 1999 the NASA Mars orbiter didn't crash > because one (NA

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Steinar H Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 03:00:15PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >>> Many non-free drivers (and some free drivers, for that matter) are >>> never automatically built at the moment, although with the new >>>

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Steinar H Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 03:00:15PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Many non-free drivers (and some free drivers, for that matter) are >> never automatically built at the moment, although with the new >> mechanism for building modules in main, hopeful

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Luis Matos wrote: > Qua, 2007-06-13 às 14:16 -0700, Russ Allbery escreveu: >> Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > but why should I??? this goes against the "testing is always *WORKING*" >> > phrase. TESTING IS NOT ALWAYS WORKING. >> >> Having to use module-assistant != not working. >

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 03:00:15PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Many non-free drivers (and some free drivers, for that matter) are never > automatically built at the moment, although with the new mechanism for > building modules in main, hopefully that number will drop over time for > the free ones

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > having a working system *with* only debian *oficial* packages and then > after an upgrade that system stops working properly, i call it a > regression ... If you're using non-free drivers, the first part of your sentence above doesn't apply. Usually, howe

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Alex Jones wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 14:29 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: Without the binary unit to consider, when we quote a drive as 1TB, we know that it has *at least* 1,000,000,000,000 bytes available. Depending on the drive, it may have anywhere between this and

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

As I see it there are two ways of resolving the difference between KiB and KB. * Use Rosetta to update the text and fix the output so that it now reads KiB. This would be relatively simple to do, but not actually helpful longer term. * Fix the source code that calculates KB by

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Qua, 2007-06-13 às 14:16 -0700, Russ Allbery escreveu: > Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > but why should I??? this goes against the "testing is always *WORKING*" > > phrase. TESTING IS NOT ALWAYS WORKING. > > Having to use module-assistant != not working. having a working system *wit

Bug#428750: ITP: drawxtl -- display crystal structures on ordinary computer hardware

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Daniel Leidert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: drawxtl Version : 5.3 Upstream Author : Larry Finger, Martin Kroeker and Brian Toby * URL : http://home.att.net/~larry.finger/drawxt

Re: How to package software with binaries in tarball?

On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 10:06:20PM +0400, Sergei Golovan wrote: >> pristine source. It is rather nice to be able take debian's tar.gz and >> verify with md5sum or a detached gpg sig that upstream's tarball is > The original tarball contains non-free RFCs, so it is recreated anyway. On a general no

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > but why should I??? this goes against the "testing is always *WORKING*" > phrase. TESTING IS NOT ALWAYS WORKING. Having to use module-assistant != not working. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- To UNSU

Re: Bug#428198: ITP: gabedit -- graphical interface to Ab Initio packages

Am Sonntag, den 10.06.2007, 08:41 +0200 schrieb Luca Brivio: > Daniel Leidert wrote: > > Gabedit is a graphical user interface to computational chemistry > > packages, like: > > > > - GAMESS-US > > - Gaussian > > - Molcas > > - Molpro > > - MPQC > > - Q-Chem > > Maybe the fact that MPQC is t

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Qua, 2007-06-13 às 12:39 +0200, Gabor Gombas escreveu: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 11:28:52AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote: > > > kernel upgrades from 2.6.50 to 2.6.51 ... nvidia packages don't build in > > time (they are not free, right?) ... kernel passes to testing ... > > automatically, the nvidia-m

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Qua, 2007-06-13 às 03:45 -0700, Steve Langasek escreveu: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 11:28:52AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote: > > > look ... i don't want guaranties ... you know what i mean ... want a > > place where it says "testing HAS security support, we focus on having it > > stable. I don't want w

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Le mercredi 13 juin 2007 à 15:19 +0200, Bjørn Ingmar Berg a écrit : > When computers and humans interact (on a technical level) > humans must adapt to the computer, because computers can not. Anyone starting with such assumptions should never design any kind of user interface. > Dealing with chun

Re: Best practices for cron jobs?

* Duncan Findlay: > I imagine it would be relatively simple to have the postinst generate > a random time during the day for a cron script to run, but this > doesn't work with anacron -- many users would never get updates. debsecan creates a cron entry which is run hourly, at a random minute, and

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 05:33:12PM -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > Even in the US all legitimate science and engineering is done in SI > units. Suurre... That's why in 1999 the NASA Mars orbiter didn't crash because one (NASA) team worked in metric units and the other (private contractor) in i

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Le mardi 12 juin 2007 à 17:40 -0300, Gustavo Franco a écrit : > I disagree, that's what we've with experimental today mainly due to > the fact that there's just a few packages there. Consider everybody > uploading every package for unstable instead. This has already been tried by Fedora and Mandri

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 14:29 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > [...] > And we still have many figures in both GB and GiB which are neither of > the two! okay ... reading on ... > [...] > I see no problem with this "1TB" quote being approximate. It's > rounded anyway. So you don't care if it is

Re: Best practices for cron jobs?

Duncan Findlay wrote: > Adding a sleep $[ $RANDOM % 60 ] is probably not a good idea as it will > hold up all the other cronjobs that should be run. > How about using a sub shell, so that other cron jobs can continue? ( sleep $[ $RANDOM % 60 ] sa-update ) & (or something like this) Che

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Christof Krüger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'd really like to hear some real arguments against SI prefixes, besides > being ugly or funny to pronounce or just because "it has always been > like that". Advantages of using SI prefixes has been mentioned in this > thread. Please tell me the disadv

Re: Best practices for cron jobs?

* sean finney [Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:46:42 +0200]: > On Wednesday 13 June 2007 06:28:09 Duncan Findlay wrote: > > I imagine it would be relatively simple to have the postinst generate > > a random time during the day for a cron script to run, but this > > doesn't work with anacron -- many users woul

Re: Best practices for cron jobs?

On Wednesday 13 June 2007 06:28:09 Duncan Findlay wrote: > I imagine it would be relatively simple to have the postinst generate > a random time during the day for a cron script to run, but this > doesn't work with anacron -- many users would never get updates. how would this break anacron? > Wha

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Le mercredi 13 juin 2007 à 15:06 +0100, Scott James Remnant a écrit : > On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 15:01 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: > > > 1 TB is not rounded. It means precisely 1 × 10^12 bytes, no more and no > > less. > > > No it doesn't. > > The meaning of 1 TB depends on the context, and has always

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 14:08 -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote: > Mike Hommey wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 09:25:13PM +, Evgeni Golov > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:42:08 -0300 Paulo Marcondes wrote: > >> > >> > billion = 10^6 * 10^6 (IIRC, as used in Portugal - n

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

> Let me start with a dumb example: > For a child or uninterested commoner that flying critter is simply "a > birdie". For those in the know exactly the same entity is a "Falco > peregrinus". > Even if simply calling it "birdie" or perhaps "falcon" would be > easier, more "user friendly" more "un

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Mike Hommey wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 09:25:13PM +, Evgeni Golov > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:42:08 -0300 Paulo Marcondes wrote: >> >> > billion = 10^6 * 10^6 (IIRC, as used in Portugal - no jokes here!) >> >> =10^12 :) >> >> and Germany, France, former UdSS

Re: How to package software with binaries in tarball?

On 6/13/07, Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Should we remove them from the original tarball, or is it better to leave them? Unless there is a huge a gain in tarball size I would keep the Tarball without binaries is about 11Mb, with binaries is about 37Mb. pristine source. It is

Re: How to package software with binaries in tarball?

Sergei Golovan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is a recommended practice of packaging programs, for which > distributed tarball contains binaries (generated from the sources)? > Specifically, newly released erlang distribution includes prebuilt > architecture-independent binary files. > Should

How to package software with binaries in tarball?

Hi! What is a recommended practice of packaging programs, for which distributed tarball contains binaries (generated from the sources)? Specifically, newly released erlang distribution includes prebuilt architecture-independent binary files. Should we remove them from the original tarball, or i

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Wednesday 13 June 2007 15:19, Bjørn Ingmar Berg wrote: > Let me start with a dumb example: (OK, dumb example duly deleted) > Computers deal with numbers in base two. Humans deal with numbers in > base 10. When computers and humans interact (on a technical level) > humans must adapt to the com

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

I demand that Alex Jones may or may not have written... > And no-one uses floppy disks any more. Let's just bury them all and forget > about them. :D I used one yesterday to do a BIOS upgrade. :-) > 1 TB is not rounded. It means precisely 1 × 10^12 bytes, no more and no > less. It means 1024^4

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 12:51 +0200, Christof Krüger wrote: > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 15:52 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > shirish writes ("Using standardized SI prefixes"): > > > Please look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix . > > > > Urgh, these things are ugly and an abomination.

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 13/06/07 at 15:19 +0100, Paul Wise wrote: >> On 6/13/07, Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >It would be easy to get the list of packages that haven't reached >> >testing in the n months (and have been in debian for more than n months). >> S

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On 13/06/07 at 15:19 +0100, Paul Wise wrote: > On 6/13/07, Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >It would be easy to get the list of packages that haven't reached > >testing in the n months (and have been in debian for more than n months). > > Such a list exists: > http://bjorn.haxx.se/d

Re: Getting package translations into the mirrors (was Re: APT 0.7 for sid)

On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 07:16:49PM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > On 6/10/07, Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That's because they're not the latest files. The latest output form > >> the DDTP project is here: > >> http://ddtp.debian.net/debian/dists/sid/main/i18n/ > >> > >> The

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Wednesday 13 June 2007 15:29, Scott James Remnant wrote: > On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 12:51 +0200, Christof Krüger wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 15:52 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > [...] Please tell me the disadvantages so there can actually be a > > constructive discussion. > > User Confusion. >

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 14:29 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > Without the binary unit to consider, when we quote a drive as 1TB, we > know that it has *at least* 1,000,000,000,000 bytes available. > Depending on the drive, it may have anywhere between this and > 1,099,511,627,776 bytes available.

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On 6/13/07, Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It would be easy to get the list of packages that haven't reached testing in the n months (and have been in debian for more than n months). Such a list exists: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/oldest.html -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/Pa

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Hallo, On 6/13/07, Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The meaning of 1 TB depends on the context, and has always done so. Wrongly. -- -alex http://www.ventonegro.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PRO

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 15:01 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: > 1 TB is not rounded. It means precisely 1 × 10^12 bytes, no more and no > less. > No it doesn't. The meaning of 1 TB depends on the context, and has always done so. Scott -- Scott James Remnant Ubuntu Development Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#428676: ITP: snowballz -- fun RTS game featuring snowball fights with penguins

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: snowballz Version : 0.9.3 Upstream Author : Joey Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Upstream Author : Matthew Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://joey101.net/snowballz/ * Licens

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On 13/06/07, Christof Krüger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd really like to hear some real arguments against SI prefixes, besides being ugly or funny to pronounce or just because "it has always been like that". Advantages of using SI prefixes has been mentioned in this thread. Please tell me the d

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 12:51 +0200, Christof Krüger wrote: > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 15:52 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > shirish writes ("Using standardized SI prefixes"): > > > Please look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix . > > > > Urgh, these things are ugly and an abomination.

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

* Gustavo Franco [Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:20:17 -0300]: > * Switch unstable (release) for not automatic updates This seems like the key of your proposal, and this is, in simple words and AIUI, why it would not bring any improvements: - Our main objective is to have as few bugs in testing as possib

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

One more opinion: If you consider a number more relevant than its nearest power of 2, then somebody else will consider every digit of that number relevant. In that case, don't use rounding by SI/IEC prefixes at all. For an example see Bug #420716. The first number, where the difference between b

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 13/06/07 at 11:19 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: >> * Lucas Nussbaum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070612 23:17]: >>> On 12/06/07 at 22:23 +0200, Luk Claes wrote: unstable is meant for packages that should be in the next stable release, as such only pa

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 08:02:53AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > On 6/12/07, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 04:40:54PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > >> >* What do you mean by "switch unstable automatic nature to not > >> > automatic" > >> In a few words, mo

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On 13/06/07 at 11:19 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Lucas Nussbaum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070612 23:17]: > > On 12/06/07 at 22:23 +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > > > NO! > > > > > > unstable is meant for packages that should be in the next stable release, > > > as such only packages that are in the main

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

"Gustavo Franco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 6/12/07, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 04:40:54PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: * What do you mean by "switch unstable automatic nature to not automatic" >>> In a few words, move the 'NotAutomatic: yes

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 15:52 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > shirish writes ("Using standardized SI prefixes"): > > Please look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix . > > Urgh, these things are ugly and an abomination. We should avoid them. > > Ian. > I'd really like to hear some rea

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On 6/12/07, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 04:40:54PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > >* What do you mean by "switch unstable automatic nature to not > > automatic" > In a few words, move the 'NotAutomatic: yes' from experimental to > unstable and burn experime

Re: Reasonable maximum package size ?

Wouter Verhelst dijo [Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 06:59:49PM +0100]: > > Honnestly, no, this is not true anymore nowadays. With a 500Gb sata > > hard drive, you're able to have a full debian mirror (all archs). Such a > > disk is around 100??? nowadays. > > ... but it will break down in three months wi

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 11:28:52AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote: > > > The current system is fine but: > > > - priority from unstable should less than testing or stable ( as i > > > think - not for sure - happens nowadays). On experimental has less > > > priority. > > > - There are no guaranties that

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 11:28:52AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote: > kernel upgrades from 2.6.50 to 2.6.51 ... nvidia packages don't build in > time (they are not free, right?) ... kernel passes to testing ... > automatically, the nvidia-module-2.6.50 uses 2.6.50 and not *.51, so ... > after a reboot, my

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Ter, 2007-06-12 às 17:03 -0700, Steve Langasek escreveu: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 12:42:34AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote: > > Ter, 2007-06-12 às 22:05 +0200, Frans Pop escreveu: > > > Personally I think the current system is fine. > > > just a note, as user: > > > The current system is fine but: > >

Re: Best practices for cron jobs?

On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 12:28:09AM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: > What can I do to satisfy those with and without anacron, and to avoid > hammering the sa-update servers at a specific time? Idea: - Generate a random minute number in the postinst - Set up an entry in cron.d that runs every hour a

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 05:40:29PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > I disagree, that's what we've with experimental today mainly due to > the fact that there's just a few packages there. Consider everybody > uploading every package for unstable instead. Experimental can and does contain packages th

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 12:42:34AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote: > - Smooth passages are not always smooth (who had a working xorg after > the upgrade for 7, please raise their hands) AFAIR apart from having to edit a few config files it was quite painless (I've upgraded when Xorg was still in experi

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

* Lucas Nussbaum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070612 23:17]: > On 12/06/07 at 22:23 +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > > NO! > > > > unstable is meant for packages that should be in the next stable release, > > as such only packages that are in the maintainer's opinion ready to migrate > > to testing should be u

Bug#428643: ITP: maven-ant-helper -- package helper scripts for building Maven components with ant

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Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 19:57, Joey Hess wrote: > I had generally assumed that most programmers were reaonsable and used > powers of 2, but this thread is certianly changing my mind about *that*. It's not that unreasonable. Humans generally count in base 10 - computers count in base 2. -- Magnu

Re: Best practices for cron jobs?

Hi Duncan! You wrote: > Adding a sleep $[ $RANDOM % 60 ] is probably not a good idea as it will > hold up all the other cronjobs that should be run. What about making sure the spamassassin cron.daily job is the last one to run (by calling it ZZspamassassin or so)? It might even be worth it to p