Re: "Hijacking packages for fun and profit" BoF at DebConf

2012-07-21 Thread Luk Claes
> Other than all the above, I have read interesting ideas on objective criteria > in Steve McIntyre's report. Basically my point of this e-mail is that I > welcome a debate on changing the MIA and NMU procedures to introduce objective > criteria with short periods of time so that it becomes easie

Re: "Hijacking packages for fun and profit" BoF at DebConf

2012-07-21 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Hi, > Hijack tokens > - > At the moment, *any* uploading DD can hijack by simply uploading a new > package version. Is that reasonable, or should we attempt to control > it somehow? There was a concept suggested of "hijack tokens" - an idea > that maintainers should be allowed to hijac

Re: "Hijacking packages for fun and profit" BoF at DebConf

2012-07-21 Thread Bart Martens
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 11:08:15AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > > > Other than all the above, I have read interesting ideas on objective > > criteria > > in Steve McIntyre's report. Basically my point of this e-mail is that I > > welcome a debate on changing the MIA and NMU procedures to introduce

Debian stickers

2012-07-21 Thread Philip Ashmore
Hi there. Has anyone thought of making Debian stickers for 1. products that work with Debian 2. products that can have Debian installed on them This would need some kind of database detailing products and any issues associated with them. These could be grouped by company, country of origin, a

Re: CD sizes again (and BoF reminder!)

2012-07-21 Thread Joey Hess
Hideki Yamane wrote: > On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 17:58:16 +0200 > Adam Borowski wrote: > > • xz -6 (the default) is a lot slower when compressing, fast when > > decompressing, needs only 10MB memory, 58% size > > • xz -9 has very slow compression, takes gobs of memory, 56% size > > (Obviously

Re: Bug#667703: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-07-21 Thread Joey Hess
Filipus Klutiero wrote: > I tested d-i last week and accidentally installled GNOME. This > allowed me to confirm that GNOME does not pull Synaptic in testing. gnome-core depends on nautilus, which recommends synaptic. Unless such recommends are being skipped by something, it should be installed.

Re: Bug#667703: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-07-21 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Hi, I also installed few times already wheezy with GNOME and there was never synaptic (PackageKit was the default). Cheers, zlatan On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Joey Hess wrote: > Filipus Klutiero wrote: > > I tested d-i last week and accidentally installled GNOME. This > > allowed me to c

Re: Debian stickers

2012-07-21 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:48:07 +0100 Philip Ashmore wrote: > I know I would have liked to see a page on the installation process that > told me how well the PC I was installing Debian on was supported in > terms of drivers and features. > > For unidentified or new hardware it could offer to add

Re: CD sizes again (and BoF reminder!)

2012-07-21 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 11:42:03AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Hideki Yamane wrote: > > On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 17:58:16 +0200 > > Adam Borowski wrote: > > > • xz -6 (the default) is a lot slower when compressing, fast when > > > decompressing, needs only 10MB memory, 58% size > > > • xz -9 has v

Re: CD sizes again (and BoF reminder!)

2012-07-21 Thread Uoti Urpala
Joey Hess wrote: > Hideki Yamane wrote: > > I tested as well, and sometimes decompression with xz is so slw, > > it takes 6-8 times than default gz. > > I was just watching your DebConf presentation "Lets shrink Debian > package archive" and I think there you said decompression with xz was >

Re: CD sizes again (and BoF reminder!)

2012-07-21 Thread brian m. carlson
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 09:25:50PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: > Most of the time taken by cdebootstrap is wasted by dpkg on doing > useless file syncs: > > cdebootstrap --arch=amd64 unstable debian-tree/ > > from local package cache on ext4: 138 seconds > > on tmpfs where dpkg can't waste time on

Re: Bug#667703: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-07-21 Thread Per Olofsson
2012-07-21 18:37, Joey Hess skrev: > gnome-core depends on nautilus, which recommends synaptic. > Unless such recommends are being skipped by something, it should be > installed. nautilus (3.2.1-2) unstable; urgency=low ... - Drop Recommends on synaptic and app-install-data. We no longer cal

Communication of technical committee decisions (Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict)

2012-07-21 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Arno, Arno Töll wrote: Hi, On 18.07.2012 02:07, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce would stay > dedicated to important announcements which may be useful for a wide > range of developers. While you are right in general I beg to disagree th

ITP: cnrun -- a slow but precise neural network simulator supporting NeuroML

2012-07-21 Thread andrei zavada
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andrei Zavada * Package name: cnrun Version : 1.1.12 Upstream Author : Andrei Zavada * URL : http://johnhommer.com/academic/code/cnrun * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : a slow but precise neural

Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-21 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Stefano, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 08:07:15PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce would > stay dedicated to important announcements which may be useful for a > wide range of developers. tech-ctte resolutions d

Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-21 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Jonas, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On 12-07-17 at 08:07pm, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > On 2012-07-12 14:59, Don Armstrong wrote: > >=== Resolution === > >The Technical Committee reaffirms the importance of preventing namespace > >collisions for programs in the distribution, while recognizing th

Re: Communication of technical committee decisions (Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict)

2012-07-21 Thread Thibaut Paumard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Le 21/07/12 22:35, Filipus Klutiero a écrit : > Hi Arno, > > Arno Töll wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 18.07.2012 02:07, Filipus Klutiero wrote: >>> Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce >>> would stay dedicated to important announcemen

Communication of the technical committee's decisions (Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict)

2012-07-21 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Russ Allbery wrote: Jonas Smedegaard writes: > I believe the reason for targeting -announce as well was the initial > part about a more general principle, preserved in my quoting above, > which IMO does relate to all D

Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-21 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Don, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2012, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce would > stay dedicated to important announcements which may be useful for a > wide range of developers. Because developers can override CTTE decisions, it's

Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 04:38:21PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > >On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 08:07:15PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > >> Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce would > >> stay dedicated to important announcements which may be usef

Re: Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 04:38:21PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > Hi Stefano, > > Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > >On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 08:07:15PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > >> Thank you, but I would appreciate if debian-devel-announce would > >> stay dedicated to important announcements

Re: Debian stickers

2012-07-21 Thread Philip Ashmore
On 21/07/12 18:17, Neil Williams wrote: On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:48:07 +0100 Philip Ashmore wrote: I know I would have liked to see a page on the installation process that told me how well the PC I was installing Debian on was supported in terms of drivers and features. For unidentified or new

Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-21 Thread Faidon Liambotis
On 07/21/12 23:58, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > You're complaining about the posting volume of a list that has 13 + > 17 + 16 + 7 + 8 + 10 + 4 = 75 messages this year, or about 2.6 days > between posts. Is this a reasonable complaint? I don't think so. > > In my opinion, _every_ technical committee dec

Re: glibc very old

2012-07-21 Thread Artem Leschev
I think you need to file a bug against libc6 package about this. -- Artem Leschev signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-21 Thread Holger Levsen
Dear tech-ctte, On Samstag, 21. Juli 2012, Faidon Liambotis wrote: > > In my opinion, _every_ technical committee decision should be posted > > to debian-devel-announce. Any time that the TC needs to make a decision, > > it's already an unusual circumstance, and usually something's gone wrong. > >

mark 'editor' virtual package name as obsolete

2012-07-21 Thread Artem Leschev
Virtual package name 'editor' was removed from Authoritative List of Virtual Package Names in 1996 year, but it is used at our days. Maybe we need to add it to section "Old and obsolete virtual package names", which is empty? If yes, we need to file a bug against each package that uses it, so this

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-21 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Wookey > 3) Network manager should have an /etc/default/ ENABLE/DISABLE switch > (as wicd does) [...] > I do believe that at least one of the above should be done for wheezy. Is there any reason whatsoever to have the setting in both /etc/default and /etc/rcN.d? I really wish we could get

Re: CD sizes again (and BoF reminder!)

2012-07-21 Thread Uoti Urpala
brian m. carlson wrote: > On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 09:25:50PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: > > So at least in this case the biggest performance problem by far is the > > inappropriate use of fsync() or other disk synchronization primitives, > > and CPU use for unpacking is pretty much irrelevant. > >

Re: CD sizes again (and BoF reminder!)

2012-07-21 Thread Simon Paillard
Hi, On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 09:25:50PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: > Joey Hess wrote: > > Hideki Yamane wrote: > > > I tested as well, and sometimes decompression with xz is so slw, > > > it takes 6-8 times than default gz. > > > > I was just watching your DebConf presentation "Lets shrink De

Re: CD sizes again (and BoF reminder!)

2012-07-21 Thread Joey Hess
Mike Hommey wrote: > Note that slower decompression doesn't necessarily mean longer > installation time. I/O is still more time consuming than CPU. Which is why I asked for actual, real-world benchmarks... -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [CTTE #614907] Resolution of node/nodejs conflict

2012-07-21 Thread Steve McIntyre
Lars Wirzenius wrote: > >In my opinion, _every_ technical committee decision should be posted >to debian-devel-announce. Any time that the TC needs to make a decision, >it's already an unusual circumstance, and usually something's gone wrong. >It's _good_ to inform the whole project about it. It is

Re: Bug#667703: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-07-21 Thread Joey Hess
Per Olofsson wrote: > 2012-07-21 18:37, Joey Hess skrev: > > gnome-core depends on nautilus, which recommends synaptic. > > Unless such recommends are being skipped by something, it should be > > installed. > > > nautilus (3.2.1-2) unstable; urgency=low > > ... > - Drop Recommends on synapti

Re: Debian stickers

2012-07-21 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Neil Williams writes: > The biggest problem is that none of the arbitrary strings which get > printed on the packaging, product specs or even on the hardware itself > have any direct link to the actual chipsets used and it is the chipsets > which determine support. Most manufacturers have no inter

Re: CD sizes again (and BoF reminder!)

2012-07-21 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 11:42:03AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Hideki Yamane wrote: > > On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 17:58:16 +0200 > > Adam Borowski wrote: > > > • xz -6 (the default) is a lot slower when compressing, fast when > > > decompressing, needs only 10MB memory, 58% size > > > • xz -9 has v

Re: Debian stickers

2012-07-21 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 07/21/2012 10:48 PM, Philip Ashmore wrote: > Hi there. > > Has anyone thought of making Debian stickers for > 1. products that work with Debian > 2. products that can have Debian installed on them > > This would need some kind of database detailing products and any > issues associated with them.

Re: Debian stickers

2012-07-21 Thread lina
I am (seriously) thinking, is it possible to turn the apple light logo to debian/linux logo? Thanks, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAG9cJm=r63dffrf

Re: glibc very old

2012-07-21 Thread Andreas Metzler
Artem Leschev wrote: > [-- text/plain, Encoding quoted-printable, Zeichensatz: UTF-8, 4 Zeilen --] > I think you need to file a bug against libc6 package about this. That would be a duplicate, http://bugs.debian.org/672934 exists. cu andreas -- `What a good friend you are to him, Dr. Maturin.