Re: why do people introduce stup^Wstrange changes to quilt 3.0 format

2012-05-20 Thread Russ Allbery
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On May 18, Russ Allbery wrote: >> I do this work in cases where keeping the patches separate is useful for >> some reason, but mostly it's not. > Some of my packages have 30-60 patches ("mature" software...), and > merging them would make them impossibile

Re: removal of Qt3

2012-05-20 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 21 May 2012 13:03:04 +0800 Paul Wise wrote: > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Ana Guerrero wrote: > > > In the last days, I have taken a look into how much needed to be done to > > remove Qt3 and there were slightly more than 50 packages depending directly > > or indirectly from Qt3. A

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 21/05/2012 08:45, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:30:11AM +0100, Ben Hutchings a écrit : >> On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 14:02 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: >>> >>> I'd love to see that happen someday, but at the moment, new x86 systems >>> still get sold that don't support 64-bit. No

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 01:11:21PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Wookey wrote: >>On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:30:11AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: >>> >>>(Should we consider gathering selected hardware specs in popcon?) >> >>Yes please. This would really help arm people too

Moving the target of localization pokes (and eventually NMUs)...

2012-05-20 Thread Christian PERRIER
With the final steps of the release of Wheezy approaching, I will, from now on, move the focus of my l10n attention to packages that are blocking some of the localization goals. One of them is 100% completeness for debconf translations in wheezy for seven languages: Czech, Swedish, Spanish, Portug

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Miles Bader wrote: > Paul Wise writes: >> There is smolt for that, but folks haven't packaged it for Debian yet: >> >> https://fedorahosted.org/smolt/ >> http://bugs.debian.org/435058 > > Hmm... from "http://smolts.org/static/stats/stats.html": > >   The statistics

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Miles Bader
Paul Wise writes: > There is smolt for that, but folks haven't packaged it for Debian yet: > > https://fedorahosted.org/smolt/ > http://bugs.debian.org/435058 Hmm... from "http://smolts.org/static/stats/stats.html": The statistics script is no longer running and creating new data. We're in

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Wookey wrote: > +++ Ben Hutchings [2012-05-21 00:30 +0100]: >> >> (Should we consider gathering selected hardware specs in popcon?) > > Yes please. This would really help arm people too. We currently have > to guess how many people we are cutting off when minimum su

Re: removal of Qt3

2012-05-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Ana Guerrero wrote: > In the last days, I have taken a look into how much needed to be done to > remove Qt3 and there were slightly more than 50 packages depending directly > or indirectly from Qt3. A removal from Wheezy seemed doable > given that removing package

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 20 May 2012, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ben Hutchings writes: > > If by 'plain x86' you mean PCs with 32-bit processors, we would no > > longer support them - *eventually*. > > Excactly like how we no longer support pure i386 systems (as opposed to > i486 or later). And with the same sort of

gitpkg with a quilt export hook

2012-05-20 Thread Brian May
On 16 May 2012 19:45, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > You could use gitpkg with a quilt export hook. i use it regularly with > imagemagick and it work perfectly (it is gitpkg over git over svn). Out of curiosity, how do you use that and not have it include changes to debian/* ? That appeared to me my

Re: 'php5-suhosin' is missing for wheezy

2012-05-20 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 19:26 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > And in addition to that, the Suhosin patch and module are available > for php 5.4 since only few days/weeks, so it's not surprising that > it's not in testing. The earlier we see them in Debian the better, even if the current suhosin versio

Re: why do people introduce stup^Wstrange changes to quilt 3.0 format

2012-05-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 18, Russ Allbery wrote: > I do this work in cases where keeping the patches separate is useful for > some reason, but mostly it's not. Some of my packages have 30-60 patches ("mature" software...), and merging them would make them impossibile to understand. Is there a VCS workflow which w

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:30:11AM +0100, Ben Hutchings a écrit : > On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 14:02 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > > > > I'd love to see that happen someday, but at the moment, new x86 systems > > still get sold that don't support 64-bit. Notably, many low-power Atom > > processors sti

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Wookey
+++ Ben Hutchings [2012-05-21 00:30 +0100]: > > (Should we consider gathering selected hardware specs in popcon?) Yes please. This would really help arm people too. We currently have to guess how many people we are cutting off when minimum support is moved forward. Wookey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 05:39:06PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > > > > No, keep i386 userland only. Though we might consider reducing even > > > > > that to a 'partial architecture' that has only libraries (similar to > > > > > ia32-libs today, only cleaner). > > > > Don't you believe in x32? >

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 14:02 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > Ben Hutchings wrote: > >On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 11:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> Ben Hutchings writes: > >>> Eventually (wheezy+2? +3?) we would stop building a kernel package > >>> for i386. > >> > >> As in drop the i386 arch?

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Josh Triplett
Ben Hutchings wrote: >On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 11:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Ben Hutchings writes: >>> Eventually (wheezy+2? +3?) we would stop building a kernel package >>> for i386. >> >> As in drop the i386 arch? > > No, keep i386 userland only. Though we might consider reducing e

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
Marco wrote: >On May 20, Ben Hutchings wrote: > >> No, keep i386 userland only. Though we might consider reducing even >> that to a 'partial architecture' that has only libraries (similar to >> ia32-libs today, only cleaner). >Don't you believe in x32? Puke. Please, no. If it had happened back w

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Hutchings writes: > If by 'plain x86' you mean PCs with 32-bit processors, we would no > longer support them - *eventually*. Excactly like how we no longer support pure i386 systems (as opposed to i486 or later). And with the same sort of criteria, I suspect. Note that Ben is talking about

removal of Qt3

2012-05-20 Thread Ana Guerrero
Hi, A couple of weeks ago was the first anniversary of orphaning Qt3 in Debian http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/05/msg00236.html The orphaning bug is #625502 In this year, Qt3 has got a few QA uploads with the most relevant change being support to multiarch. And, more importantly, nobod

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 18:24 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 02:00:21PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 11:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > Ben Hutchings writes: > > > > > > > Most new PCs have an Intel or AMD 64-bit processor, and > > > > popco

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 06:24:23PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > > Eventually (wheezy+2? +3?) we would stop building a kernel package for > > > > i386. > > > > > > As in drop the i386 arch? > > > > No, keep i386 userland only. Though we might consider reducing even > > that to a 'partial archi

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 02:00:21PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 11:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Ben Hutchings writes: > > > > > Most new PCs have an Intel or AMD 64-bit processor, and > > > popcon.debian.org shows amd64 numbers almost matching i386. > > > > > >

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Andreas Barth
* Marco d'Itri (m...@linux.it) [120520 17:31]: > On May 20, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > > > No, keep i386 userland only. Though we might consider reducing even > > > > that to a 'partial architecture' that has only libraries (similar to > > > > ia32-libs today, only cleaner). > > > Don't you beli

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 20, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > No, keep i386 userland only. Though we might consider reducing even > > > that to a 'partial architecture' that has only libraries (similar to > > > ia32-libs today, only cleaner). > > Don't you believe in x32? > What do you mean, 'believe'? I'm aware it ma

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 16:41 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On May 20, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > No, keep i386 userland only. Though we might consider reducing even > > that to a 'partial architecture' that has only libraries (similar to > > ia32-libs today, only cleaner). > Don't you believe in x

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 20, Ben Hutchings wrote: > No, keep i386 userland only. Though we might consider reducing even > that to a 'partial architecture' that has only libraries (similar to > ia32-libs today, only cleaner). Don't you believe in x32? -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 11:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Ben Hutchings writes: > > > Most new PCs have an Intel or AMD 64-bit processor, and > > popcon.debian.org shows amd64 numbers almost matching i386. > > > > For some time we have also provided the amd64 kernel for i386, identical > >

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2012-05-20 11:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> Slightly OT but I wanted to mention it for its similarity: >> >> One thing that should be tested and then documented prominently as yay >> or nay in the wheezy upgrade notes is wether

Re: Bug#481129: Bug#671503: general: APT repository format is not documented

2012-05-20 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > = Flat Repository Format = > > A flat repository does not use the {{{dists}}} hierarchy of directories, > and instead places meta index and indices directly into the archive root > (or some part below it) In sources.list syntax, a flat

Re: 'php5-suhosin' is missing for wheezy

2012-05-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/20/2012 01:29 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > Hi... > > > On Sat, 2012-05-19 at 15:10 +0200, Alain SAURAT wrote: > >> This package is only avaible for squeeze and sid, is it normal ? >> > In addition to what Cyril already mentioned, see also > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugr

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-20 11:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Slightly OT but I wanted to mention it for its similarity: > > One thing that should be tested and then documented prominently as yay > or nay in the wheezy upgrade notes is wether one can cross-grade from > i386 to amd64 using multiarch. We

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/20/2012 10:16 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > Does anyone see a problem with the above, in particular points 1 and 2? > I agree with all you said (you know better than I), but what I would really love to see would be the installer warning people when they try to install the i386 version on a 64

Bug#673634: ITP: libjs-slidy -- slide shows in HTML and XHTML

2012-05-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jonas Smedegaard * Package name: libjs-slidy Version : 0~20120214 Upstream Author : Dave Raggett * URL : http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/Slidy2 * License : W3C-Software-20021231 Programming Lang: JavaScript Description

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ben Hutchings writes: > Most new PCs have an Intel or AMD 64-bit processor, and > popcon.debian.org shows amd64 numbers almost matching i386. > > For some time we have also provided the amd64 kernel for i386, identical > in all but the package metadata. This has not always been perfectly > compa

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 20 May 2012 06:11:16 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: >On May 20, Ben Hutchings wrote: >> Then in wheezy+1: >> 3. amd64 kernel flavour for i386 dropped. >Why can't we use the multiarch package in wheezy? Because changes of this magnitude less than a month before the first target

Bug#673614: ITP: python-pyramid-tm -- Transaction management for the Pyramid web framework

2012-05-20 Thread Free Ekanayaka
Package: wnpp Owner: Free Ekanayaka Severity: wishlist * Package name: python-pyramid-tm Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : Rocky Burt, Chris McDonough * URL or Web page : http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyramid_tm * License : BSD-derived (http://www.repoze.org/LICENSE.txt) Des