Re: Bits from the release team: Release goals, schedule, state of the union

2009-08-25 Thread Andreas Barth
* Steffen Joeris (steffen.joe...@skolelinux.de) [090826 08:53]: > For kernel-security support, we have Dann Frazier in the security team, who > is > also working in the kernel team (and of course other kernel team members > might > help on security behind the curtain). So your basic concern is

Re: Bits from the release team: Release goals, schedule, state of the union

2009-08-25 Thread Steffen Joeris
Hi Marc On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:23:09 pm Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > Steffen Joeris writes: > > On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:51:48 am Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > >> Release Goals > >> = > > [...] > > >> - kFreeBSD: > >> Debian 6.0 Squeeze should be the first Debian release shipp

Re: RFC round 5: DEP-3: Patch Tagging Guidelines

2009-08-25 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Ben Finney wrote: > A minor point: If we're going to refer to the standard for these fields, > then RFC 2822 is obsoleted by the current draft standard, RFC 5322 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322>. Shall we do this even if it's “only” a draft standard? > > +A patch created

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 02:08:40AM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote: > But this will cause trouble anyway. Imagine this case: glib changes SONAME, > both app and library depend on glib. app is recompiled, gtk isn't yet.So > then app NEEDED libglib-2.0.so.1, gtk NEEDED libglib-2.0.so.0. Kaboom! The >

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Felipe Sateler writes: > But this will cause trouble anyway. Imagine this case: glib changes > SONAME, both app and library depend on glib. app is recompiled, gtk > isn't yet.So then app NEEDED libglib-2.0.so.1, gtk NEEDED > libglib-2.0.so.0. Kaboom! That's what symbol versioning is for, in the

Re: Bits from the release team: Release goals, schedule, state of the union

2009-08-25 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Steffen Joeris writes: > On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:51:48 am Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: >> Release Goals >> = [...] >> - kFreeBSD: >> Debian 6.0 Squeeze should be the first Debian release shipping with >> a non-Linux kernel. > Out of curiosity, how is security support working f

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Felipe Sateler
Russ Allbery wrote: > Felipe Sateler writes: > >> But: >> % objdump -p /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1600.5 | grep glib >> NEEDED libglib-2.0.so.0 > >> If gkt+ encourages using glib types, there is no problem while gtk itself >> uses glib types, as far as I can see. Or is there s

Re: RFC round 5: DEP-3: Patch Tagging Guidelines

2009-08-25 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed,26.Aug.09, 01:56:35, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > +A patch created by the the Debian maintainer John Doe, which got ^^^ Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital sig

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Felipe Sateler writes: > But: > % objdump -p /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1600.5 | grep glib > NEEDED libglib-2.0.so.0 > If gkt+ encourages using glib types, there is no problem while gtk itself > uses glib types, as far as I can see. Or is there something I'm missing? The appl

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Felipe Sateler
Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:16:46PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >> Summarizing the upstream thread, it seems the solution they prefer is >> to just ignore dependency_libs when linking dynamically. > > That should be reasonable. > >> Is there any situation where that wouldn't w

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:16:46PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > Summarizing the upstream thread, it seems the solution they prefer is > to just ignore dependency_libs when linking dynamically. That should be reasonable. > Is there any situation where that wouldn't work in Debian? pkg-config has > bo

Re: Bits from the release team: Release goals, schedule, state of the union

2009-08-25 Thread Steffen Joeris
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:51:48 am Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > Heya, > > This mail should be the first in a row of roughly monthly mails > informing the project about the state of the release. Please don't > hesitate to contact us on debian-rele...@lists.debian.org whenever > you have questions. >

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > I've just sent libtool upstream a mail referencing this thread and > also my dependency_libs_shared idea: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2009/08/msg00218.html > > Hopefully they will implement something useful so that static linking

Re: RFC round 5: DEP-3: Patch Tagging Guidelines

2009-08-25 Thread Ben Finney
Raphael Hertzog writes: > I plan to switch the DEP's status to CANDIDATE since it's about time > to start using this new format to try it out. Once I've done this, > I'll announce it on d-d-a to encourage people to start using it. Thanks for your ongoing work on this, I'm finding it useful. > -

RFC round 5: DEP-3: Patch Tagging Guidelines

2009-08-25 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, I made some last changes to the DEP following round 4. You'll find them below. I plan to switch the DEP's status to CANDIDATE since it's about time to start using this new format to try it out. Once I've done this, I'll announce it on d-d-a to encourage people to start using it. Current ve

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Aug 25 2009, Luk Claes wrote: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I would like to set up a selinux related release goal for >> Squeeze. >> >> Developer assiociated: Manoj Srivastava (Perhaps also Russell Coker, >> but I have not discussed this with

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Aug 25 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:07:43AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Hmm? Why haven't these patches been sent upstream, then? I have >> been also working at devotee-ng, which will have a plug-in >> architecture, to allow votes to add in d

Bug#543584: ITP: libtest-cukes-perl -- Perl test tool inspired by Cucumber

2009-08-25 Thread Christine Spang
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Christine Spang * Package name: libtest-cukes-perl Version : 0.08 Upstream Author : Kang-min Liu * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Cukes/ * License : MIT Programming Lang: Perl Description : Perl test tool

Re: Serious problem with geoip - databases could not be build from source

2009-08-25 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Patrick Matthäi Cc list severly trimmed. | Currently I see only three options: | 1) upstream decides to open his build system | 2) we move it to contrib with all consequences | 3) we leave it as it is It looks trivial to reverse-engineer. From just looking at it, it looks like a memory dump

Bug#543582: ITP: libtext-greeking-perl -- Perl module for generating meaningless filler text

2009-08-25 Thread Christine Spang
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Christine Spang * Package name: libtext-greeking-perl Version : 0.11 Upstream Author : Timothy Appnel * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Text-Greeking * License : Artistic Programming Lang: Perl Description : Pe

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Stefano Zacchiroli writes: > While probably boring, it doesn't seem hard to turn upgrade-checklist in > a well-structure document. ... volunteers? :-) I'm certainly happy to take patches for this and will happily maintain such a machine-parsable document going forward. -- Russ Allbery (r...@de

Where should DLL files go?

2009-08-25 Thread Sam Morris
The gcc-mingw32 package provides GCC configured to target Microsoft Windows. The executables built by GCC will pick up a dependency on libgcc_s_sjlj-1.dll; the question of where that file should be placed on a Debian system has arisen. Although on Debian, the same shared library files (libfoo.so)

Bug#543555: ITP: libnumber-recordlocator-perl -- Perl module that encodes integers into a short "locator string"

2009-08-25 Thread Christine Spang
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Christine Spang * Package name: libnumber-recordlocator-perl Version : 0.005 Upstream Author : Jesse Vincent * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Number-RecordLocator * License : Perl (Artistic | GPL-1+) Programming Lan

Bug#543550: ITP: logiweb -- a system for electronic distribution of mathematics

2009-08-25 Thread Klaus Grue
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Klaus Grue * Package name: logiweb Version : 0.2.0 Upstream Author : Klaus Grue * URL : http://logiweb.eu/doc/0.2.0/download/debian.html * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description : a system for electronic

Re: Serious problem with geoip - databases could not be build from source

2009-08-25 Thread Julien BLACHE
MJ Ray wrote: Hi, > 4) we deduce the build system by looking at the CSVs and how the > library uses the binary dat files, then junk the upstream-built > dat files. I've no idea if this is feasible, but it's another > option. 5) Add support for an all-new database format. If upstream doesn't w

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Andreas Barth
* Julien Cristau (jcris...@debian.org) [090825 21:05]: > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 20:55:04 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > > * Julien Cristau (jcris...@debian.org) [090825 12:18]: > > > You should exclude anything that isn't /usr/lib IMO. > > > > And not /lib and not /lib{32,64} and not /usr/lib{3

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Andreas Barth
* Andreas Barth (a...@not.so.argh.org) [090825 00:46]: > * Andreas Barth (a...@not.so.argh.org) [090824 22:25]: > > So I'd recommend maintainers of packages with: > > > > 1. "no flag" to remove the la-file on next occasion > > > > 2. only "dependency_libs" to remove their la-file RSN, because the

plz add me for link exchnge i nedd travel pr3 link

2009-08-25 Thread sammon adward
hello dear webmaster plz addme 4 link exchng need trave pr3 site i have also backlink of travel & any theme * seo.sam...@gmail.com* -- Thanks & regards sanjay singh

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 20:55:04 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Julien Cristau (jcris...@debian.org) [090825 12:18]: > > You should exclude anything that isn't /usr/lib IMO. > > And not /lib and not /lib{32,64} and not /usr/lib{32,64}, ... > /lib shouldn't contain any libtool file (just like it

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Andreas Barth
* Julien Cristau (jcris...@debian.org) [090825 12:18]: > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:05:44 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > * Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) [090825 10:28]: > > > Le lundi 24 août 2009 à 22:25 +0200, Andreas Barth a écrit : > > > > gnome-applets: > > > > > > This is a false pos

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-25 Thread Luk Claes
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to set up a selinux related release goal for > Squeeze. > > Developer assiociated: Manoj Srivastava (Perhaps also Russell Coker, > but I have not discussed this with him) > Issues to be solved: >(a) Get all De

Re: Serious problem with geoip - databases could not be build from source

2009-08-25 Thread Patrick Matthäi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MJ Ray schrieb: > Patrick Matthäi wrote: >> GeoIP is a quite usefull library for geolocation. >> It has got a stable ABI/API and upstream is normaly very helpfull with >> patches and issues. > [...] >> Currently I see only three options: >> 1) upstrea

Re: Serious problem with geoip - databases could not be build from source

2009-08-25 Thread MJ Ray
Patrick Matthäi wrote: > GeoIP is a quite usefull library for geolocation. > It has got a stable ABI/API and upstream is normaly very helpfull with > patches and issues. [...] > Currently I see only three options: > 1) upstream decides to open his build system > 2) we move it to contrib with all c

Bug#543541: RFH: quilt -- Tool to work with series of patches

2009-08-25 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Package: wnpp Severity: normal The quilt package needs supplementary maintainers in order to be well maintained. The main maintainer Martin Quinson has not enough time to do all the required work. Simon Horman is co-maintainer but I haven't seen him doing anything on the package (and the last ment

Serious problem with geoip - databases could not be build from source

2009-08-25 Thread Patrick Matthäi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello lists and maxmind, (please CC me in your replys, I am not subscribed to debian-legal@ and debian-devel@, thanks). First some facts: - - geoip is installed/used by many users, popcon reports something like 20% - - Some more packages are in the r

Python 2.6? A Python transition?

2009-08-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Hello folks, I have a sneaking suspicion that this is a known issue, but I haven't seen anything to debian-devel-announce and I'm not very plugged in to Python handling in Debian, so I thought I'd just explicitly ask (and suggest that if there's a known resolution someone mail it to debian-devel-a

[help] Bug#543323: /usr/bin/gtk-theme-switch2: crash, bad freelist

2009-08-25 Thread Denis Briand
tag 543323 help thanks On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:39:42AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Package: gtk-theme-switch > Version: 2.1.0-1 > Severity: normal > File: /usr/bin/gtk-theme-switch2 > > When clicking on the "preview" button of gtk-theme-switch2, I got a > crash with following trace : > > >

Re: dash pulled on stable when APT::Default-Release is used

2009-08-25 Thread Sven Mueller
Philipp Kern schrieb: > On 2009-07-29, Michael S. Gilbert wrote: >> it is a bug in the sense that stable's behavior is being unduly >> influenced by unstable's "essential packages" list. i would suggest >> submitting a report to the bts so the problem can be tracked and >> eliminated in future re

Re: What’ s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:15:41AM -0500, Romain Beauxis wrote: > What I mean is that we can use the information contained in the > standards- version tag and display at this place the list of changes > that were done since 3.7.0 The last time I stumbled upon this was for a feature request on the

Bug#543488: ITP: libbio-samtools-perl -- Read SAM/BAM database files

2009-08-25 Thread Charles Plessy
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Charles Plessy Package name: libbio-samtools-perl Version : 1.03 Upstream Author : Lincoln Stein URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Bio-SamTools/ License : Artistic version 2, or GNU GPL version 1 or later. Program

Re: piuparts-MBF: prompting due to modified conffiles which where not modified by the user

2009-08-25 Thread peter green
So, what do you suggest for this? Of course, this file _is_ a conffile (i.e. should never be automatically overwritten, so just moving it over to /var/lib is not just compiling with a different path set). If I don't automatically upgrade the file, users will end up with a confused daemon unable an

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:05:44 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) [090825 10:28]: > > Le lundi 24 août 2009 à 22:25 +0200, Andreas Barth a écrit : > > > gnome-applets: > > > > This is a false positive. xmodmap.la is about the “la” locale, it’s not > > a libtool

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mar, 2009-08-25 at 11:04 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > Looking at the package, /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libmurrine.la > looks like an la-file to me. As your package is only with > dependency_libs, you could drop that file on building the package > (depending on your installation method re

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Andreas Barth
* Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) [090825 10:28]: > Le lundi 24 août 2009 à 22:25 +0200, Andreas Barth a écrit : > > gnome-applets: > > This is a false positive. xmodmap.la is about the “la” locale, it’s not > a libtool file. Thanks. I think I'll exclude the directory /usr/share/xmodmap/ as

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Andreas Barth
* Yves-Alexis Perez (cor...@debian.org) [090825 10:31]: > On lun, 2009-08-24 at 22:25 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > 2. only "dependency_libs" to remove their la-file RSN, because they > >block removal of the la-files on another package (this flag can be > >wrongly hit if a package depends

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 02:50:32PM +0100, Matthew Johnson wrote: > Zack has been patching devotee to allow more informal (and not at all > binding) polls to be run with the same infrastructure. I think this > could be a suitable candidate to run using that. It allows us to have a > poll which can o

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:07:43AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hmm? Why haven't these patches been sent upstream, then? I have > been also working at devotee-ng, which will have a plug-in > architecture, to allow votes to add in dfferent pre-processing stacks > (mime/gpg-decrypt, v

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On lun, 2009-08-24 at 22:25 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > 2. only "dependency_libs" to remove their la-file RSN, because they >block removal of the la-files on another package (this flag can be >wrongly hit if a package depends only on itself - but well, >dropping the la-file is recomme

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 24 août 2009 à 22:25 +0200, Andreas Barth a écrit : > gnome-applets: This is a false positive. xmodmap.la is about the “la” locale, it’s not a libtool file. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “I recommend you to learn English in hope that you in `- future und

Re: Bug#533265: apt or aptitude update at the beginning of a Lenny upgrade

2009-08-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Karl O. Pinc" writes: > On 08/24/2009 02:16:10 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Nicolas François wrote: >> > I propose to only recommend updating aptitude (this will update apt >> > anyway), and add a note for the users who prefer to use apt-get >> rather >> > than aptitude. >>

Re: Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2009-08-25 Thread Kartik Mistry
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > Andreas Barth wrote: >> Updated the list and put it on http://alius.ayous.org/~aba/la-view.txt >> and updated in () the packages that depend on the current package. > > Can you also create a dd-list list? I have created it here: http