On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz
wrote:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:44:21AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
My most recent experience with PulseAudio came when I noticed that WoW
(run through Wine) was producing crackling, stuttering sound again; this
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:43:32 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Some older versions prior 1.0.x were broken or had exposed bugs in ALSA
drivers which needed to be fixed. These days, however, PulseAudio is
rock-stable.
It usually breaks only for people who
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:09:20 +0200, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
What I find rude is that a minority of idiots is taking the project
hostage of their ridiculous demands, preventing a quick switch to a
decent init systems, for reasons that are anything but technical.
Once more, I find
On 07/17/2013 09:26 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
Where are the end-user docs that explain the concept?
Was that a troll question? Just use your favorite
search engine.
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/
http://freedesktop.org/software/pulseaudio/doxygen/
PA also
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Christoph Egger christ...@debian.org
* Package name: python-pycarddav
Version : 0.5.0
* URL : http://lostpackets.de/pycarddav/
* License : Expat
Programming Lang: python
Description : simple to use CardDAV CLI
On 07/17/2013 09:24 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:09:20 +0200, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
What I find rude is that a minority of idiots is taking the project
hostage of their ridiculous demands, preventing a quick switch to a
decent init systems, for reasons that are
On 17-07-13 10:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
PA also has excellent support on their IRC channels. I have been
able to solve any problem I had with it so far and in all
cases it turned out to be a user error.
So have I, with alsa. Mainly because I've never had any problem with
alsa
On 07/17/2013 10:48 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
So have I, with alsa. Mainly because I've never had any problem with
alsa beyond my hardware is shiny new and the driver hasn't been written
yet. Okay, and there was also this one time where I wanted to figure
out how you enable analog 5.1 surround
On Jul 16, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
This reflects poorly on the infrastructure in question. Handling /etc as a
separate filesystem from /, aside from not being a feature anyone else
has asked for and not being a requirement for reducing deltas with upstreams
/ other distros,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes:
I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless
simply don't realize that there can be sound setups which are a little
more sophisticated than just a single sound card and configuring
these can be PITA when
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz, le Wed 17 Jul 2013 10:58:49 +0200, a écrit :
I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless
simply don't realize that there can be sound setups which are a little
more sophisticated than just a single sound card and configuring
these can be
On 07/17/2013 11:09 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
That these setups exist is completely fine. That the additional
PulseAudio layer is being imposed even on systems that have a single
sound card, is not.
Unless your PC was made in 1995, I am pretty sure it has one of these
advanced setups.
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz, le Wed 17 Jul 2013 11:13:37 +0200, a écrit :
On 07/17/2013 11:09 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
That these setups exist is completely fine. That the additional
PulseAudio layer is being imposed even on systems that have a single
sound card, is not.
Unless your PC was
Hi,
On Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2013, Samuel Thibault wrote:
[PA]
It's getting pulled through various packages.
same with bluetooth
If you don't like it, uninstall it.
It becomes more and more difficult to do it.
same with bluetooth
I don't use bluetooth, I don't want the bluetooth stack
Holger Levsen, le Wed 17 Jul 2013 12:04:24 +0200, a écrit :
On Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2013, Samuel Thibault wrote:
[PA]
It's getting pulled through various packages.
same with bluetooth
If you don't like it, uninstall it.
It becomes more and more difficult to do it.
same with
Op 17-07-13 11:20, Samuel Thibault schreef:
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz, le Wed 17 Jul 2013 11:13:37 +0200, a écrit :
On 07/17/2013 11:09 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
That these setups exist is completely fine. That the additional
PulseAudio layer is being imposed even on systems that have a
On 2013-07-17, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote:
same with bluetooth
=20
I don't use bluetooth, I don't want the bluetooth stack installed but yet I=
do=20
see how this is a sensible thing to install with the default desktop. Same=
=20
with PA I'd say.
especially both of them.
On 2013-07-15, Jerome BENOIT g62993...@rezozer.net wrote:
When the SONAME increments the associated binary library package has a new
name,
so the SONAME suffix has to increment as well accordingly: for a library
package
lambda, the binary library package could be renamed from liblambda0 to
Broadcom is in serious need of a full-frontal attack.
Everyone should check for them before buying hardware,
And if you 'dmidecode | grep -i broadcom' gives or says anything,
spend your money elsewhere.
Or take it back to the store - and tell them why.
(Proprietary, crap Broadcom chips)
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 05:42:46AM -0700, Mark Symonds wrote:
Broadcom is in serious need of a full-frontal attack.
Everyone should check for them before buying hardware,
And if you 'dmidecode | grep -i broadcom' gives or says anything,
spend your money elsewhere.
Or take it back
On 07/17/2013 03:05 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Chris Bannister
cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:44:21AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
My most recent experience with PulseAudio came when I noticed
that WoW (run through Wine) was producing
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:58:49 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Some sound cards expose two dozens or more
... usually underdocumented, if documented at all, ...
level adjustments which most
people don't even understand. I don't think it's a bad idea in general
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:20:19 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 07/17/2013 09:24 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:09:20 +0200, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
What I find rude is that a minority of idiots is taking the project
hostage of
On 07/17/2013 05:40 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:58:49 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Some sound cards expose two dozens or more
... usually underdocumented, if documented at all, ...
The Fedora people had a very nice screen shot of the
On 07/17/2013 05:38 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
I would not have posted if that had been the first time I found Joss'
advocacy offensive. It is, however, a repeated pattern.
From which I would infer you shouldn't take it as a personal offense.
He usually has a point, even though he is exaggerating
On 17 July 2013 17:04, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 07/17/2013 05:38 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
I would not have posted if that had been the first time I found Joss'
advocacy offensive. It is, however, a repeated pattern.
From which I would infer you
I see a sudden surge of build failures against my latest upload of
packages[1]. From the build logs, it looks like all warnings are treated
as errors now.
If that is the case, I would like to know how others are dealing with
it? Fixing every build warning
[1]
Ritesh Raj Sarraf, le Wed 17 Jul 2013 22:38:51 +0530, a écrit :
I see a sudden surge of build failures against my latest upload of
packages[1]. From the build logs, it looks like all warnings are treated
as errors now.
If that is the case, I would like to know how others are dealing with
On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 19:15:42 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Ritesh Raj Sarraf, le Wed 17 Jul 2013 22:38:51 +0530, a écrit :
I see a sudden surge of build failures against my latest upload of
packages[1]. From the build logs, it looks like all warnings are treated
as errors now.
If
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 09:17:58AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 07/16/2013 02:19 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 04:18:17PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
If OpenRC goes up to the shape I expect, it will have a huge advantage
over systemd and Upstart: it will not be
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Maarten Lankhorst
maarten.lankho...@canonical.com wrote:
Op 17-07-13 11:20, Samuel Thibault schreef:
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz, le Wed 17 Jul 2013 11:13:37 +0200, a écrit :
On 07/17/2013 11:09 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
That these setups exist is completely
* Steve Langasek:
Like?
- Reliable, low-maintenance system startup (no races / ordering bugs)
- Reliable service supervision
- Fast startup
- Sensible dynamic service management in response to post-boot events
(network up/down, device add/remove, etc).
- Simple, declarative syntax
We
On Wednesday 17 July 2013 10:45 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
See configure.ac in your package:
AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE([-Wall -Werror foreign])
You probably want to remove -Werror and tell upstream that it's not so
good an idea.
That being said, the warnings at stake do produce a bug: %lx is too
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:58:49AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless
simply don't realize that there can be sound setups which are a little
more sophisticated than just a single sound card and configuring
these can
On 07/17/2013 09:26 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:58:49AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless
simply don't realize that there can be sound setups which are a little
more sophisticated than just a
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:36:40PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 07/17/2013 09:26 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:58:49AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless
simply don't realize that
On 07/17/2013 09:45 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
That's Fedora, right, which adopted PulseAudio in 2007 and told the rest of
the world it was ready for production use?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeaturePulseaudio
No, Fedora cannot be counted as main stream. People who use Fedora
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:55:16PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 07/17/2013 09:45 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
That's Fedora, right, which adopted PulseAudio in 2007 and told the rest of
the world it was ready for production use?
Steve Langasek wrote:
You misunderstand me. I'm not upset about anything - I'm merely pointing
out that Lennart is an unreliable source where claims of
production-readiness are concerned. Ubuntu may have fallen for his
silver-tongued sales pitch back in 2007, but there's no reason Debian
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 01:26:34PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
Though if we're going to talk about bugs, even though the kernel audio
drivers have long since adapted to meet pulseaudio's requirements, PA itself
still manages to turn up some doozies.
On 17-07-13 10:58, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 07/17/2013 10:48 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
So have I, with alsa. Mainly because I've never had any problem with
alsa beyond my hardware is shiny new and the driver hasn't been written
yet. Okay, and there was also this one time where I
On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 09:36:40 PM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 07/17/2013 09:26 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:58:49AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless
simply don't realize that
On 07/18/2013 01:00 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
They're both APIs that applications can use to produce audio. What do
you mean, it doesn't make sense?
Of course they're not the same thing; I get that. That's not what I'm
saying. But as far as producing audio is concerned, they can both do that.
On 07/18/2013 01:39 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
Kubuntu never shipped KDE 4.0 as it's default/primary desktop. In 8.04, it
was KDE 3.5.9, IIRC, might have been .8. There were KDE 4.0 packages, but no
one got them unless they installed them on purpose.
I'm not sure what you're getting at?
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 06:35:17 AM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 07/18/2013 01:39 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
Kubuntu never shipped KDE 4.0 as it's default/primary desktop. In 8.04,
it
was KDE 3.5.9, IIRC, might have been .8. There were KDE 4.0 packages, but
no one got them
On 07/18/2013 06:54 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
I'd ask your friend why KDE is releasing stuff they don't want shipped then?
As I said. It was unfortunate that they tagged it stable. Yet, nearly
everyone who was a little involved into FOSS knew that KDE 4 simply
wasn't ready back then. It was
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