How to detect if inside a buildd chroot

2007-09-24 Thread Sebastian Dröge
Hi, does somebody know about a solution to check whether one runs in a buildd chroot or not? I need this to prevent hal from starting in buildd chroots (via invoke-rc.d from postinst) as it breaks there because of several reasons, including no /sys mounted. This currently makes it impossible to ha

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-24 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-09-25 kello 12:19 +1000, Ben Finney kirjoitti: > Andre Majorel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > How do you determine that being able to [parse email addresses in > > package metadata] is more important than concerns over disseminating > > other people's email addresses without their permiss

Re: Bug#443904: ITP: jugglemaster -- graphical siteswap simulator

2007-09-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 24-Sep-07, 17:21 (CDT), Helmut Grohne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Description : graphical siteswap animator > > JuggleMaster is a siteswap animator. If you know what that is, great. > If you don't, you can just install the program and look at some of the > builtin patterns, without unde

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-24 Thread Ben Finney
Andre Majorel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How do you determine that being able to [parse email addresses in > package metadata] is more important than concerns over disseminating > other people's email addresses without their permission ? They're distributing a work, with their chosen contact e

Re: Building packages with exact binary matches

2007-09-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 03:34:35PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: >> You seem to be suggesting that policy should require this *before* it >> becomes common practice. That's not generally how policy is crafted: >> Debian policy generally does not prescribe packa

Text mode forever (or why all is so boring?)

2007-09-24 Thread Oleg Verych
I like text mode. Not because X and vga (adapters) sux, but because i have no art vision at all. I amazed by any trivial paining and drawing, required in art/architecture courses (not by official art, though). I happened to see some ascii art occasionally, never thought, that there was/is some kin

Re: Building packages with exact binary matches

2007-09-24 Thread Benjamin A'Lee
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 12:04:15AM +0200, Martin Uecker wrote: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Actually, if you do not trust the path down which a binary > > package flows, you can not use any information down that flow path to > > test your implementation. You need to do

Re: Building packages three times in a row

2007-09-24 Thread Jörg Sommer
Hallo Goswin, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some tools use randomization to get out of worst case situations or > general optimization. For example when you look for an optimal > allocation of register usage you can do a search by picking a random > register allocation and repe

Re: Building packages with exact binary matches

2007-09-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:04:15 +0200, Martin Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:56:45 +0200, Martin Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> said: >> Actually, if you do not trust the path down which a binary package >> flows, you can not

Re: Bug#443769: rt2500-source: Missing dependency on bzip2

2007-09-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 08:43:09PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Hamish Moffatt [Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:18:34 +1000]: > > > Perhaps rt2500-source should recommend bzip2? The relationship seems to > > fit the definition - a package that is usually installed along with it > > but not strictly require

Bug#443904: ITP: jugglemaster -- graphical siteswap simulator

2007-09-24 Thread Helmut Grohne
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Helmut Grohne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: jugglemaster Version : 0.4 Upstream Authors: Gary Briggs, Per Johan Groland, Ken Matsuoka, Greg Gilbert * URL : http://icculus.org/jugglemaster/ * License : GPL and modifi

Re: Building packages three times in a row

2007-09-24 Thread Martin Uecker
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 08:35:50PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Martin Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I think it would be really cool if the Debian policy required > > that packages could be rebuild bit-identical from source. > > At the moment, it is impossible to independly verif

Re: Building packages with exact binary matches

2007-09-24 Thread Martin Uecker
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:56:45 +0200, Martin Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > If policy would require the exact reproducability of binaries, then it > > would be a policy violation. > >That is not how things work around here. In a case l

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-24 Thread paddy
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 09:02:23PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 01:17:44PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > On 24-Sep-07, 04:30 (CDT), Andre Majorel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 2007-09-24 18:21 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > > > Andre Majorel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-24 Thread paddy
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 01:17:44PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 24-Sep-07, 04:30 (CDT), Andre Majorel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2007-09-24 18:21 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > > Andre Majorel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > On 2007-09-23 17:22 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > >

Re: Building packages three times in a row

2007-09-24 Thread paddy
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 08:35:50PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Some tools use randomization to get out of worst case situations or > general optimization. For example when you look for an optimal > allocation of register usage you can do a search by picking a random > register allocatio

Re: Bug#443769: rt2500-source: Missing dependency on bzip2

2007-09-24 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Hamish Moffatt [Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:18:34 +1000]: > Perhaps rt2500-source should recommend bzip2? The relationship seems to > fit the definition - a package that is usually installed along with it > but not strictly required. Can you tell us in which "unusual installation" is a package that *on

Re: Building packages three times in a row

2007-09-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Martin Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Patrick Winnertz wrote: >> Am Dienstag, 18. September 2007 21:12:44 schrieb Julien Cristau: >> > > Hmmhh, what do you do about programs etc that encode the build-time in >> > > the binary? I mean they obviously will change between builds? >> > >> > Hopef

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 24-Sep-07, 04:30 (CDT), Andre Majorel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2007-09-24 18:21 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > Andre Majorel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > On 2007-09-23 17:22 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > > > The package should include in the copyright file the correct email > >

Re: Bug#443769: rt2500-source: Missing dependency on bzip2

2007-09-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-Sep-07, 19:18 (CDT), Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 12:00:25AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 08:40 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > I wouldn't expect rt2500-source to depend on bzip2 any more than I > > > expect any package provi

Re: How to start porting to a new ARCHITECTURE?

2007-09-24 Thread Shachar Shemesh
David Given wrote: > You've got two major tasks ahead of you: > > - - port gcc > > - - port the kernel > > - - cross-compile a basic userland > Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition. Actually, there is one more major headache, which is porting a boot loader. Probably uBoot or something similar

Re: Building packages with exact binary matches

2007-09-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:30:48 -0400, Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 03:34:35PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: >> You seem to be suggesting that policy should require this *before* it >> becomes common practice. That's not generally how policy is crafted: >> Debian policy

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Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-24 Thread Andre Majorel
On 2007-09-24 18:21 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Andre Majorel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On 2007-09-23 17:22 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > > The package should include in the copyright file the correct email > > > address for whatever contact information the upstream author(s) > > > use to

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-24 Thread Ben Finney
Andre Majorel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 2007-09-23 17:22 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > The package should include in the copyright file the correct email > > address for whatever contact information the upstream author(s) > > use to receive queries from users and other people. > > This e

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-24 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Andre Majorel wrote: > This email address will be used by humans. Why does it have to be > machine readable ? Because it will be read by machines too, of course. Unless you plan on never allowing the information in the copyright file to be extracted by anything which is rather

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-24 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:02:01 +0200, Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 11150 March 1977, Marc Haber wrote: >>>Same goes for those idiots with >>>"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" addresses. >> Using a plus sign in the mail address is a _very_ _very_ effective >> spam filter. > >I dont care about the +.

Re: Building packages with exact binary matches

2007-09-24 Thread Clint Adams
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 03:34:35PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > You seem to be suggesting that policy should require this *before* it > becomes common practice. That's not generally how policy is crafted: > Debian policy generally does not prescribe packaging practice, but > rather describes it. Cal

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-24 Thread Andre Majorel
On 2007-09-23 17:22 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, Andre Majorel wrote: > > On 2007-09-20 23:10 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > > > > I would not be against a policy requirement that email addresses > > > in package metadata should be the literal address without > > > munging. > >

Re: Building packages three times in a row

2007-09-24 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 23/09/07 at 23:32 +0200, Martin Uecker wrote: > > Patrick Winnertz wrote: > > Am Dienstag, 18. September 2007 21:12:44 schrieb Julien Cristau: > > > > Hmmhh, what do you do about programs etc that encode the build-time in > > > > the binary? I mean they obviously will change between builds? > >