Manoj Srivastava debian.org> writes:
>
> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:11:53 +0100, Matthias Klose cs.tu-berlin.de>
said:
>
> > IIRC we cannot assume that debian/rules is a makefile and pass them as
> > macros directly, so we have to pass them as environment variables.
>
> I think you rememb
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On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 08:15:08AM +, Frank Küster wrote:
> Indeed - but there's a bug, #432564, requesting to change it.
Hmm. Which seems quiet controversal. Maybe the DD should find a decision
on this, before anything else? But this topic is again an example why
changing debian/rules to some
On Wednesday 05 December 2007, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
> I've been testing this for a couple of months and didn't found any
> problems on my configuration.
>
> But since no other user asked for this for years and KDE3 will be replace
> in the near future by KDE4 (i hope), I don't know if it is wort
Fellow Debianistas...
At work we are using syslog-ng a lot and it's very useful for a central
logging server. However I don't like the syntax because it's verbose and
typo-prone. So I was looking at metalog and seeing it orphaned I decided
to adopt it (#423299). I've started bringing the package i
Kind of reviving an old thread, but anyway:
On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 07:12:35PM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
> I believe it to be one of the more important bits of a standard Unix
> *desktop* installation - but this just reminds me of the fact that I'm
> quite uncomfortable with keeping a s
Christoph Haas schrieb:
> Fellow Debianistas...
>
> At work we are using syslog-ng a lot and it's very useful for a central
> logging server. However I don't like the syntax because it's verbose and
> typo-prone.
You might take a look at rsyslog then. It basically has the same syntax
as stock sys
Hello everybody,
please forgive me if this is the wrong address; simply point me to a better
place, and I'll be off.
Does someone know if "Sheldon Hearn" is MIA?
I had some conversations with him in September; I last heard from him on Sept.
26th. Since then I've tried to reach him, but didn'
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It also includes, but afaics, probably doesn't need to (anymore):
>
> ispell, dictionaries-common, iamerican, ibritish, wamerican
> m4, texinfo (???)
texinfo possibly for info and dating from the days of needing to have an
info reader to get
On 06-Dec-07, 07:09 (CST), Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'd like to hear your opinions on whether alternative syslog daemons
> would need to use the exact same paths and file names as the sysklogd
> does. syslog-ng's default config mimics sysklogd's behavior. At least
> switching
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usertag 432564 +dubious
thanks
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:15:08 + (UTC), Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava debian.org> writes:
>>
>> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:11:53 +0100, Matthias Klose > cs.tu-berlin.de>
> said:
>>
>> > IIRC we cannot assume that d
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:01:43 +1000, Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Haven't we more or less already moved away from priorities as meaning
> anything particularly important? We have:
> * required/essential -- stuff that can't be removed: libc, dpkg,etc
Packages which are require
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> a) Adds no practical value
It's about rejecting a change to policy; I don't see why it should add
practical value.
> b) does not represent current practice
> c) not implementing the proposal is not a technical hindrance to any
> package
Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> b) does not represent current practice
>> c) not implementing the proposal is not a technical hindrance to any
>> package
> This is the same point. Just for the record, there's a small set of
>
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:23:16 +0100, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> a) Adds no practical value
> It's about rejecting a change to policy; I don't see why it should
> add practical value.
The change was made in 2001. That is nearl
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:01:43 +1000, Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>> Haven't we more or less already moved away from priorities as meaning
>> anything particularly important? We have:
>
>> optional -- all the good software in the world
>> extra -- obscure stu
Christoph Haas wrote:
Fellow Debianistas...
At work we are using syslog-ng a lot and it's very useful for a central
logging server. However I don't like the syntax because it's verbose and
typo-prone. So I was looking at metalog and seeing it orphaned I decided
to adopt it (#423299). I've starte
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:42:06AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > It also includes, but afaics, probably doesn't need to (anymore):
> > ispell, dictionaries-common, iamerican, ibritish, wamerican
> > m4, texinfo (???)
> texinfo possibly for info a
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:26:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > I'm not sure if there's any point to continuing to try to make sure
> > that nothing >= optional conflicts with anything else >= optional.
> Hmm. Can you elaborate on this, please? Is it because it is too
> hard to achi
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Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:42:06AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
>>> tcsh (people who remember what it is know how to install it)
>> Having a /bin/csh falls into "present on all Unix systems and likely to
>> provoke WTF reactions if not there."
> Wh
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> d) stands in the way of technical proposals like passing information
> >> to the build system on the command line
> >> e) prevents people from relying on make semantics for builds.
>
> > The two above points are the same argument. The only prop
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:54:29 +0100, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I got the feeling it was flaky from the criticism I read on
> debian-policy@ and that it couldn't work for all Makefiles; for example
> someone proposed to "make -f debian/rules -pn | grep '^build-arch:'"
> but this obvious
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am convinced that this bug report is of dubious value, and if
> Russ agrees, I am going to just mark this report as closed, or as
> wontfix.
Yup, I tagged this one dubious myself a while back. I agree with closing
it. I know that not ev
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 04:51:29AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:42:06AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>time (???)
Likewise. time is a standard Unix program.
And which is a built-in on bash, tcsh and zsh, so doesn't seem terr
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 06:55:12PM +, Neil Williams wrote:
I'd like 'extra' to disappear - so if there is a move to do that, I'm
all for it.
I disagree with this. I think that this distinction is useful, and I
have in the past filed bugs because of it. Granted, IANADD, but I do
the occa
"brian m. carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 04:51:29AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
>>On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:42:06AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
>>> Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> > time (???)
>>> Likewise. time is a standard Unix program.
>>
>>And
brian m. carlson wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 06:55:12PM +, Neil Williams wrote:
>> I'd like 'extra' to disappear - so if there is a move to do that, I'm
>> all for it.
>
> I disagree with this. I think that this distinction is useful, and I
> have in the past filed bugs because of it. G
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On Thu, Dec 06, 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> *Sigh*.
> __> make -pn build-arch | grep '^build-arch'
> build-arch:
> OK?
Dude, there's no need to sigh out loudly; "make -pn $target" doesn't
change anything, but you didn't even read the rest of my point: that
packages were *alr
Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There is no functional or useful distinction between optional and extra,
> as far as I can see - what are you trying to retain?
One distinction we have at the moment that I personally think is useful is
that things that most users don't care about unles
squeak is supposed[0] to be unable to package for debian due to legal
reasons. can you elaborate on the current status?
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On Thu, Dec 06, 2007, Russ Allbery wrote:
>I think we need a clear consensus to change
> it, and I haven't gotten the impression that such a consensus exists.
(Fair enough.)
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Hello there.
I ask for advise.
PHP uses its own OpenSource license which is incompatible with GPL for
some reasons.
eAccelerator[1] is a PHP extension which speeds up php scrips at 10
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Russ Allbery wrote:
> Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Not true. GPE offers a desktop - just not a full Gnome desktop. There
>> are plenty of alternative desktops in optional already. The full GPE
>> environment is quite specialised but Debian does claim to the The
>> Universal OS. E
Bernd Zeimetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Having a /bin/csh falls into "present on all Unix systems and likely to
>> provoke WTF reactions if not there." Also, I'm pretty sure that tcsh
>> is very comfortably the second-most-used interactive shell, way ahead
>> of zsh, on Linux systems.
> Alt
Hi,
no, the person isn't listed in the MIA DB... But it isn't interesting to add him
to the DB as he doesn't even maintain one single package in the archive. So -
where's the problem?
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Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I would have put gpe-conf into extra but it needs to depend on packages
> that are in optional because those can be used within Gnome or KDE or
> any other desktop.
I'm missing why this is a problem. Priority: extra packages can depend on
Priority: opt
> Having a /bin/csh falls into "present on all Unix systems and likely to
> provoke WTF reactions if not there." Also, I'm pretty sure that tcsh is
> very comfortably the second-most-used interactive shell, way ahead of
> zsh, on Linux systems.
Although csh is the standard on a lot of systems, i
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:12:57PM +, Neil Williams wrote:
> Whilst most GPE components can be used separately, the full environment
> needs to replace the existing desktop whether that be Gnome or KDE or
> chaos may ensue due to the different needs of the target environments
> and the underlyi
Steve Langasek wrote:
Bah, got the reply address wrong too - should have left this until the
morning . . .
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:12:57PM +, Neil Williams wrote:
>> Whilst most GPE components can be used separately, the full environment
>> needs to replace the existing desktop whether t
Hi,
Philipp Marek wrote:
> I had some conversations with him in September; I last heard from him on
> Sept.
> 26th. Since then I've tried to reach him, but didn't succeed.
> My query is mostly about #428311
> (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=428311).
He seems to have progress
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:48:12PM +, Neil Williams wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:12:57PM +, Neil Williams wrote:
> >> Whilst most GPE components can be used separately, the full environment
> >> needs to replace the existing desktop whether that be Gnome or KDE or
> >> chaos may en
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:34:10 -0800, Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I use "time" in benchmarking scripts.
I do not find the built in time to be a substitute for the good
old fashioned time command. Observe:
__> time sleep 20
Real: 20.03s User: 0.00s System: 0.00s Percent: 0% Cmd
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:36:58PM +, Neil Williams wrote:
brian m. carlson wrote:
There is no functional or useful distinction between optional and extra,
as far as I can see - what are you trying to retain?
If the distinction that is outlined in policy is followed, it is useful.
It guar
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 08:54:29PM +0100, Loïc Minier wrote:
> I got the feeling it was flaky from the criticism I read on
> debian-policy@ and that it couldn't work for all Makefiles; for example
> someone proposed to "make -f debian/rules -pn | grep '^build-arch:'"
> but this obviously wont f
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:34:10 -0800, Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>> I use "time" in benchmarking scripts.
>
> I do not find the built in time to be a substitute for the good
> old fashioned time command. [...]
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On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 05:09:36PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:34:10 -0800, Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > I use "time" in benchmarking scripts.
> I do not find the built in time to be a substitute for the good
> old fashioned time command. Observe:
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 05:09:36PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:34:10 -0800, Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> > I use "time" in benchmarking scripts.
>> I do not find the built in time to be a substitute for th
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:28:55 +1000, Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 05:09:36PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:34:10 -0800, Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> said:
>> > I use "time" in benchmarking scripts.
>> I do not find the built in tim
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
last week.
Total number of orphaned packages: 382 (new: 41)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 86 (new: 4)
Total number of packages request
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:26:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:01:43 +1000, Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > * required/essential -- stuff that can't be removed: libc, dpkg,etc
>
> Packages which are required to be present for the packaging
> system
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Then why in the world are you using "build-%" if you don't support
> build-arch? What other values of '%' are you using?
build-python2.4, build-python2.5...
With constructs like:
PYVERS := $(shell pyversions -vr debian/control 2>/d
On jeu, 2007-12-06 at 23:11 +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> Although csh is the standard on a lot of systems, including OSX
OSX uses bash by default since Panther (10.3).
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On Friday 07 December 2007 01:02:14 Thomas Viehmann wrote:
> He seems to have progressed in creating packages because there is an
> (unanswered) request to sponsor (upload) them[1].
>
> He also posted to debian-kernel in mid-October[2].
My company's been busy with a bid on a government tender to s
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