Re: Dependencies on shared libs, news and difference between archs

2007-08-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 15:19:02 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > I think my work is mostly ready for unstable as it is. The last step is to > > convince Guillem Jover, the main dpkg maintainer, to merge that in the > > master branch. He believes that

Work-needing packages report for Aug 31, 2007

2007-08-30 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 401 (new: 7) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 77 (new: 1) Total number of packages requeste

Re: deb-ice -- violating the GPL since 2007-08-14

2007-08-30 Thread Luca Brivio
Hi, ven 31 agosto 2007, Robert Edmonds ha scritto: > [...] > > The aggregator needs to either immediately stop distributing this ISO or > provide source code for the components that require source code and > clarify that the entire work is not under a single GPL license. I believe -legal and per

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, news and difference between archs

2007-08-30 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi Raphael, On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 15:19:02 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > I think my work is mostly ready for unstable as it is. The last step is to > convince Guillem Jover, the main dpkg maintainer, to merge that in the > master branch. He believes that supporting odd cases encourages bad > pra

Re: Thoughts about including scsiaddgui

2007-08-30 Thread Reid Priedhorsky
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:00:13 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: >> >> Has there ever been a case where an RFP bug has actually stimulated anyone >> into packaging a given piece of software? > > Yes, I've closed three RFPs during the last month or so, and retitle > another

deb-ice -- violating the GPL since 2007-08-14

2007-08-30 Thread Robert Edmonds
"deb-ice" is a custom Debian distribution, described in [0] and available from [1]. It appears to be a preseeded Debian 4.0 i386 business card ISO built using a web-based tool called LinuxCOE[2], and the aggregator has attempted to place the entire work under a license[3] which appears to be the G

Re: Bugfix/hardware support updates to stable releases?

2007-08-30 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 09:02:32PM -0400, Tim Hull wrote: > > There are plans for an "etch + 1/2" release which would update the > kernel and X server to support newer hardware. I don't what the status > or timetable for this is.\ > > > This would be great. I'm curious who is worki

Re: Bugfix/hardware support updates to stable releases?

2007-08-30 Thread Tim Hull
> There are plans for an "etch + 1/2" release which would update the > kernel and X server to support newer hardware. I don't what the status > or timetable for this is.\ This would be great. I'm curious who is working on it... Why not use backports.org? Well, none of what I need is there. (

Re: Bugfix/hardware support updates to stable releases?

2007-08-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 20:05 -0400, Tim Hull wrote: > Hi, > > About a month ago I inquired here as to what Debian is doing regarding > backported updates for stable releases. I did get some good responses > to that thread, and I see why Debian doesn't expend too much energy > making significant upd

Re: Bugfix/hardware support updates to stable releases?

2007-08-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, Tim Hull wrote: > I've also had to backport libgksu to get a fix for a problem which > causes there to be an extremely high amount of CPU wakeups when gksu > is used (as that kills battery life). The best thing for this is to use backports.org, and in the cases where a package

Bugfix/hardware support updates to stable releases?

2007-08-30 Thread Tim Hull
Hi, About a month ago I inquired here as to what Debian is doing regarding backported updates for stable releases. I did get some good responses to that thread, and I see why Debian doesn't expend too much energy making significant updates (like new GNOME, Xorg, etc etc) to *stable* releases - it

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread Ben Finney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Quoting Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I received at least one particular nasty reply off list. Which has nothing to do with my messages. Please stop saying you are quoting me when that's not true. -- \ "Probably the earliest flyswatters were nothing mor

Re: what happened to social contract? - Last Post

2007-08-30 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I would greatly appreciate it if anyone who does have some time would > assist me in some manner. I understand that every suggestion I may have > may not be the best course of action. Thanks. Still the wrong list. Please go and stop bothering -devel. You were pointed to

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-08-30 Thread Bruce Sass
On Thu August 30 2007 09:52:13 am Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 04:47:59PM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 10:46:47PM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote: > > > Of course, obviously---for software where there is a choice, but > > > for software which can not be built

Bug#440243: ITP: libcrypt-generatepassword-perl -- Generate secure random pronounceable passwords

2007-08-30 Thread Bogdan Lucaciu
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Bogdan Lucaciu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libcrypt-generatepassword-perl Version : 0.03 Upstream Author : Jörg Walter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Crypt-GeneratePassword * License : GPL

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread icelinux
How dare you. You are effectively telling me that, because I care about Debian users, you can tell me what I should do with the time I devote to Debian, merely because you are a user. You are telling me that you know better than I do what I can do to benefit Debian users. Sorry, it doesn't work

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread Roger Leigh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Quoting Micha Lenk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Hi nameless one, > lol, I need to think up a name, hmm what shall it be? I hate having > my name posted all over the internet. Being anonymous is suspicious. Please use your real name, like every single other poster on thi

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread Peter Samuelson
First, please STOP your habit of replying to the same message 4 or 5 times. I will do you the courtesy of reading your first reply, but probably not the rest, I just don't have that kind of time. Your multiple replies rarely add any substance anyway. [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> I think your problem is

Bug#440227: ITP: silvertree -- high quality 3D RPG for a single player

2007-08-30 Thread Debian Games Team
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Debian Games Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: silvertree Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : David White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.silvertreerpg.org/ * License : GPL v2 or later Programming Lang: C++

Re: Thoughts about including scsiaddgui

2007-08-30 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 08:22:36AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: >> Yes. Except that you don't have to go trying to find someone. You should >> file a RFP bug against wnpp and wait until someone has sufficient >> interest and skills to take on the maintenance of this pac

menu policy & use of doc-base for programming documentation

2007-08-30 Thread Eric Cooper
The Debian OCaml maintenance team is looking at how to organize the HTML documentation provided by the various OCaml packages. Our first thought was to use doc-base, but according to the doc-base documentation, the hierarchy is determined by the Debian menu sub-policy (http://www.debian.org/doc/pa

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

2007-08-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Jörg Sommer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you really suggest to take care of broken environemts, you should > think about such ugliness: > % cat Makefile > # I need this, because /bin/sh is dash at me. > SHELL=/bin/bash > clean: > rm bla > ls -ld /proc//exe > % env -i rm='()

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

2007-08-30 Thread Jörg Sommer
Hi, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:15:35 +0300, Riku Voipio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >>> >> Many packages FTBFS (silently!) if an environment variable TAPE is >>> >> set. >>> Perhaps dpkg-buildpackage should unset TAPE...? > >> pbuilder and other tools alr

Re: what happened to social contract? - Last Post

2007-08-30 Thread icelinux
I would greatly appreciate it if anyone who does have some time would assist me in some manner. I understand that every suggestion I may have may not be the best course of action. Thanks. "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." Albert Einstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread icelinux
I confirm, your post are mostly silly. 2 out of how many, that is hardly confirmation. Shall we take a vote? If you want to convince everyone here that Debian does not care about its >users That is the way it sounds from most of the responses I have received. Those are only the minorit

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 06:33:56PM +0200, Jean Parpaillon wrote: > If you want to make me laugh, go on posting :-) As a general rule, please don't encourage more off-topic posts. I know debian-devel is pretty unique in this regard as even its regulars like to reply to off-topic posts, but re

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-08-30 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 10:05:25AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: > Opera could offer an apt reporitory for the .deb, much like skype is doing > it. But they do already: grep opera /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://deb.opera.com/opera unstable non-free Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread icelinux
One issue is that only a few programs appear in the IceWM menu. The rest you need to know the names of and type in by hand. I can of course create a menu if I have a prepackaged selection of software, which is what I am working on. "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-08-30 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 09:23:05AM -0700, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > and there's precedent with the netscape communicator packages from the > > pre-mozilla days. These were statically linked against several things > > afaik, motif iirc.

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread icelinux
Huh? Err, I've used IceWM in the past in debian without having to try hard at all (apt-get install icewm... wow... that was difficult!) and I'm currently using ion3 (guess how I installed that... oh, yes, apt-get install ion3)... Of course, synaptics can easily be run in any of the window managers

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread Jean Parpaillon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 30.08.2007 18:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > Quoting Maarten Verwijs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> What?!?! >> >> You've sent 60+ silly posts to the devel-list and only *one* nasty reply >> off list!?? >> >> And people dare insinuate Debian Devs are

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread icelinux
Quoting Micha Lenk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi nameless one, lol, I need to think up a name, hmm what shall it be? I hate having my name posted all over the internet. And here we might get to a consensus again: Actually you *do* care about a scsiaddgui package *personally* by suggesting to inc

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-08-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > and there's precedent with the netscape communicator packages from the > pre-mozilla days. These were statically linked against several things > afaik, motif iirc. One of the reasons to go to such lengths for Netscape was that at the time there really was

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread Micha Lenk
Hi nameless icelinux-mate, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I also think many of those here are sabotaging Debian and the entire > free software community with the manner in which they respond to > newcomers. The amount of time required to "spoonfeed" as one person > put it, a person who wants t

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread icelinux
Quoting Maarten Verwijs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: What?!?! You've sent 60+ silly posts to the devel-list and only *one* nasty reply off list!?? And people dare insinuate Debian Devs are rude. One is too many. In addition you may consider that your "perception" of silly may not be held by the

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread icelinux
Quoting Maarten Verwijs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: a) It is silly because you perceive it to be son, a not necessarily accurate conclusion. b) One is too many. "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." Albert Einstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-08-30 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 04:47:59PM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 10:46:47PM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote: > > Of course, obviously---for software where there is a choice, but for > > software which can not be built from source because it is closed or > > not redistributable once mo

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-08-30 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 12:43:16PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks, can someone give me a few ideas of some things I > can do with packages such as this to gather information > before I bring then to the debian devs to work with me > on getting the issues corrected? I think resolvin

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread Maarten Verwijs
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 11:16:30AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Quoting Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I received at least one particular nasty reply off list. What?!?! You've sent 60+ silly posts to the devel-list and only *one* nasty reply off list!?? And people dare insinuate Deb

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread Micha Lenk
Hi nameless one, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I can understand that there may be legal reasons why such a piece of > software is not able to be made available. I cannot understand what > place complaints about extra work belong in the discussion. It is not > as if I am just complaining about

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-08-30 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 10:46:47PM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote: > Of course, obviously---for software where there is a choice, but for > software which can not be built from source because it is closed or > not redistributable once modified (which seems to be the case with > Opera), putting a staticall

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread Brett Parker
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 11:16:30AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Quoting Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I received at least one particular nasty reply off list. > Can I suggest that if you're not actually going to quote someone, you at least remove the line that says "Quoting $name".

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread Brett Parker
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 10:55:25AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I trying to assist with providing a higher level of functionality to > many people who want or need to use an alternative window manager I > highly suggest someone actually install Debian and then install one of > these

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread icelinux
Quoting Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I received at least one particular nasty reply off list. -- "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." Albert Einstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-08-30 Thread Maarten Verwijs
Icelinux, On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 12:12:36PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yes, that is why I am asking these questions. Your very enthousiasting and energetic. This is a good thing. However, your questions are not what this list is for. I suggest you redirect your questions to the Debia

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread icelinux
Quoting Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I also think many of those here are sabotaging Debian and the entire free software community with the manner in which they respond to newcomers. The amount of time required to "spoonfeed" as one person put it, a person who wants to help but does not

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread icelinux
Quoting Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] since you've picked something that involves non-free stuff, you've immediately ruled out most of the people who're active on this list, who're here because they want to make a completely free operating syst

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread Brett Parker
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:46:39AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Quoting Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > We don't really have time for either sort - that is > >what debian-mentors and slashdot, respectively, are for. > > Hmm, yes I wonder what people would think were we to post the

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread Brett Parker
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:34:21AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Quoting Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Also, lest we all forget, I am a Debian user. So what you say to me > you say to us all. Err, I'm a debian user too, but I don't think that anything they've said to you they're

xerces28

2007-08-30 Thread Jay Berkenbilt
I have uploaded xerces-c 2.8.0 rc1 to experimental as xerces28. Their release cycle was very fast, so during the (quite acceptable amount of) time it took xerces28 to clear NEW, upstream has already frozen for the 2.8.0 release which is expected out in the next few weeks. If you use xerces27, pl

Re: Bug#439940: ITP: darcs-monitor -- Darcs add-on that sends mail about newly pushed changes

2007-08-30 Thread John Goerzen
FYI, I have some similar code that works with both Darcs and Mercurial at http://hg.complete.org/commithooks though I have not taken the time to set it up for packaging. On Tue August 28 2007 11:26:09 am Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: "Antti-Juhani Ka

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread Ben Finney
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [...] since you've picked something that involves non-free stuff, > you've immediately ruled out most of the people who're active on > this list, who're here because they want to make a completely free > operating system, for which opera just isn't relev

Re: what happened to social contract?

2007-08-30 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 10:41:10PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > # Our priorities are our users and free software > I must have misunderstood, I thought this was what Debian was all > about. Which is fine, but the problem is there's so many ways of working on those priorities that nobody can

Re: Thoughts about including scsiaddgui

2007-08-30 Thread François Févotte
On 8/30/07, Steinar H. Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has there ever been a case where an RFP bug has actually stimulated anyone > into packaging a given piece of software? Just to add my own little example to those cited before: I recently packaged sqlitebrowser, for which an RFP had been

Re: Thoughts about including scsiaddgui

2007-08-30 Thread Michael Casadevall
Hi, On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 09:43 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 08:22:36AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > > Yes. Except that you don't have to go trying to find someone. You should > > file a RFP bug against wnpp and wait until someone has sufficient > > interest and sk

Re: Thoughts about including scsiaddgui

2007-08-30 Thread gregor herrmann
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:43:46 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > Has there ever been a case where an RFP bug has actually stimulated anyone > into packaging a given piece of software? IIRC I have packaged a few perl modules which had RFPs. That's one of the goals of the Debian Perl Group [0] alt

Re: Thoughts about including scsiaddgui

2007-08-30 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 09:43:46AM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > Has there ever been a case where an RFP bug has actually stimulated anyone > into packaging a given piece of software? I packaged TenDRA as a result of an RFP (this predated using the BTS for WNPP). I'd just packaged it for

Re: Thoughts about including scsiaddgui

2007-08-30 Thread Ben Finney
"Steinar H. Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Has there ever been a case where an RFP bug has actually stimulated > anyone into packaging a given piece of software? The pattern I usually see is that the RFP is a signal that somebody wants it to be done, and when someone steps up with an IT

Re: Thoughts about including scsiaddgui

2007-08-30 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 08:22:36AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > Yes. Except that you don't have to go trying to find someone. You should > file a RFP bug against wnpp and wait until someone has sufficient > interest and skills to take on the maintenance of this package in > Debian. Has there ever

Re: Thoughts about including scsiaddgui

2007-08-30 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:26:58 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Quoting Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > If you are going to be the Debian Maintainer for this package, you > > should be able to at least understand error reports from the package > > which is very difficult if you don't un