Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 05:26:09PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > This thread has concentrated on fixing packages, but I would appreciate > a little insight into why someone might set TAPE in their environment by > default. Surely if you set it by default, you must realse that you're > asking any such i

Bug#439996: ITP: ngila -- global pairwise alignments with logarithmic and affine gap costs

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Package name: ngila Version : 1.2.1 Upstream Author : Reed A. Cartwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> or <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URL : http://scit.us/projects/ngila/ License : GPL v3 or later

Bug#439993: ITP: libapache2-mod-pubcookie -- apache2 module supporting Pubcookie authentication

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Peter Woodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libapache2-mod-pubcookie Version : 3.3.2d Upstream Author : Pubcookie Developers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.pubcookie.org/ * License : Apache 2.0 Programming

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 12:42:32AM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 06:54:23PM +0100, Matthew Woodcraft wrote: > > Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The manpage of tar does not mention the special handling of a > > > environment variable named TAPE. Nor does

Re: i386 buildd upload problems with gpe-calendar

Hello! On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:05:30 +0200, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2007 at 07:11:46PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: >> I have no i386 machines capable of building packages on unstable - >> I build on amd64 and powerpc, uploading only from amd64. > > Are you not familiar with the proc

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This thread has concentrated on fixing packages, but I would > appreciate a little insight into why someone might set TAPE in their > environment by default. Surely if you set it by default, you must > realse that you're asking any such invocation of tar to w

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 06:54:23PM +0100, Matthew Woodcraft wrote: > Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The manpage of tar does not mention the special handling of a > > environment variable named TAPE. Nor does tar --help. > > But, unsurprisingly, the tar manual does (under the --file

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

Riku Voipio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Why should we force 7000+ source packages clean their environment when > debuild/pbuilder/sbuild etc will do that anyway? Worse, it's not even > trivial to clean environment in a Makefile. In this particular case, there's no need to clean the environment.

Re: Request for set up of kudos.debian.org

also sprach A Mennucc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.08.28.1950 +0200]: > you can use > $ reportbug --kudos PACKAGE … the results of which are not publicly visible. I guess the OP wanted exactly that. -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : proud Debian developer, author, administra

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

> > That's why we tell people to use pbuilder. > I think I disagree with the reason given for this advice. What > is the end goal that we are trying to achieve? Is it to upload binary > packages that build despite leaving flaws i the build process? Always > building in pbuilder masks e

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This thread has concentrated on fixing packages, but I would appreciate > a little insight into why someone might set TAPE in their environment by > default. Surely if you set it by default, you must realse that you're > asking any such invocation of tar to

Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 11:01:06PM +0200, A Mennucc wrote: > Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña ha scritto: > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 12:04:51PM +0200, A Mennucc wrote: > > I think I already pointed people interested in this to #268658. > > If ftpmasters where given the tools to implement this seaml

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

Harald Dunkel wrote: > Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE > is set. That happens if your rules script uses something like > > tar -c modules | bzip2 -9 > omfs.tar.bz2 > > for example. If $TAPE is set, then tar writes to $TAPE instead > of stdout (possibly corrupti

Re: Why no Opera?

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:28:29 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > And the best place to find this is on the debian-mentors list, where > > first-time package maintainers are expected. The debian-devel list > > I have been there before, they were not overly helpful then. The > responses I receiv

Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña ha scritto: > On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 12:04:51PM +0200, A Mennucc wrote: > I think I already pointed people interested in this to #268658. > If ftpmasters where given the tools to implement this seamlessly then you > coul

Re: Why no Opera?

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 04:20:00PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I did not say I was too lazy to read the docmentation. You may not have said it, but you appear to be demonstrating it. > There is too > much for a person who has no clue where to begin and it is difficult > to digest wit

Re: Why no Opera? - recap

For all of those who are still responding who have apparently not read all of the postings first, It has been pointed out and I have realized that I was in error regarding what was neccessary to include software packaged by commercial companies. This occurred about 16 hours ago so that par

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:43:00 +0200, Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Or we get source-only uploads rolling and always build in a controlled > environment. That only helps the binary packages we distribute -- leaving our source packages full of holes masked by our sterile build

Re: Why no Opera?

Quoting Bernd Zeimetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Opera bugs are reported much less than most other widely used browsers, and Opera is widely used. So you have access to opera's internal bugtracker, or did you just use $RANDOM to find an appropriate number? I am using generally available inform

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

Hi Eduard, Eduard Bloch wrote: verify his/her own package. But in this case a central check would be cheap and easy to implement. Almost zero effort compared to the damage done by corrupting tapes. Oh, come on. People who put $TAPE into the default environment may also link /dev/null to /dev

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:15:35 +0300, Riku Voipio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE is >> >> set. >> Perhaps dpkg-buildpackage should unset TAPE...? > pbuilder and other tools already do that when chrooting? Tar's $TAPE > behaviour fail

Re: Why no Opera?

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 08:20:00PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Your accusations are completely unfounded. This is a prime example of > what I am referring to. Thank you. [...] > I understand that one does not become a developer in a day. Please > explain how you "feel" I have been harassi

Re: Why no Opera?

> Opera bugs are reported much less than most other widely used browsers, > and Opera is widely used. So you have access to opera's internal bugtracker, or did you just use $RANDOM to find an appropriate number? -- Bernd Zeimetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

Re: Why no Opera?

Quoting The Fungi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Further, Debian embraces freedom above all else, and one of the commonly-recognized freedoms observed is the freedom to speak one's mind; thus potentially abrasive conversation becomes not only possible, but somewhat protected (if productive and on-topic, a

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

#include * Harald Dunkel [Tue, Aug 28 2007, 01:27:22PM]: > Hi Bas, > > You could write 'tar cfz file.tgz files' instead of 'tar -c -f file.tgz -z > files'. No, because the outcome is not the same. It uses pure gzip and usually people want more gzip (or bzip2) options when using it in a pipe, eg.

Re: Why no Opera?

Quoting Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: We like to give some directions to people that don't claim to know everything and criticize everything without thinking or worse, reading what people answer. You shoot mails faster than you read, and it's obvious reading you. Actually, I read faste

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

* Bastian Blank: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:39:47AM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: >> I assume you mean to make the documentation match the behaivour. > > At least. > >> Rememer it is a Tape ARchival program. > > | -f, --file [HOSTNAME:]F > | use archive file or device F (default "-", meanin

Re: Why no Opera?

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 03:24:54PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, I was also being polite. The developer community is not > exactly friendly to newcomers in general either. some persons are, > but those people tend to have less to say then the ones who are > not. Not to defend some of the

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 12:22:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> I don't have any time to work on this, but it occurred to me reading >> this that it might be useful for QA purposes to have a version of >> debuild that *unsanitizes* the environment to te

Re: Why no Opera?

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 07:24:54PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You don't give a toddler a steak, you give him something he can swallow. > Taking a look at all of the abandoned packages there are a lot of > developers needed here. I believe a lot of people like me would assist if > they co

Bug#439965: ITP: grubutil-win32 -- GRUB win32 utilities

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: grubutil-win32 Version : 1.1-18 * URL : http://download.gna.org/grubutil/ * License : GPL (v2 or later) Programming Lang: C, 386 asm Description : GRUB win32 utilitie

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 12:22:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I don't have any time to work on this, but it occurred to me reading this > that it might be useful for QA purposes to have a version of debuild that > *unsanitizes* the environment to test robustness. An evil-debuild that > sets ever

Re: Why no Opera?

Quoting Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: #include * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mon, Aug 27 2007, 03:28:55PM]: Correct, I am not a Debian developer. I have considered it several times but have been put off by the amount of documentation. I have to be able to jump in and do something or I lose interes

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Riku Voipio [Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:15:35 +0300]: >> That's why we tell people to use pbuilder. > FWIW, debuild alone also sanitizes the environment. I don't have any time to work on this, but it occurred to me reading this that it might be useful for Q

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

* Riku Voipio [Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:15:35 +0300]: > That's why we tell people to use pbuilder. FWIW, debuild alone also sanitizes the environment. Cheers, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at de

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

On 28/08/07 at 13:49 +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Tuesday 28 August 2007 09:36, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: > > You wrote: > > > But most people simply don't know that their rules file corrupts > > > tapes. First thing would be to detect these packages. This could > > > be done in the autobuild proc

Re: Why no Opera?

#include * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mon, Aug 27 2007, 03:28:55PM]: > Correct, I am not a Debian developer. I have considered it several times > but have been put off by the amount of documentation. I have to be able to > jump in and do something or I lose interest. Doing boring work is usually among

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

> >> Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE is set. > Perhaps dpkg-buildpackage should unset TAPE...? pbuilder and other tools already do that when chrooting? Tar's $TAPE behaviour fails the principle of least suprise. Tar developers should reconsider the usability implic

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The manpage of tar does not mention the special handling of a > environment variable named TAPE. Nor does tar --help. But, unsurprisingly, the tar manual does (under the --file option). -M- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: Request for set up of kudos.debian.org

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Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:39:47AM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > I assume you mean to make the documentation match the behaivour. At least. > Rememer it is a Tape ARchival program. | -f, --file [HOSTNAME:]F | use archive file or device F (default "-", meaning stdin/stdout) The file is ex

Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 12:04:51PM +0200, A Mennucc wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Stefano Zacchiroli ha scritto: > > In an attempt to prevent drift to a well-known counter argument: > > DEBIAN/md5sums (used by debsums) are *not* intended as a mean to counter > > secu

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

Bastian Blank wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 04:44:32PM +0100, Darren Salt wrote: > > I demand that Bastian Blank may or may not have written... > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:08:12AM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote: > > >> Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE is set. > >

Re: Why no Opera?

Quoting Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Ok, so just because it installs and works does not mean everything is correct. Not sure where the flaw is there, maybe it should be impossible to package something incorrectly ;) Thanks, can someone give me a few ideas of some things I can do wi

Bug#439940: ITP: darcs-monitor -- Darcs add-on that sends mail about newly pushed changes

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: darcs-monitor Version : 0.3.1 Upstream Author : Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://wiki.darcs.net/DarcsWiki/DarcsMonitor * License : GPL2+

Re: Why no Opera?

Quoting Bernd Zeimetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I would like and need to learn packaging some software for Debian, and something already packaged does seem like a good place to start. The question there is, can it go into Debian? you think about creating your own Debian derivative and don't know

Re: Why no Opera?

On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 03:13:59PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> You are also free to properly package it yourself and find a sponsor to >> upload it for you (assuming you are not already a Debian Developer >> yourself, which I am guessing you are not). > > I do not see the need to do anythin

Re: Why no Opera?

Quoting Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: It's painfully clear that you don't understand how Debian works. Yes, that is why I am asking these questions. Thanks to all who have responded. The documentation I have found about the different versions and process is somewhat vague. "Everythi

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 04:44:32PM +0100, Darren Salt wrote: > I demand that Bastian Blank may or may not have written... > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:08:12AM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote: > >> Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE is set. > > The manpage of tar does not m

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 04:44:32PM +0100, Darren Salt wrote: > Perhaps dpkg-buildpackage should unset TAPE...? Why should we work around any possibly developer misconfiguration? Or is there a valid use-case for setting $TAPE these days which makes it impossible for the developer to unset it thems

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

I demand that Bastian Blank may or may not have written... > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:08:12AM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote: >> Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE is set. > The manpage of tar does not mention the special handling of a environment > variable named TAPE.

Re: Why no Opera?

On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 03:28:55PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Correct, I am not a Debian developer. I have considered it several times > but have been put off by the amount of documentation. I have to be able to > jump in and do something or I lose interest. Don't we all? This might be

Re: Why no Opera?

On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 11:12:33PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Quoting "Roberto C. Sánchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> The same >> exact thing could be said of Apache, MySQL, PostgreSQL, and any of a >> number of other packages which received tremendous testing upstream. >> None of them have e

Bug#53121: Oport.unidade de trab.alho em imo.biliaria de al.to pa.drao.

Conexão Imobiliária (creci.16820-J) Oportunidade de Emprego como Corretor(a) de Imóveis:   Com 12 anos de mercado, focada nas mais modernas tecnologias de informática e telecomunicação, está contratando "Corretores(as) de Imóveis". Requisitos: máquina fotográfica digital, conhecimento de informá

Re: Why no Opera?

Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I did not specify Opera as an example. Opera does perform much better on older hardware than Iceweasel. I agree with you, but I think Iceweasel can be alright. I use a Pentium 4 M. Using its frequency scaling, I often use 200 Mhz frequency. All the sites I brows

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

On Tuesday 28 August 2007 09:36, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: > You wrote: > > But most people simply don't know that their rules file corrupts > > tapes. First thing would be to detect these packages. This could > > be done in the autobuild procedure done on the debian hosts, e.g. > > by setting $TAPE to

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

Hi Bas, You could write 'tar cfz file.tgz files' instead of 'tar -c -f file.tgz -z files'. Seems that looking for a missing '-f' or 'f' would be pretty error-prone and much more difficult than a simple "test ! -s watchdog.tar" after building the package. My point is: We need some central qualit

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

On 8/28/07, Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:08:12AM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote: > > Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE > > is set. > > The manpage of tar does not mention the special handling of a > environment variable named TAPE.

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:08:12AM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote: > Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE > is set. The manpage of tar does not mention the special handling of a environment variable named TAPE. Nor does tar --help. Bastian -- Beam me up, Scotty! -- To

ITP: macaulay2 -- Software system for algebraic geometry research

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: macaulay2 Version : 0.9.95 Upstream Authors : Daniel R. Grayson and Michael E. Stillman * URL : http://www.math.uiuc.edu/Macaulay2/ * License : GNU GPL 2 Description : Software system for algebraic geometry

ITP: ntl -- Numbery Theory Library

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: ntl Version : 5.4.1 Upstream Authors : Victor Shoup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.shoup.net/ntl/ * License : GNU GPL 2 Description : Numbery Theory Library This is a high-performance, portable C++ li

Re: Why no Opera?

> I would like and need to learn packaging some software for Debian, and > something already packaged does seem like a good place to start. The > question there is, can it go into Debian? you think about creating your own Debian derivative and don't know how to package software for it? That won'

Re: Why no Opera?

Michael Banck wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 02:57:07AM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: >> It is not free software. I had a quick peek at the license in the .deb >> available from Opera's website, and it would not seem that they allow >> other parties to distribute the software, therefore Debian can

Re: Why no Opera?

On Tuesday 28 August 2007 06:46:47 Bruce Sass wrote: > On Mon August 27 2007 05:33:05 pm Romain Beauxis wrote: > > Le Tuesday 28 August 2007 00:17:40 Bruce Sass, vous avez écrit : > > > On Mon August 27 2007 04:05:24 pm Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > > And > > > > it's no way we will accept the stati

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

Hi Harald! You wrote: > I am sure you agree that this is a fatal failure in the package. > It should be > > tar cf - modules | bzip2 -9 > omfs.tar.bz2 > > But most people simply don't know that their rules file corrupts > tapes. First thing would be to detect these packages. This could >

Re: Bug#439824: ITP: sanduhr -- An alarm clock designed as an hourglass (formerly in Debian)

* Thanasis Kinias [Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:49:20 -0700]: > This package is in stable but has been removed from testing and unstable > because the upstream developer and previous maintainer have abandoned > it. And has this situation changed? In the home page of the project I don't see any new release

many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

Hi folks, Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE is set. That happens if your rules script uses something like tar -c modules | bzip2 -9 > omfs.tar.bz2 for example. If $TAPE is set, then tar writes to $TAPE instead of stdout (possibly corrupting the tape you had