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On 07/18/2010 02:35 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 17:03 +, Philipp Kern wrote:
>> On 2010-07-17, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>>> The postinst for nvidia-kernel-dkms invokes dkms, which invokes
>>> lsb_release. lsb_release hasn't been configured at this point so its
>>> module has
The number of submissions to the Debian popularity-contest collector
is falling, and has done so for some time now. This can be easily
seen on http://popcon.debian.org/stat/sub-i386.png >.
This is mostly caused by a fall in the number of Lenny installations,
as can be seen from
http://popcon.debi
Hi, Petter:
On Tuesday 20 July 2010 14:41:49 Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> The number of submissions to the Debian popularity-contest collector
> is falling, and has done so for some time now. This can be easily
> seen on http://popcon.debian.org/stat/sub-i386.png >.
>
> This is mostly caused by a
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 14:36:04 (CEST), Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> On 07/18/2010 02:35 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>> On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 17:03 +, Philipp Kern wrote:
>>> On 2010-07-17, Ben Hutchings wrote:
The postinst for nvidia-kernel-dkms invokes dkms, which invokes
lsb_release. ls
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 02:41:49PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> Anyone got any idea how to can get more machines to report to
> popcon.debian.org? Or can there be some other problem causing the
> fall in the number of submissions?
Everyone I have spoken with regarding this who does not rep
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 02:41:49PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
Anyone got any idea how to can get more machines to report to
popcon.debian.org? Or can there be some other problem causing the
fall in the number of submissions?
I mount filesystem with "noatime" (at home and on my servers
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On 20/07/2010 16:56, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> I mount filesystem with "noatime" (at home and on my servers),
> and AFAIK popcon don't work with such configuration, so I don't
> install it.
It can at least report the installed packages, I guess?
Cheers,
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[Jesús M. Navarro]
> I for one don't allow for popcon on production machines under my
> control.
Sad to hear that your machines are not able to influence the parts of
Debian which uses the popcon.debian.org numbers to improve Debian
(like the CD/DVD builds :).
> I'm not going into details about
[Giacomo A. Catenazzi]
> I mount filesystem with "noatime" (at home and on my servers), and
> AFAIK popcon don't work with such configuration, so I don't install
> it.
There is no need to avoid popularity-contest just because you are
mounting file systems with noatime. The set of installated pack
On 20/07/2010 14:41, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
The number of submissions to the Debian popularity-contest collector
is falling, and has done so for some time now. This can be easily
seen onhttp://popcon.debian.org/stat/sub-i386.png>.
This is mostly caused by a fall in the number of Lenny insta
* Yves-Alexis Perez [100720 17:41]:
> On 20/07/2010 16:56, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> > I mount filesystem with "noatime" (at home and on my servers),
> > and AFAIK popcon don't work with such configuration, so I don't
> > install it.
>
> It can at least report the installed packages, I guess?
Bernd Zeimetz writes:
> Lets remove all triggers from dpkg then.
For things that have to run to make the package usable, yes.
> Updating the Python modules for every new module package is a big waste
> of time, running it as a trigger results into the described problem in a
> few rare cases. Wh
+++ Aníbal Monsalve Salazar [2010-07-19 14:19 +1000]:
> [Resending as I've had problems posting this message]
>
> As part of the 11th Debian Conference in New York City, USA, there will
> be OpenPGP (pgp/gpg) keysignings. If you intend to participate in the
> DebConf10 keysignings, please send you
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: dkms needs a pre-depends entry (Policy 3.5)"):
> Bernd Zeimetz writes:
> > Lets remove all triggers from dpkg then.
>
> For things that have to run to make the package usable, yes.
No.
> I prefer packages to work after they've been configured. Otherwise,
> Depends doe
Ian Jackson writes:
> Packages which are awaiting trigger processing are not "configured"[1]
> and do not satisfy dependencies. Triggers-supporting tools (which
> includes those in lenny) always try to process triggers just as hard as
> they try to do other configuration steps.
The problem here
On 2010-07-20, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> On 07/18/2010 02:35 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>> On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 17:03 +, Philipp Kern wrote:
>>> On 2010-07-17, Ben Hutchings wrote:
The postinst for nvidia-kernel-dkms invokes dkms, which invokes
lsb_release. lsb_release hasn't been conf
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On 07/20/2010 09:08 PM, Philipp Kern wrote:
> Well, that lsb_release is written in Python is just an implementation
> detail, no? So it just should not be the responsibility of the caller.
It should as you can't assume that your dependencies are configured when your
own package is being configure
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 21:44:21 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> On 07/20/2010 09:08 PM, Philipp Kern wrote:
> > Well, that lsb_release is written in Python is just an implementation
> > detail, no? So it just should not be the responsibility of the caller.
>
> It should as you can't assume that y
Bernd Zeimetz writes:
> It should as you can't assume that your dependencies are configured when
> your own package is being configured (Debian Policy 3.5).
That's not correct. You can assume that your dependencies are configured
before you're configured unless there are circular dependencies i
On 07/20/2010 09:50 PM, Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 21:44:21 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>
>> On 07/20/2010 09:08 PM, Philipp Kern wrote:
>>> Well, that lsb_release is written in Python is just an implementation
>>> detail, no? So it just should not be the responsibility of th
Bernd Zeimetz writes:
> Sometimes, a package requires another package to be installed and
> configured before it can be installed. In this case, you must specify a
> Pre-Depends entry for the package.
"Installed" here means "unpacked," not configured. There's a pending
Policy bug to clarify tha
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> On 07/20/2010 09:50 PM, Julien Cristau wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 21:44:21 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/20/2010 09:08 PM, Philipp Kern wrote:
Well, that lsb_release is written in Python is just an implementation
d
On 07/20/2010 10:04 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Bernd Zeimetz writes:
>
>> Sometimes, a package requires another package to be installed and
>> configured before it can be installed. In this case, you must specify a
>> Pre-Depends entry for the package.
>
> "Installed" here means "unpacked," not c
Bernd Zeimetz writes:
> On 07/20/2010 10:04 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> "Installed" here means "unpacked," not configured. There's a pending
>> Policy bug to clarify that.
> Thanks for the clarification, I fall about that one once a year.
It's very confusing right now. See the patch I sent thi
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 22:01:51 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> On 07/20/2010 09:50 PM, Julien Cristau wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 21:44:21 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> >
> >> On 07/20/2010 09:08 PM, Philipp Kern wrote:
> >>> Well, that lsb_release is written in Python is just an implement
Hi,
On Dienstag, 20. Juli 2010, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> I think there should be a popcon mode where it only reports the
> installed packages.
and it should be the default.
cheers,
Holger
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Am 20.07.2010 23:18, schrieb Holger Levsen:
Hi,
On Dienstag, 20. Juli 2010, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
I think there should be a popcon mode where it only reports the
installed packages.
and it should be the default.
Maybe the default value at d-i for popcon should be set to true (report
popc
Hi,
stats are based on the "HOSTID" contain in /etc/popularity-contest.conf ?
Some year ago all my virtual hosts have the same HOSTID because of the
way I was using to install them (rsync...).
Now my scripts take care of that, but maybe stats are erroneous on
server environment because of that
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:26:13PM +0200, Patrick Matthäi wrote:
> Maybe the default value at d-i for popcon should be set to true
> (report popcon statistics).
> atm it is false.
Absolutely not. An installed Debian machine should be silent by
default.
> Yes I know, that many people (I am includ
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:02:48PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> The problem here is that the package that's being triggered isn't either
> of the packages that are involved, I believe. The package being triggered
> is python-support, which is a dependency of lsb-release, but the package
> failing
Steve Langasek writes:
> As Ian has described it, yes: lsb-release is not "installed" until
> after the python-support trigger is run, so dpkg will run that trigger
> before trying to move up the stack and configure dkms. And since dkms
> is not yet configured, nvidia-kernel-dkms won't be confi
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
Anyone got any idea how to can get more machines to report to
popcon.debian.org? Or can there be some other problem causing the fall
in the number of submissions?
One thing Fedora does for their stats tools in the install is that if you
say "N
Quoting Patrick Matthäi (pmatth...@debian.org):
> Maybe the default value at d-i for popcon should be set to true
> (report popcon statistics).
> atm it is false.
To people who would be tempted to followup on this and yell and "Thou
Shalt Not Do This" with arguments about ${privacy}, I suggest
th
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Quoting Petter Reinholdtsen (p...@hungry.com):
> The number of submissions to the Debian popularity-contest collector
> is falling, and has done so for some time now. This can be easily
> seen on http://popcon.debian.org/stat/sub-i386.png >.
Well, would that be a tremendous scoop that the number
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