Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 09:05:29PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:10:56PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > >>Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >>>Right. However, having sbuild run lintian would allow a buildd > >>>maintainer to assess issues with packages by looking

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-17 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:44:54AM +0200, Luk Claes a écrit : > > AFAIK the FTP Team is working on a system to prevent uploads which have > lintian errors. The whole category of lintian errors has already been > assessed and possible overrides are planned to arrive in the NEW queue > at least

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Luk Claes
Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:10:56PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: Right. However, having sbuild run lintian would allow a buildd maintainer to assess issues with packages by looking at *warnings*, rather than 'just' errors. This isn't something an automate

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Luk Claes writes: > AFAIK the FTP Team is working on a system to prevent uploads which have > lintian errors. The whole category of lintian errors has already been > assessed and possible overrides are planned to arrive in the NEW queue > at least once... Please do note that I'm talking about err

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:10:56PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >Right. However, having sbuild run lintian would allow a buildd > >maintainer to assess issues with packages by looking at *warnings*, > >rather than 'just' errors. This isn't something an automated system can > >

Bug#537370: ITP: euca2ools -- managing cloud instances for Eucalyptus

2009-07-17 Thread Steffen Moeller
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Steffen Moeller * Package name: euca2ools Version : 1.0 * URL : http://www.eucalyptus.com/open * License : BSD Description : managing cloud instances for Eucalyptus EUCALYPTUS is an open source service overlay that

Re: The wider implications of dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-07-17 11:45 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 03:14:15AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: >> >> C-A-Bksp disabled by default is an Xorg upstream decision, has nothing >> to do with D-Bus or HAL or whatever. > > This is the real breakage here. It's easy for X to leave you n

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Steffen Moeller (17/07/2009): > > Wouter's comment aside, checks at buildd level would be too late. > > Yes, sure. It'd rather be time for critical packages (say: dpkg-dev, > debhelper, cdbs) to have proper non-regression testsuites. At least dpkg-de

Bug#537348: ITP: haskell-network-bytestring -- Fast, memory-efficient, low-level networking for Haskell

2009-07-17 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Erik de Castro Lopo * Package name: haskell-network-bytestring Version : 0.1.2.1 Upstream Author : Thomas DuBuisson * URL : http://hackage.haskell.org/cgi-bin/hackage-scripts/package/network-bytestring * License : BSD

Re: Should we improve our (internal) communication?

2009-07-17 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 12:51:34 +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:32, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > >>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg6.html > >> Thanks for the pointer, but I'm referring to > >>> the upload queue, is pointed elsewhere during t

Re: Should we improve our (internal) communication?

2009-07-17 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:32, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg6.html >> Thanks for the pointer, but I'm referring to >>> the upload queue, is pointed elsewhere during that time, >> not to the general reorganization of upload queues announced

Re: RFC: DEP-3: Patch Tagging Guidelines

2009-07-17 Thread David Bremner
At Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:00:50 +0200, Guido Günther wrote: > On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 07:24:20PM +0100, James Westby wrote: > > Guido Günther wrote: > > > Which isn't a problem on patch-queue branches since you either can > > > recreate them anytime from what's in debian/patches or simply ammend the

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Steffen Moeller (17/07/2009): > Wouter's comment aside, checks at buildd level would be too late. Yes, sure. It'd rather be time for critical packages (say: dpkg-dev, debhelper, cdbs) to have proper non-regression testsuites. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: The wider implications of dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 17 juillet 2009 à 11:45 +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit : > > C-A-Bksp disabled by default is an Xorg upstream decision, has nothing > > to do with D-Bus or HAL or whatever. > > This is the real breakage here. It's easy for X to leave you no way out, > all it takes is a window manager go

Re: Should we improve our (internal) communication?

2009-07-17 Thread Joerg Jaspert
>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg6.html > Thanks for the pointer, but I'm referring to >> the upload queue, is pointed elsewhere during that time, > not to the general reorganization of upload queues announced with that email. It is *exactly* the point of host-indep

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Luk Claes
Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:44:54AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:19:50AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: Not? Was the originally uploaded package correct? Amazing. Hm. Then, it should be lintian errors that denote a build as a fa

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-07-17, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> AFAIK the FTP Team is working on a system to prevent uploads which >> have lintian errors. The whole category of lintian errors has >> already been assessed and possible overrides are planned to arrive >> in the NEW queue at least once... Please do note tha

Re: The wider implications of dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 03:14:15AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Roger Leigh schrieb: > > > > If you run a current unstable system, with a default (empty) > > xorg.conf this disables C-A-Fn and C-A-Bksp to switch to a > > virtual terminal or kill a dead X server. I noticed that if you > > C-A-Bk

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:44:54AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:19:50AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: > >>Not? Was the originally uploaded package correct? Amazing. Hm. Then, > >>it should be lintian errors that denote a build as a failure, indeed,

Re: How to orphan a package without being the maintainer

2009-07-17 Thread Ben Finney
LIU Qi writes: > Long time ago I ITA(http://bugs.debian.org/430431) a package, > prokyon3. That bug report started as an RFA, which you then retitled to an ITA. > I have not uploaded this package once and I am not the maintainer of > this package. How should I orphan this package? You don't ne

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Luk Claes
Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:19:50AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: Not? Was the originally uploaded package correct? Amazing. Hm. Then, it should be lintian errors that denote a build as a failure, indeed, and these should somehow be detected by the mechanism that uploads th

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:19:50AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: > Not? Was the originally uploaded package correct? Amazing. Hm. Then, > it should be lintian errors that denote a build as a failure, indeed, > and these should somehow be detected by the mechanism that uploads the > packages ... not

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Steffen Moeller
Mike Hommey wrote: > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:57:25AM +0200, Steffen Moeller > wrote: >> Wouter Verhelst wrote: >>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:57:25PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Michael Biebl] > Would it make sense to avoid the upload of "obviously" broken > packages from build

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:57:25AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:57:25PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > >> [Michael Biebl] > >>> Would it make sense to avoid the upload of "obviously" broken > >>> packages from buildds in the future. E.g.

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Steffen Moeller
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:57:25PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: >> [Michael Biebl] >>> Would it make sense to avoid the upload of "obviously" broken >>> packages from buildds in the future. E.g. if lintian detects an >>> error it would need some special inspection from th

Re: How to orphan a package without being the maintainer

2009-07-17 Thread Luk Claes
LIU Qi wrote: Hi all, Long time ago I ITA(http://bugs.debian.org/430431) a package, prokyon3. Because few persons use this software and I switched to gtk instead of qt after I adopted this package (it is qt based), I use this software very rarely and I want to orphan it. I have not uploaded this

Re: How to orphan a package without being the maintainer

2009-07-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, LIU Qi wrote: > Long time ago I ITA(http://bugs.debian.org/430431) a package, prokyon3. > Because few persons use this software and I switched to gtk instead of > qt after I adopted this package (it is qt based), I use this software > very rarely and I want to orp

How to orphan a package without being the maintainer

2009-07-17 Thread LIU Qi
Hi all, Long time ago I ITA(http://bugs.debian.org/430431) a package, prokyon3. Because few persons use this software and I switched to gtk instead of qt after I adopted this package (it is qt based), I use this software very rarely and I want to orphan it. I have not uploaded this package once and

Re: The wider implications of debhelper/dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:57:25PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > [Michael Biebl] > > Would it make sense to avoid the upload of "obviously" broken > > packages from buildds in the future. E.g. if lintian detects an > > error it would need some special inspection from the buildd uploader. > >

Re: Should we improve our (internal) communication?

2009-07-17 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 15:22:44 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > > If you think we (DSA) are doing a bad job, please feel free to attand > > DSA BoF on DC9 and lets talk about it there. > > That implies to me that this is the only way to discuss the issue. Is > that

Re: Should we improve our (internal) communication?

2009-07-17 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 09:41:05AM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg6.html > > Thanks for the pointer, but I'm referring to > > > the upload queue, is pointed elsewhere during that time, > > not to the general reorganization of uploa

Re: Should we improve our (internal) communication?

2009-07-17 Thread Sandro Tosi
Hi Marc, On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 09:35, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > Sandro Tosi writes: >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 00:27, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >>> First there wasnt much notice (as people already said), but also second: >>> The thing most important for us DDs, which is for the day-to-day work

Re: Should we improve our (internal) communication?

2009-07-17 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Sandro Tosi writes: > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 00:27, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> First there wasnt much notice (as people already said), but also second: >> The thing most important for us DDs, which is for the day-to-day work >> the upload queue, is pointed elsewhere during that time, to allow you >>

Re: Should we improve our (internal) communication?

2009-07-17 Thread Sandro Tosi
Hi Michael, On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 01:26, Michael Banck wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 08:25:19PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: >> Should we improve how we communicate in the project? > > One thing I want to turn your attention in addition to what the others > wrote is that -devel looks like the wr

Re: Should we improve our (internal) communication?

2009-07-17 Thread Sandro Tosi
Hi Philipp, On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 00:41, Philipp Kern wrote: > Hi, > > On 2009-07-16, Sandro Tosi wrote: >> today ries (aka ftp-master) was down due to a scheduled maintenance activity. > > more or less scheduled, as already stated. > >> Now, scheduled means programmed, and suddenly this questi

Re: Should we improve our (internal) communication?

2009-07-17 Thread Sandro Tosi
Hi Joerg, On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 00:27, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 11813 March 1977, Sandro Tosi wrote: > >> Should we improve how we communicate in the project? Shouldn't there >> be more information on what's moving "behind the scenes"? It's just me >> that would like to know it? > > First there

Re: RFC: DEP-3: Patch Tagging Guidelines

2009-07-17 Thread Guido Günther
On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 07:24:20PM +0100, James Westby wrote: > Guido Günther wrote: > > Which isn't a problem on patch-queue branches since you either can > > recreate them anytime from what's in debian/patches or simply ammend the > > commit. They're supposed to be rebased frequently anyway. > >