Hello Ben and *,
Am 2008-11-07 22:09:35, schrieb Ben Hutchings:
> That's not true. DFSG only requires that the copyright holder grants
> certain permissions, regardless of whether the law of some jurisdiction
> overrides those permissions. Software could be included in main even if
> it is illeg
Hello David,
Am 2008-11-07 08:35:16, schrieb David Bremner:
> At Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:27:13 +0100,
> Michelle Konzack wrote:
>
> > And as I
> > have already written, I do not know HOW OpenMoko will solv this problem,
> > but FreeRunner/OpenMoko or PurpleMagic are not allowd to run in Europe
> >
On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 00:39 -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 05:05:50PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> >
> > But now we have this claim that the FCC's well-understood rule about
> > hardware does not apply to software: that software modifications *are*
> > traceable back t
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Theodore Tso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oooh does that means Debian is distributing non-free bits?
Yes, same as we've been doing for years - in the non-free part of the archive.
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On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 00:39 -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > And none of this is really relevent: the DFSG and the Social Contract do
> > not contain an exception for dishonest or scared hardware manufacturers,
> > or stupid FCC policies.
>
> Neither does it (currently) contain an exception for debi
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 12:21:26PM +0900, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:11 AM, Theodore Tso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Another choice open to Debian is to make it easier for users to opt
> > into downloading firmware --- perhaps by making very easy through the
> > installer to
On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 05:05:50PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
>
> But now we have this claim that the FCC's well-understood rule about
> hardware does not apply to software: that software modifications *are*
> traceable back to the manufacturer, even though hardware modifications
> are not.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:11 AM, Theodore Tso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another choice open to Debian is to make it easier for users to opt
> into downloading firmware --- perhaps by making very easy through the
> installer to select the non-free section.
For machines where non-free firmware is
This one time, at band camp, Ben Hutchings said:
> On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 00:39 +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote:
> > On Sat, 08 Nov 2008, Theodore Tso wrote:
> >
> > >Fortunately for us, at the
> > > moment I am not aware of large numbers of highly popular l
On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 18:55 -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
>
> The FCC understands that you can't make it *impossible*. Even before
> software radios, it was understood that someone posessing the skills,
> say, of an amateur radio operator might be able to add a resistor or
> capacitor in parallel wi
On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 00:39 +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2008, Theodore Tso wrote:
>
> >Fortunately for us, at the
> > moment I am not aware of large numbers of highly popular laptops or
> > servers for which non-free firmware is necess
Peter wrote:
>On Sat, 08 Nov 2008, Theodore Tso wrote:
>
>>Fortunately for us, at the
>> moment I am not aware of large numbers of highly popular laptops or
>> servers for which non-free firmware is necessary before the firmware
>> would be able to access
On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 03:29:44PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 14:11 -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > There are corporate lawyers who are very much afraid that the FCC
> > could, if they were alerted to the fact that someone had figured out
> > how to reverse engineer th
David Given wrote:
I believe that most if not all firmware images these days are signed or
encrypted.
If they were strongly signed, then there should be no problem
distributing the source code, right? People won't be able to make
modifications. It may not help with DFSG compliance though...
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Regardless, the DFSG doesn't say anything about "unless the FCC has
> an annoying rule". We don't distribute non-free software in Debian.
To forestall yet another round of debate about software vs. firmware:
We don't distribute non-free *anything*
On Sat, 08 Nov 2008, Theodore Tso wrote:
>Fortunately for us, at the
> moment I am not aware of large numbers of highly popular laptops or
> servers for which non-free firmware is necessary before the firmware
> would be able to access the network.
HP D
On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 14:11 -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> There are corporate lawyers who are very much afraid that the FCC
> could, if they were alerted to the fact that someone had figured out
> how to reverse engineer the HAL and/or the firmware to cause their
> WiFi unit to become a "super radio
Le November 8, 2008 09:46:48 am Christian Perrier, vous avez écrit :
>
> i18n work session 2: tdebs
> --
> (notes taken by Marc Hymers)
>
> "tdebs" or "translation debs" are an attempt to achieve two goals, by
> splitting localization material out of packahes:
>
> - reduce
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 12:47:01PM +, David Given wrote:
> In which case things have changed within the past couple of years ---
> after all, the whole purpose of the Atheros HAL was to inforce those FCC
> limits. Do you have any references? Like, to an FCC statement of policy
> change? If so,
Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Open sourcing certain firmware might make it easier for 'random script
> kid' to just try some things out and accidentally causing problems to
> innocent bystanders.
How is this different from open source software? This sounds a bit like
the argument that OSS is less
On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 10:56:36AM -0500, bd_ wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Ryan Niebur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Package: wnpp
> > Owner: Ryan Niebur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Severity: wishlist
> >
> > * Package name: thin
> > Version : 1.0.0
> > Upstream Author : Marc
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Ryan Niebur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Owner: Ryan Niebur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Severity: wishlist
>
> * Package name: thin
> Version : 1.0.0
> Upstream Author : Marc-Andre Cournoyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://co
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* Package name: camlbz2
Version : 0.6.0
Upstream Author : Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://camlbz2.forge.ocamlcore.org/
* License : LGPL with OCaml linking except
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Owner: Ryan Niebur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Version : 1.0.0
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