Robert Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 20:01 +, David Given wrote:
> > 2. For at least some of these devices, even if the source code was
> > available it would add no value, because of legal restrictions
> > governing which firmware blobs can be used on that hardwa
Johannes Wiedersich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > This reasoning, as any security-by-obscurity one, is completely
> > flawed. As long as the firmware is distributed separately, you can
> > modify it, whether it is open source or not. Not having the source
> > never prev
On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 20:28 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
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> Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Being in favor of open-sourcing firmwares (including those controlling
> > critical security devices in cars) does not mean being in favor of
> > letting
On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 18:27 +, David Given wrote:
> Josselin Mouette wrote:
> [...]
> > Or so you think. There are people who can read assembly and hex just as
> > easily as I read C sources. It would probably take only a few days of
> > testing for a hacker with the appropriate skills to remov
On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 20:01 +, David Given wrote:
>
> 1. Some devices require firmware blobs with no source available.
> Because
> of this, such firmware can't be distributed in Debian.
ack.
> 2. For at least some of these devices, even if the source code was
> available it would add no valu
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
[...]
> Up until 1968 the same reasoning wasused to present people from
> connecting anything but phones provided by Bell to the Bell telephone
> network. You were not even allowed to connect a modem through an
> accustic coupler.
If I recall correctly, back in the old days,
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:15:33PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
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> Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le vendredi 07 novembre 2008 à 00:27 +0100, Michelle Konzack a écrit :
> >> The problem is, that even if it is mass production since some time,
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Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Being in favor of open-sourcing firmwares (including those controlling
> critical security devices in cars) does not mean being in favor of
> letting anyone ship their own version. In such cases, there needs to be
> some appro
Josselin Mouette wrote:
[...]
> Or so you think. There are people who can read assembly and hex just as
> easily as I read C sources. It would probably take only a few days of
> testing for a hacker with the appropriate skills to remove firmware
> restrictions for reaching a frequency range, for ex
Le vendredi 07 novembre 2008 à 17:15 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich a
écrit :
> Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > This reasoning, as any security-by-obscurity one, is completely flawed.
> > As long as the firmware is distributed separately, you can modify it,
> > whether it is open source or not. Not having
Le vendredi 07 novembre 2008 à 19:37 +0300, Всеволод Величко a écrit :
> I need help from expereinced maintainers, because I don't know, how to
> do it right.
> I have some QT program, qutIM, which should be builded by cmake. Also,
> there is a number of plugins, who use qmake for building and are
Hello, all.
I need help from expereinced maintainers, because I don't know, how to do it
right.
I have some QT program, qutIM, which should be builded by cmake. Also, there
is a number of plugins, who use qmake for building and are developed as
separate branches. For plugin compilation its source
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Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 07 novembre 2008 à 00:27 +0100, Michelle Konzack a écrit :
>> The problem is, that even if it is mass production since some time, I
>> can not distribute the firmware as open source since it change the
>>
Does pci passthrough work with latest 2.6.26-1-xen debian kernel on both dom0
and domu?
Thanks
Darkbasic
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On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:47 PM, David Given <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Luckily it's very unlikely that Debian will ever having anything to do
> with the labyrinthing maze of potential lawsuits that are involved in
> GSM protocol stacks... what *is* the Debian project's policy on using
> Debian w
Le vendredi 07 novembre 2008 à 00:48 +0100, Michelle Konzack a écrit :
> ??? -- I am willing to do this! It is EUROPEAN LAW which make
> HARDWARE manufacturer responsable if someone MODIFY Firmware and disturb
> public e.g. GSM networks...
Bullshit. You’ll have a hard time finding a cou
Le vendredi 07 novembre 2008 à 00:27 +0100, Michelle Konzack a écrit :
> The problem is, that even if it is mass production since some time, I
> can not distribute the firmware as open source since it change the
> behavour of the hardware which then can distrurb the GSM network.
This reas
Hi there!
Disclaimer: I am a member of the Debian FSO Team [1].
On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:35:16 +0100, David Bremner wrote:
> At Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:27:13 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
>> And as I have already written, I do not know HOW OpenMoko will solv
>> this problem, but FreeRunner/OpenMoko or
A votre aimable attention,
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de la Tombola organisée par La BRIDGE BANK.
Cette Tombola dont le but premier est la publicité de BRIDGE BANK et
l’expansion de ses activités marketing et commerciales, est basée s
Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Am 2008-11-03 12:59:53, schrieb Gunnar Wolf:
> > So probably the end result won't be shipping raw Debian in your
> > product - As you are not willing to release the firmware, Debian
>
> ??? -- I am willing to do this! It is EUROPEAN LAW whi
Faidon Liambotis wrote:
[...]
> IMHO this is FUD well spread by companies that didn't want their IP
> "exposed". Atheros cards don't have any firmware; you can transmit in
> whatever frequency you want to with ath5k/ath9k -- ath9k is distributed
> by Atheros themselves while ath5k is nowdays endors
At Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:27:13 +0100,
Michelle Konzack wrote:
> And as I
> have already written, I do not know HOW OpenMoko will solv this problem,
> but FreeRunner/OpenMoko or PurpleMagic are not allowd to run in Europe
> with Open Source GSM-Firmware. And of course, PurpleMagic has never
>
Does pci passthrough work with latest 2.6.26-1-xen debian kernel on both dom0
and domu?
Thanks
Darkbasic
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Am 2008-11-03 12:59:53, schrieb Gunnar Wolf:
> Michelle Konzack dijo [Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:10:48AM +0100]:
> > Curently I am building a hardware where the parts cost arround 40US$ per
> > device (@10.000) and using the same microcontroller with a "big" FLASH
> > memory would mke this Hardware
Am 2008-11-04 14:02:14, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
> In other words, I think the carrot has better leverage on them than the
> stick. Of course it all depends on who we???re talking, as the stick will
> work just fine on an obscure Chinese manufacturer but not on a
> world-leading company that sells
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