On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 07:33:59PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
OK, I misunderstood the problem. I thought the difficulty was to fire
the screensaver on the behalf of the active user. Isn't the information
about running a power management software available through DBus?
Hmm, that's actually a
Le 01/07/2012 00:44, Vincent Danjean a écrit :
[Intel OpenCL SDK]: no public Debian packages (software not redistributable)
* ICD Loader (support OpenCL 1.2): can be installed in Multi-Arch paths
install libOpenCL.so
shared library
soname libOpenCL.so
symbols not
Félix Arreola Rodríguez fgatuno@gmail.com writes:
But, ignoring the a desktop works fine without n-m thing, n-m makes
more, much more easy connecting to wifi networks, espeacially for
laptops. I suggest make Laptop task depend on n-m, in this way, n-m
don't get installed on desktop
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 11:13:16PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
and also, as Philipp Kern noticed before, things that use N-M to
distinguish between online and offline modes will think they're offline
after uninstalling N-M until they are restarted.
You get this even with n-m installed, if n-m
Le lundi 2 juillet 2012 18:42:13, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
Hey folks,
As you might have seen from recent discussions about the Fedora and
Ubuntu strategies for how to deal with EFI and Secure Boot, there are
potentially major issues in the area. In Debian we don't (yet) have a
plan, so it's
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Philip Ashmore cont...@philipashmore.com
* Package name: v3c-storyboard
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* License :
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, Thomas Preud'homme robo...@celest.fr wrote:
When the flaws was exploited, then the attacker had sufficient access to
change e.g. EFI and could thus have done whatever nasty things he wanted
on the system. And as long as the system is not rebooted, nothing can
prevent it to
Le mardi 10 juillet 2012 13:08:57, Russell Coker a écrit :
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, Thomas Preud'homme robo...@celest.fr wrote:
When the flaws was exploited, then the attacker had sufficient access to
change e.g. EFI and could thus have done whatever nasty things he wanted
on the system. And as
Le mardi 10 juillet 2012 à 17:38 +0900, Miles Bader a écrit :
What's wrong with Recommends: in that case? It seems to perfectly
match the makes life easier for common but not universal use-case
XXX scenario you describe.
Recommends is wrong for metapackages because it gets upgrades very
[ dropping 542095@ ]
Hi,
On 2012-07-10 15:32, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 10 juillet 2012 à 17:38 +0900, Miles Bader a écrit :
What's wrong with Recommends: in that case? It seems to perfectly
match the makes life easier for common but not universal use-case
XXX scenario you
Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org writes:
On 2012-07-10 15:32, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 10 juillet 2012 à 17:38 +0900, Miles Bader a écrit :
What's wrong with Recommends: in that case? It seems to perfectly
match the makes life easier for common but not universal use-case
On 2012-07-10 16:18, Gergely Nagy wrote:
But the purpose of the meta-package is to pull stuff in. Depends does
that, Recommends does not, therefore Recommends is not appropriate for
the task.
Surely Recommends does pull stuff in. It's clearly reflected in Debian
policy and supported by most if
On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 09:47 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 11:13:16PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
and also, as Philipp Kern noticed before, things that use N-M to
distinguish between online and offline modes will think they're offline
after uninstalling N-M until they
Package: librg-exception-perl
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Ariane C. Bohm boe...@in.tum.de
* Package name: librg-exception-perl
Version : 1.0.1
Upstream Author : Laszlo Kajan lka...@rostlab.org
* URL : http://www.rostlab.org/
* License : GPL
Programming Lang:
On 12-07-10 at 06:14pm, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
On 2012-07-10 16:18, Gergely Nagy wrote:
But the purpose of the meta-package is to pull stuff in. Depends
does that, Recommends does not, therefore Recommends is not
appropriate for the task.
Surely Recommends does pull stuff in. It's
On 2012-07-10 18:10, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
The very purpose of a meta-package is to _ensure_ that a certain set of
packages is installed, not just recommend them: All (not only most)
users of that package need all its dependencies satisfied
My definition of meta-package is less strict than
On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 18:10 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On 12-07-10 at 06:14pm, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
On 2012-07-10 16:18, Gergely Nagy wrote:
But the purpose of the meta-package is to pull stuff in. Depends
does that, Recommends does not, therefore Recommends is not
Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org writes:
On 2012-07-10 16:18, Gergely Nagy wrote:
But the purpose of the meta-package is to pull stuff in. Depends does
that, Recommends does not, therefore Recommends is not appropriate for
the task.
Surely Recommends does pull stuff in.
No. Only if
On 2012-07-10, Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu wrote:
No. Only if installing recommends is turned on, which cannot be
guaranteed.
There is many ways to break your system. turning off installation of
recommends is one of them.
That said, recommends is not to be used for metapackages. with
Hello everybody,
perhaps people interested in discussing metapackages and Recommends can have a
look to the rejected DEP 6 and the associated thread.
http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep6/
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/12/msg00550.html
Have a nice day,
--
Charles Plessy
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 04:39:10PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2012-07-10, Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu wrote:
No. Only if installing recommends is turned on, which cannot be
guaranteed.
There is many ways to break your system. turning off installation of
recommends is one of them.
Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org writes:
On 2012-07-10 18:10, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
The very purpose of a meta-package is to _ensure_ that a certain set of
packages is installed, not just recommend them: All (not only most)
users of that package need all its dependencies satisfied
The meta-gen.sh has been blocked,
and Quarantine entire message has been taken on 7/10/2012 7:36:18 PM.
Message details:
Server: HEMATIT
Sender: alger...@balabit.hu;
Recipient: debian-devel@lists.debian.org;
Subject: Re: Recommends for metapackages
Attachment name: meta-gen.sh
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To
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
On 2012-07-10, Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu wrote:
No. Only if installing recommends is turned on, which cannot be
guaranteed.
There is many ways to break your system. turning off installation of
recommends is one of them.
During the past ~14
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 03:32:43PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 10 juillet 2012 à 17:38 +0900, Miles Bader a écrit :
What's wrong with Recommends: in that case? It seems to perfectly
match the makes life easier for common but not universal use-case
XXX scenario you describe.
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: mer...@in.tum.de
* Package name: norsnet
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On 12-07-10 at 06:34pm, Abou Al Montacir wrote:
On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 18:10 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
The very purpose of a meta-package is to _ensure_ that a certain set
of packages is installed, not just recommend them: All (not only
most) users of that package need all its
Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu writes:
But, to cut the story short, attached to this mail is a script you can
use to take any metapackage, and remove (or demote) any of its
dependencies. It echoes a control-file thingy, combining it with equivs
is left as an excercise to the reader.
If I'm
Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu writes:
For the cases where one wants to have most of the stuff installed that
the meta-package would pull in, but not all, solutions already exist.
What solutions do you mean?
Best,
-Nikolaus
--
»Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.«
On 12-07-10 at 07:35pm, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
On 2012-07-10 18:10, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
The very purpose of a meta-package is to _ensure_ that a certain set
of packages is installed, not just recommend them: All (not only
most) users of that package need all its dependencies
On 2012-07-10 20:15, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On 12-07-10 at 07:35pm, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
On 2012-07-10 18:10, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
The very purpose of a meta-package is to _ensure_ that a certain set
of packages is installed, not just recommend them: All (not only
most)
On Ma, 10 iul 12, 18:43:03, Gergely Nagy wrote:
During the past ~14 years I've been using Debian with that setting
turned off, nothing ever broke on my systems because of this setting. If
it does, then I'll consider that a bug and report it appropriately.
Depending on how you do the package
Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org writes:
[...]
Recommends
This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency.
The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together
with this one in all but unusual installations.
...packages that would be found together with
Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org writes:
[...]
Well, in case of GNOME, upstream considers n-m to be part of the core
system, to the best of my knowledge. If upstream does so, so should we.
No. That's why we have our own distribution instead of just a collection of
unpatched packages
On Ma, 10 iul 12, 22:07:10, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
... And I disagree with that. No solution can override policy's all
Depends must be satisfied. If one choose to support the exclude from
metapackage one either has to change the policy, remove packages from
Depends or use non-stock
On 2012-07-10 22:21, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Ma, 10 iul 12, 22:07:10, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
... And I disagree with that. No solution can override policy's all
Depends must be satisfied. If one choose to support the exclude from
metapackage one either has to change the policy,
Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes:
Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu writes:
But, to cut the story short, attached to this mail is a script you can
use to take any metapackage, and remove (or demote) any of its
dependencies. It echoes a control-file thingy, combining it with equivs
is
Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes:
Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu writes:
For the cases where one wants to have most of the stuff installed that
the meta-package would pull in, but not all, solutions already exist.
What solutions do you mean?
Installing the pieces one wants by hand,
Dnia 2012-07-01, nie o godzinie 00:44 +0200, Vincent Danjean pisze:
[ cut ]
* at least, here is a summary of problems/warning for different combinaison of
ICD *Loaders* used at compile-time (CT) and at run-time (RT)
(problems with ICD compatibility themselves are not taken into account
On 12-07-10 at 08:16pm, Noel David Torres Taño wrote:
Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org writes:
[...]
Well, in case of GNOME, upstream considers n-m to be part of the
core system, to the best of my knowledge. If upstream does so, so
should we.
No. That's why we have our own
On 12-07-10 at 10:07pm, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
On 2012-07-10 20:15, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On 12-07-10 at 07:35pm, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
On 2012-07-10 18:10, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
The very purpose of a meta-package is to _ensure_ that a certain
set of packages is
On Ma, 10 iul 12, 22:38:59, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
On 2012-07-10 22:21, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
but maybe package managers should gain a
Install-New-Recommends option defaulting to true?
^
Recommends are installed by default for quite a time already.
Sure, but not new
Hi,
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
No, I do not find it right for Debian to mandate meta-packages to only
recommend when some users need only a subset of the offerings of said
meta-package: There will _always_ be some users needing only a subset of
things, rendering all dependencies wrong by
Le 10/07/2012 21:45, Tomasz Rybak a écrit :
Thanks for extensive summary. I have one dimension to add to
this table though: supported OpenCL versions.
Currently Debian contains opencl-headers in version 1.2.
Many programs when they encounter headers in particular
version assume that they can
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Andrei POPESCU
andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
On Ma, 10 iul 12, 22:38:59, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
On 2012-07-10 22:21, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
but maybe package managers should gain a
Install-New-Recommends option defaulting to true?
^
Package: wnpp
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Hi Alexander,
On 2012-07-05 11:58, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote:
This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report
which was filed against the mysql-server-5.1 package:
#593463: [phpmyadmin] Failed ALTER query reports success
It has been closed by Debian FTP
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk writes:
[…]
It is a feature (which each user is free to avoid by not using it!)
for Debian to include a meta-package that pulls in that vil n-m,
not a bug.
… And what exactly this “feature” gives to the user?
[…]
--
FSF associate member #7257
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Shawn Landden shawnland...@gmail.com
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On Mi, 11 iul 12, 00:08:18, David Kalnischkies wrote:
Then please tell me what this code does:
http://anonscm.debian.org/loggerhead/apt/debian-sid/annotate/head:/apt-pkg/depcache.cc#L1103
(and yes, minus refactoring and bugfixing, this code is older than the
switch to enable installation
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