On 07/19/2013 08:32 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 07/18/2013 09:45 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
If OpenRC isn't what we need (I still believe it does address a bunch of
problems and that the fact it can work for non-Linux port is a key
factor), then I'd be for Upstart. I do maintain my
On Thu, July 18, 2013 09:15, Thomas Goirand wrote:
- Fast startup
I thought everyone claimed (including systemd supporters) that this was
a teenager side effect which we didn't care much about.
Definitely not. Debian should care about fast boot a lot. Rebooting a
system, planned or not, is
]] Russ Allbery
The upstart package takes over process 1, so 100% of the systems with the
upstart package installed are using it as process 1. The same is true of
systemd-sysv, of course.
This isn't necessarily true. I used to run my laptop with systemd as
pid 1 and the upstart package
On 07/19/2013 10:15 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Popcon however speaks a completely different language:
Even if that was truth (Russ showed it might not), I don't see how this
is a counter argument to what I wrote. Besides this, this is not a
voting system: if we were governed only by a majority
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On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:50:36AM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
On Thu, July 18, 2013 09:15, Thomas Goirand wrote:
- Fast startup
I thought everyone claimed (including systemd supporters) that this was
a teenager side effect which we didn't care much about.
Definitely not. Debian
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 07:05:16AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Yeah, I see that. But my original point was that the many griefs and
complaints people about PulseAudio have originate from the fact that
many people already used it when it simply wasn't ready yet, so it's
not fair to
Hi,
On Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2013, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
I just noticed in my local piuparts instance that adequate now issues
incompatible-licenses tags, too. Nice feature, Jakub! :-)
adequate 0.7 is now installed on pejacevic.d.o and piu-slave, so from now on,
these results will be shown on
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Hi William,
William Giokas 1007...@gmail.com writes:
* 'Graphical UI: yes': Nope.
side note: it is from
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html
Cheers,
Benda
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Hi,
would FOSS Exception similar to
http://www.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/foss-exception/ fix the
relicensing problem?
If so, I will propose Oracle developers to add the FOSS Exception to
Berkeley DB licensing.
The MySQL FOSS Exception doesn't include 4-clause BSD, so it still might
bar
2013/7/19 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org:
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes:
On 07/19/2013 02:55 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
I believe the equivalent systemd package to the upstart package is the
systemd-sysv package, so 174 rather than 1604 is perhaps the better
number
On 07/19/2013 06:57 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
sysvinit148865 99.83%
The reason might be that systemd does not conflict with sysvinit :).
Adrian
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On 07/19/2013 06:43 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 07/19/2013 05:43 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
We try to have technical reasoning, which is (one of) the reason this
list exists. This has nothing to do with voting.
If we actually did, the choice would have already been made for systemd
On Friday, July 19, 2013 06:35:48 PM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 07/19/2013 06:12 PM, Mathieu Parent wrote:
As the recommended way to install systemd is using init= and not
installing systemd-sysv, maybe the popcon vote count is the correct
metric?
Plus, systemd isn't pulled in
Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org writes:
As I understand, when a library generated from a foo source packge moves
to a new SONAME, we change its library package name:
library file:libfoo.so.1 - libfoo.so.2
library package: libfoo1 - libfoo2
But what should we do with the symbols file
Scott Kitterman wrote:
On Friday, July 19, 2013 06:35:48 PM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 07/19/2013 06:12 PM, Mathieu Parent wrote:
systemd is used regulardly on about 1200 popcon submiters, upstart
on about 600 (this is even less than 100 from 2013-07-04, but what
happened!).
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 07/19/2013 06:57 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
sysvinit 148865 99.83%
The reason might be that systemd does not conflict with sysvinit :).
So are we playing word games now or trying to solve a problem? According to the
popcon
On 07/19/2013 05:43 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
We try to have technical reasoning, which is (one of) the reason this
list exists. This has nothing to do with voting.
If we actually did, the choice would have already been made for systemd
long time ago. Don't make yourself any illusions. It has
On 07/19/2013 07:47 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 07/19/2013 06:57 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
sysvinit148865 99.83%
The reason might be that systemd does not conflict with sysvinit :).
So are we playing word games now
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On 2013-07-19 11:56, Helmut Grohne wrote:
In your reply to Wouter Verhelst you repeatedly argue how PulseAudio
saves time on your end. As has been pointed out this matches neither
Wouter's nor my experience. Clearly your claims are not universal.
Neither are yours. PA works fine for me with
David Kalnischkies kalnischk...@gmail.com writes:
Of course, both analysis are obviously flawed as this popcon data can't
really be interpreted that way as its an apple to banana comparison and
way too few datapoints, but everyone likes misinterpret statistics as
proven by this thread – and
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:48 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 07/19/2013 07:47 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 07/19/2013 06:57 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
sysvinit148865 99.83%
The
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:49:07PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
❦ 19 juillet 2013 11:56 CEST, Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de :
So PA is not removing complexity, but adding to it. Surely a bit of
complexity is needed to solve sophisticated tasks, but it could indeed
do better. For
Dear Russ,
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
I would *hope* a lot of Debian developers would do things like that,
for any of the options! There's no substitute for actually trying the
software and seeing how easy it is to use, how well it works, and how
difficult it is to support. There
On 07/19/2013 05:25 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 07/19/2013 10:15 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Popcon however speaks a completely different language:
Even if that was truth (Russ showed it might not), I don't see how this
is a counter argument to what I wrote. Besides this, this is
On 07/19/2013 06:12 PM, Mathieu Parent wrote:
As the recommended way to install systemd is using init= and not
installing systemd-sysv, maybe the popcon vote count is the correct
metric?
Plus, systemd isn't pulled in by anything else which means when it's
there it's there because it was
Dear all,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes:
Says the guy who posted this to back up his chain of arguments:
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Talk:Comparison_of_init_systems
Excuse me for hijacking this reply.
On the wiki page.
I revised it into present form last
Hi,
As I understand, when a library generated from a foo source packge moves
to a new SONAME, we change its library package name:
library file:libfoo.so.1 - libfoo.so.2
library package: libfoo1 - libfoo2
But what should we do with the symbols file as the BEST PRACTICE?
Should we
Having read both sets of docs (and not merely the two pages named), I have to
assert that the question is not a troll.
The end user docs explain to end users how to use PA when everything's going
according to plan, and cover some common glitches.
I have gained no additional understanding of
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 04:29:21PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
Hi,
would FOSS Exception similar to
http://www.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/foss-exception/ fix the
relicensing problem?
If so, I will propose Oracle developers to add the FOSS Exception to
Berkeley DB licensing.
The
❦ 19 juillet 2013 11:56 CEST, Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de :
So PA is not removing complexity, but adding to it. Surely a bit of
complexity is needed to solve sophisticated tasks, but it could indeed
do better. For instance pacmd list-* could get some verbosity switches
and hide some
Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com writes:
On Friday, July 19, 2013 06:35:48 PM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
The data that we have now is the actual data and it shows upstart
isn't very popular.
sysvinit 148865 99.83%
Neither is systemd. The numbers for either are small enough
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:43:33PM +0200, David Kalnischkies wrote:
But we have also gnome-settings-daemon in experimental which depends without
an alternative on it. Now, if you look really close on the popcon data for
systemd you see that in March 2013 there is a plateau reached for systemd,
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 07/19/2013 06:12 PM, Mathieu Parent wrote:
As the recommended way to install systemd is using init= and not
installing systemd-sysv, maybe the popcon vote count is the correct
metric?
Plus,
Le Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 07:14:31PM -0700, Vincent Cheng a écrit :
If/when gnome-shell 3.8 hits unstable and systemd gets forced on end
users as well...I dare say that the general outcry here on
debian-devel would make the past network-manager related threads look
tame in comparison. I offer
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On 07/20/2013 12:43 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 07/19/2013 05:43 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
We try to have technical reasoning, which is (one of) the reason this
list exists. This has nothing to do with voting.
If we actually did, the choice would have already been made for
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