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Il giorno 19/nov/07, alle ore 14:34, Marco d'Itri ha scritto:
Ricordo l'esistenza di https://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php .
in effetti... :)
Come al solito io non ho problemi a firmare qualche chiave se
l'interessato passa in ufficio da me.
Le lundi 19 novembre 2007 à 08:08 +0100, Norbert Preining a écrit :
- the pdf can be regenerated albeit with minor quality.
- shipping the higher quality document helps the user more than shipping
a lower quality document
Why would the XML-based document be lower quality? If dblatex is used
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
- the pdf can be regenerated albeit with minor quality.
- shipping the higher quality document helps the user more than shipping
a lower quality document
Why would the XML-based document be lower quality? If dblatex is used
for generating the
On 11208 March 1977, Charles Plessy wrote:
- despite the absence of latex sources one is allowed to take a
html, pdf or ps editor and modify the old documentation in the
.orig.tar.gz under the terms of the LGPL;
Despite the absence of c source one is allowed to take a .so file and a
On 11208 March 1977, Norbert Preining wrote:
Other questions arising from this:
What if upstream ships a pdf AND the source, but the generation of the
pdf relies on not-available fonts.
If you know it - contrib. (And one should know, as one should try
rebuilding it at least once).
I would
Le Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 10:46:14AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert a écrit :
On 11208 March 1977, Charles Plessy wrote:
- despite the absence of latex sources one is allowed to take a
html, pdf or ps editor and modify the old documentation in the
.orig.tar.gz under the terms of the LGPL;
Hi Jörg,
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
- the source is present, no freedom is taken: The document is present,
the source code.
- the pdf can be regenerated albeit with minor quality.
Thats different to relies on not-available fonts.
Relies == cant be build without them.
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* Norbert Preining:
What if upstream ships a pdf AND the source, but the generation of the
pdf relies on not-available fonts.
I would still ship this pdf into my Debian package out of the following
reasons:
The embedded fonts are still restricted, so it has to go into non-free
(perhaps
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Florian Weimer wrote:
The embedded fonts are still restricted, so it has to go into non-free
These fonts are not the full fonts, but sub-setted. Otherwise type
companies would NEVER allow any distribution of pdfs with their fonts.
But they do.
Best wishes
Norbert
* Norbert Preining:
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Florian Weimer wrote:
The embedded fonts are still restricted, so it has to go into non-free
These fonts are not the full fonts, but sub-setted. Otherwise type
companies would NEVER allow any distribution of pdfs with their fonts.
But they do.
But
Well, I still think that there is a difference between a PDF file and a
binary executable, and that in any case, a PDF file is not a program
in the same sense as the commands and applications we use, but since
this discussion already happened before, I will not try to change the
mind of the
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
I think we need to make a difference here if upstream's original
document is the pdf - or if the pdf was created from xml/tex/... source.
It's not common to create documentations as pdf file in pdfedit or Adobe
Acrobat, but it may happen, and then they
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Florian Weimer wrote:
These fonts are not the full fonts, but sub-setted. Otherwise type
companies would NEVER allow any distribution of pdfs with their fonts.
But they do.
But this doesn't mean that you are allowed to extract those subsets, put
Sorry, this is wrong.
On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 10:23:36AM +0600, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(Unfortunately, you might have to parse groff's warning text in order
to ignore particular cases.)
I'm not familiar with Groff at all... Does it allow later `.de'
to override
* Norbert Preining:
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Florian Weimer wrote:
These fonts are not the full fonts, but sub-setted. Otherwise type
companies would NEVER allow any distribution of pdfs with their fonts.
But they do.
But this doesn't mean that you are allowed to extract those subsets, put
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Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Norbert Preining:
These fonts are not the full fonts, but sub-setted. Otherwise type
companies would NEVER allow any distribution of pdfs with their fonts.
But they do.
But this doesn't mean that you are
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Russ Allbery wrote:
In the absence of an explicit copyright license, Debian has generally
taken the conservative position that just because something is available
for download doesn't grant an implicit license, and hence doesn't mean
that you can redistribute it or make any
Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Russ Allbery wrote:
In the absence of an explicit copyright license, Debian has generally
taken the conservative position that just because something is
available for download doesn't grant an implicit license, and hence
doesn't
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
- the source is present, no freedom is taken: The document is present,
the source code.
- the pdf can be regenerated albeit with minor quality.
Thats different to relies on not-available fonts.
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
I think we need to make a difference here if upstream's original
document is the pdf - or if the pdf was created from xml/tex/... source.
It's not common to create documentations as pdf file in pdfedit or
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Russ Allbery wrote:
Of course, that free to use and distribute is not sufficient for Debian
main. They would also have to grant a license to create derivative works
and distribute those derivative works, including the derivative work of
Argg, yes, here we are again. What
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Don Armstrong wrote:
If the author uses the pdf, it's the pdf. If the author uses the tex,
Umpf, how do you proof/ensure that the source of a pdf is the pdf?
I hope you don't trust the PDF Producer field and similar?
So, we are settled, I could - just for the sake of
Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Argg, yes, here we are again. What matters to me is that a user can use
the INFORMATION in the document, i.e. the actual source and use it in
case he makes a derived work.
And it matters to me that people can get optimal typographic quality.
So
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Don Armstrong wrote:
If the author uses the pdf, it's the pdf. If the author uses the tex,
Umpf, how do you proof/ensure that the source of a pdf is the pdf? I
hope you don't trust the PDF Producer field and similar?
You
On 11208 March 1977, Norbert Preining wrote:
Do the DFSG apply to design???
The DFSG apply to stuff thats put into our archive.
And you know, our SC states Debian will remain 100% free, it doesnt
say Free Software.
Well, we are doomed to ship crippled variants of beautiful documents.
People
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On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 10:52:21PM +0100, Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]
was heard to say:
On Mo, 19 Nov 2007, Don Armstrong wrote:
If the author uses the pdf, it's the pdf. If the author uses the tex,
Umpf, how do you proof/ensure that the source of a pdf is the pdf?
I hope you don't
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:44:51 +0900, Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Just to be sure... I am running postfix now just to find out the same
questions you have...
I see no practical reason to run postfix on desktop machine now except
if postfix is something you are very familiar with...
* Stefan Fritsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [071116 13:03]:
is unset. (Actually, some scripts use ${LD_LIBRARY_PATH+:
$LD_LIBRARY_PATH}, which seems to work, too. But this is not
documented in the bash man page, at least I can't find it.)
The difference between ${PARAMETER:+WORD} and
Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For me, exim4 is better:
* less memory on run time
* mailname is implimented as expected by the policy.
Postfix has a reputation for being faster and more secure than exim.
Why is it worth worrying about, though? Are the difference between exim
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