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Policy for Linux kernel, initramfs, boot loader update process

2010-07-16 Thread Ben Hutchings
Linux kernel packages for Debian have historically had complex maintainer scripts which can invoke the initramfs builder and/or a boot loader, based on a mixture of file tests, explicit configuration through the file /etc/initramfs.conf and debconf questions. Starting with Debian 6.0, this should b

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-16 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 18:13 -0400, Will wrote: > > Ah.. good to know,.. thought that could perhaps also be on > > remote-filesystems... > What about services that start before $remote_fs is provided that > place pidfiles in /var? Portmapper is an example of this. Ok... I should have said "parts of

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-16 Thread Will
6, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 20:11 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: >> /var/ is not required to be on the root file system, but >> must be available after the $local_fs point during boot. > Ah.. good to know,.. thought that could perhaps also be on >

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 16 juillet 2010 à 19:25 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer a écrit : > But I think: > 1) the policy description of essential should be clarified then > 2) Personally, I'd prefer to put some of the current /usr/bin utilities > from coreutils to /bin 3) I think you’re the only one to care.

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-16 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 20:11 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > /var/ is not required to be on the root file system, but > must be available after the $local_fs point during boot. Ah.. good to know,.. thought that could perhaps also be on remote-filesystems... > > Also, right after the init system

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-16 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 19:23 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > I would think almost all init scripts depend on /dev and /proc! Certainly > start-stop-daemon uses them. I guess Russ meant,... whether I have any examples for services/daemons,.. that need _just_ /proc or /dev,... but do not already depend

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-16 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 20:02 +0200, Julien Valroff wrote: > As long as init scripts are stored in /etc/init.d [0], I guess /etc is > considered as being always available (even as read-only), am I right? Sir! I take a bow :) *bompf* That was too obvious for me to see it *G* Cheers, Chris. sm

Bug#589342: ITP: sieve -- Extension that implements the ManageSieve protocol

2010-07-16 Thread FladischerMichael
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: fladischermich...@fladi.at -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: sieve Version : 0.1.9 Upstream Author : Thomas Schmid * URL : http://sieve.mozdev.org/ * License : AGPLv3 Programming Lang: JavaS

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-16 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Christoph Anton Mitterer] > As far as I understand - please correct me if I'm wrong - the root-fs is > just guaranteed, to have /bin/, /sbin and /lib, right? Neither /var > nor /opt. > What about /etc? The root file system need to have /etc/, yes, as well as the others. Do not have the complete l

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-16 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:44:31AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Christoph Anton Mitterer writes: [...] > > Would it be a good idea, to add new virtual facilities like $dev, $proc > > or so? > > How many init scripts need them? In other words, is there a concrete > problem that you're trying to s

Bug#589332: ITP: gudev-sharp-1.0 -- GObject-based wrapper library for libudev -- CLI bindings

2010-07-16 Thread Chow Loong Jin
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Chow Loong Jin * Package name: gudev-sharp-1.0 Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Alex Launi * URL : https://www.launchpad.net/gudev-sharp * License : LGPL-2.1+ Programming Lang: C# Description : GObject-based wrap

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-16 Thread Julien Valroff
Le vendredi 16 juillet 2010 à 19:30 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer a écrit : [...] > > As far as I understand - please correct me if I'm wrong - the root-fs is > just guaranteed, to have /bin/, /sbin and /lib, right? Neither /var > nor /opt. > What about /etc? As long as init scripts are stored

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Christoph Anton Mitterer writes: > As far as I understand - please correct me if I'm wrong - the root-fs is > just guaranteed, to have /bin/, /sbin and /lib, right? Neither /var > nor /opt. > What about /etc? I'm not sure, but I believe you can count on /etc always being available (although poss

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-16 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 16:31 -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > What problem are you trying to solve? Did you actually try to use an > init script that use printf and doesn't depend on $remote_fs, on a > system where /bin/sh is neither bash nor dash? > > Or is this just a big gedanken-experiment? Adm

Bug#589324: ITP: pidgin-twitter -- Pidgin plugin for Twitter

2010-07-16 Thread VDR dai (deb)
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "HIGUCHI Daisuke (VDR dai)" * Package name: pidgin-twitter Version : 0.9.1 Upstream Author : Yoshiki Yazawa * URL : http://www.honeyplanet.jp/pidgin-twitter/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description : Pidg

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-16 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 13:08 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > It's after $remote_fs. Please don't assume that all non-local file > systems are NFS. Yeah sorry ;) Having $remote_fs is a really nice way to secure that /usr/-stuff is there (and also other stuff like /var...) As far as I understand - ple

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-16 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 12:11 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > Also the booting system is a changing area > We moved from sysv style to inserv, Isn't that still sysv + just some auto-"ordering" and so? > IMHO requiring that at call of /bin/init (the first program > called in the new root filesy

Re: Bug#589229: vmfs-tools: possible FHS violation, as fsck.vmfs is not in /sbin

2010-07-16 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 11:18 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > So until the program actually does what it is intended to, I'm not > exactly sure it is safe to put it in /sbin. OTOH, I could rename it, but > except for nitpicking, what exactly would be the point? So then let's downgrade the severity and le

Re: aptitude (priority important) depends on libboost-iostreams (priority optional)

2010-07-16 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:29:10PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:59:56AM -0400, Will wrote: > > aptitude is the preferred package management tool, so I'm thinking > > that the priority of libboost-iostreams should be upgraded [1][2]. > > > [1] > > http://www.debia

Bug#589304: RFA: jabberd2 -- Jabber instant messenger server

2010-07-16 Thread Jorge Salamero Sanz
Package: wnpp Severity: normal X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Hi, I no longer have the time and motivation needed to maintain jabberd2 and jabber-muc packages as I'm using now ejabberd which has the features I need. I would like the XMPP team or someone else adopt these packages or

Bug#589307: RFA: jabber-muc -- Multi User Conference component for the Jabber IM server

2010-07-16 Thread Jorge Salamero Sanz
Package: wnpp Severity: normal X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Hi, I no longer have the time and motivation needed to maintain jabberd2 and jabber-muc packages as I'm using now ejabberd which has the features I need. I would like the XMPP team or someone else adopt these packages or

Re: upcoming issues with python-hulahop, python-xpcom, xulrunner-1.9.2

2010-07-16 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 08:02:41AM -0400, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 07:28:26 (EDT), Darren Salt wrote: > > > I demand that Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton may or may not have written... > > > > [snip] > >> basically, an interpretation of the decision from the mozilla foundatio

Re: upcoming issues with python-hulahop, python-xpcom, xulrunner-1.9.2

2010-07-16 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 07:28:26 (EDT), Darren Salt wrote: > I demand that Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton may or may not have written... > > [snip] >> basically, an interpretation of the decision from the mozilla foundation is >> that all languages but javascript can get lost. i do not understand w

Re: Bug#589229: vmfs-tools: possible FHS violation, as fsck.vmfs is not in /sbin

2010-07-16 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
HI! Am 16.07.2010 11:18, schrieb Mike Hommey: > So until the program actually does what it is intended to, I'm not > exactly sure it is safe to put it in /sbin. OTOH, I could rename it, but > except for nitpicking, what exactly would be the point? > > What do fellow developpers think? Leaving i

Bug#589282: ITP: pyksoko -- pyksoko - logic game with KDE sokoban skin/levels without KDE dependencies

2010-07-16 Thread Manuel Soukup
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Manuel Soukup * Package name: pyksoko Version : 0.3.3 Upstream Author : Manuel Soukup * URL : http://pyksokoban.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: Python Description : pyksoko - logic game with K

ITP: fusioninventory-for-glpi -- FusionInventory for GLPI

2010-07-16 Thread david hannequin
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2010-07-16 Severity: wishlist Package name: fusioninventory-for-glpi Version: 2.2.1 Upstream Author: David Durieux d.duri...@siprossii.com URL: http://fusioninventory.org License: GPL Description: communication server as a plugin for the GLPI asset managemen

Re: Upstream Tracker

2010-07-16 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 03:09:59PM +0400, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote: > The new service for tracking ABI changes in various C/C++ libraries is > now available for Linux distribution maintainers and upstream developers [...] > Suggestions for libraries inclusion and feature/bug requests are very > we

ITP: fusioninventory-for-glpi -- FusionInventory for GLPI

2010-07-16 Thread David Hannequin
Package name: fusioninventory-for-glpi Version: 2.2.1 Upstream Author: David Durieux d.duri...@siprossii.com URL: http://fusioninventory.org License: GPL Description: communication server as a plugin for the GLPI asset management software. Source: http://forge.fusioninventory.org/attachments/d

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-16 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
On 15.07.2010 21:34, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 20:15 +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: No, and there doesn't need to be. Now can you stop beating this dead horse? It would like to rot in hell unharmed. Wow,... supposing that you speak for Debian,... this reaction is rea

Re: aptitude (priority important) depends on libboost-iostreams (priority optional)

2010-07-16 Thread Frans Pop
Steve Langasek wrote: > This manual represents the opinion of a single developer. And what does that have to do with the price of bananas in Iceland? The fact that aptitude is currently the recommended tool for package management has various reasons: user interface, features, dependency handlin

Re: upcoming issues with python-hulahop, python-xpcom, xulrunner-1.9.2

2010-07-16 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:28:26PM +0100, Darren Salt wrote: > I demand that Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton may or may not have written... > > [snip] > > basically, an interpretation of the decision from the mozilla foundation is > > that all languages but javascript can get lost. i do not understa

Re: Bug#589229: vmfs-tools: possible FHS violation, as fsck.vmfs is not in /sbin

2010-07-16 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:42:07PM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > Package: vmfs-tools > Severity: serious > Justification: Policy 9.1.1 > > > Hi. > > I might have spotted a policy violation here (therefore the sevirity serious). > > Policy section 9.1.1. specifies: > "The location of