[Steve McIntyre]
> The major win with dd onto a raw device is that you can specify the
> block size. For most USB sticks, using a block size of 4MB or so is
> going to be *much* faster than using the default for dd (512 bytes)
> or cp (10 KB IIRC).
That seemed a little fishy to me, since none of
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:40:55PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>
>[Steve McIntyre]
>> (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
>
>While it is refreshing to see "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" instead of
>the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
>that y
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 May 2012, Gergely Nagy wrote:
>> > Apart from the fact that requirements will be different on
>> > different systems. Putting functionality for all possible corner
>> > cases into the daemon is not sensible for any upstream.
[Samuel Thibault]
> > I think "cp" is even more straightforward.
>
> Does cp accept that way since a long time?
I'm not sure, but I've been using things like "cp boot.img /dev/fd0"
for probably 10 or 15 years on various Linux and Unix systems. (The
fact that I referred to a floppy drive may giv
On Wednesday 09 May 2012, Gergely Nagy wrote:
> > Apart from the fact that requirements will be different on
> > different systems. Putting functionality for all possible corner
> > cases into the daemon is not sensible for any upstream.
>
> That is what configuration files and similar things are
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Pierre Jaury
* Package name: vodstok
Version : 1.2.3
Upstream Author : Damien Cauquil
* URL : http://virtualabs.fr/vodstok/
* License : BSD
Programming Lang: PHP
Description : Voluntary Distributed Storage Kit
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 10:18:25 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 05:56:54PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
> > only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
> > package, which nearly no
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 17:31:47 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 14 mai 2012 à 17:56 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> > Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
> > only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
> > package, which nearly
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 02:45:47PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> On 05/15/2012 02:18 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential of
> > cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX
> > for X = valuable hard disk.
>
> I've wondered about that, too, when working on the relevant sect
Ben Armstrong writes:
> accomplish as the superuser.) What I wonder, though, is if it is
> universally true that ordinary users will always have write access to a
> USB key they've just inserted. Under what circumstances will they not?
At least in default debian and ubuntu systems they don't have
Peter Samuelson, le Tue 15 May 2012 12:40:55 -0500, a écrit :
> > (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
>
> While it is refreshing to see "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" instead of
> the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
> that you need to use dd
On 05/15/2012 02:18 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential of
> cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX
> for X = valuable hard disk.
I've wondered about that, too, when working on the relevant section of
the Debian Live Manual.
> Maybe one should advise people to first r
[Steve McIntyre]
> (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
While it is refreshing to see "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" instead of
the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
that you need to use dd any time you're reading or writing block
devices), I t
Hi,
Steve McIntyre wrote:
> (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en) but
> skipped straight past section 4.3.1. Looks like we could do with a big
> clear message "DO THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS" to make it more
> obvious. :-)
I am a bit scared by the catastrophic poten
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 05:26:32PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le dimanche 13 mai 2012 à 20:00 +0200, Gergely Nagy a écrit :
> > > There is a huge difference between gconf, for which you can set one
> > > specific setting in /etc, overriding the default in /usr (and in a way
> > > that will n
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 05:26:32PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le dimanche 13 mai 2012 à 20:00 +0200, Gergely Nagy a écrit :
Not entirely true. You can override parts of the file too, without
copying: include the original. This doesn't let you override everything,
but for a lot of things, is
Hi,
> Fedora/RH folks recently added more
> hacks to isohybrid to support booting on Macs:
> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html
This is achieved by applying ISOLINUX program isohybrid from a recent
ISOLINYX version to the already produced ISO images. syslinux-4.05
should probably do.
It is a
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 06:13:24PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
>On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:34:20 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>
>> > And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
>> > have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
>> > put on. It's no wonder n
On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:34:20 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> > And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
> > have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
> > put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
> I thought HD-media was a t
Le dimanche 13 mai 2012 à 20:00 +0200, Gergely Nagy a écrit :
> > There is a huge difference between gconf, for which you can set one
> > specific setting in /etc, overriding the default in /usr (and in a way
> > that will not break the application if the schemas change), and
> > systemd/udev, whi
Le lundi 14 mai 2012 à 17:56 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
> only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
> package, which nearly no one does. So in practice it's always there,
> although it might n
Hi, sorry for my late response
At Fri, 11 May 2012 18:50:22 +0200,
Julien Cristau wrote:
>
> [1 ]
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 01:12:37 +0900, Youhei SASAKI wrote:
>
> > Package: wnpp
> > Owner: Youhei SASAKI
> > Severity: wishlist
> >
> > * Package name: ruby-posix-spawn
>
> Do you really
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Wookey wrote:
> And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
> have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
> put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
I thought HD-media was a thing of the
Wookey writes:
> And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
> have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
> put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
You also need to have root access to some machine to create the USB
me
]] Vincent Zweije
> No, this is about packing. Doing packing with dpkg-deb invoking bsdtar
> would either make bsdtar essential, or require that dpkg-deb switch to
> use whatever tar is available.
Why would it require more than dpkg-dev depending on bsdtar? We have
precedence for packages being
+++ Steve McIntyre [2012-05-15 13:38 +0100]:
> [ re-adding CC to debian-cd and debian-boot ]
>
> 2. USB-targeted images
>
> I've also tweaked DVD#1 of each set to fit in 4GB instead of the
> normal 4.7GB, so that it fits on a 4GB USB stick to make it more
> useful. We could quite readily produce
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:06:54PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
|| Guillem Jover writes ("Re: on the use of chmod/chown in maintainer
scripts"):
|| > On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 22:47:22 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
|| > > I can't see an equivalent in GNU tar. But BSD tar is available
|| > > in Debian.
[ re-adding CC to debian-cd and debian-boot ]
Adam Borowski wrote:
>On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:04:16PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
>> to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
>
Guillem Jover writes ("Re: on the use of chmod/chown in maintainer scripts"):
> On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 22:47:22 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
> > I can't see an equivalent in GNU tar. But BSD tar is available
> > in Debian.
>
> This would imply BSD tar needs to be promoted to the Essential set
> along
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:56 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Charles Plessy writes:
>> Le Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:54:53AM +0200, David Kalnischkies a écrit :
>
>>> And the fields defining a difference in versions are:
>>> Installed-Size, Depends, Pre-Depends, Conflicts, Breaks and Replaces.
>>> Differe
Le Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:57:15AM +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit :
>
> And besides, why are we talking about Installed-Size in the first place?
Because I asked a question off-topic in that thread without breaking it.
Apologies for this confusion.
--
Charles Plessy
Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:18:25AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 05:56:54PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
> > only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
> > package, which nearl
Hi,
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:34:39AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> So to use the image you need either a DVD or a USB stick, and if you're
> using a write-once DVD you're perhaps wasting the unused space; but the
> download time and install footprint are still kept low and in the range of
> wh
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:34:39AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> So to use the image you need either a DVD or a USB stick, and if you're using
> a write-once DVD you're perhaps wasting the unused space; but the download
> time and install footprint are still kept low and in the range of what a CD
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 05:56:54PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
> only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
> package, which nearly no one does. So in practice it's always there,
> although it might
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 03:17:17PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> No, I hereby start saying good by to 3.0
I'm hoping we can revisit 3.0 (git) post-squeeze, myself. But I have also
found myself to be incompatible iwth 3.0 (quilt) and used 1.0 for my last
few packages.
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* Norbert Preining [120515 01:10]:
> For these kind of things the expected behaviour is that quilt and
> dpkg-source behave the same way, and if not, dpkg-source should
> warn or whatever.
I think the patched debian source format should not depend on what
quilt does but be sensible within itself.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 03:59:31PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> See my other answer. This is conceptually wrong, because you might
> end up with a *wrong* patch and the old one is destroyed due to the
> refresh (patch just messed it up .. and I didn't realize it, uuups).
Why don't you use a VCS
Norbert Preining writes:
> On Mo, 14 Mai 2012, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> If you don't care about checking the patches, it takes fifteen minutes
>> one time to write a shell script and then less than ten seconds to run
>> it before you do an upload.
> See my other answer. This is conceptually wrong,
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