Re: Re: lirc and new upstream release, can we update?

2016-09-14 Thread Gianfranco Costamagna
Hi Don! > >The package has a team, but since it looks like it's been maintained by >NMU for quite some time, I see no reason why you could "join the team", >and then basically take over the maintenance of this package. in more than one year, nobody managed to accept me and Alec. (we both tried to

Re: Bug#837723: Removing/Disabling the general psuedo package; refering to debian-u...@lists.debian.org

2016-09-14 Thread Holger Levsen
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 04:11:21PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > bugs.debian.org controls whether pseudopackage exist at all; reportbug > is responsible for what reportbug outputs as possible pseudopackages. I'm well aware of that… > That's true. There are some bugs which affect lots of packages

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-14 Thread Abou Al Montacir
Hi Holger, On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 17:08 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 04:15:54PM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > > Control: reopen -1 > > > > Sorry, I don't think that the best way to solve this issue is to close > > > > the bug. > > it seems you haven't realized two thin

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-14 Thread Abou Al Montacir
On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 14:27 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Holger Levsen writes: > > > it seems you haven't realized two things: > > - the "general" pseudo package is mostly useless > > - when Ben closed this bug he gave a pointer to another bug which > >   basically is the same issue *and* a muc

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-14 Thread Abou Al Montacir
On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 15:51 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > Russ Allbery wrote: > > Should we just disable the general pseudo-package?  Is it serving a > > sufficient useful purpose to warrant the constant (if somewhat slow) > > stream of misdirected bug reports? > > I don't think so, no.  Seems bet

Re: Bug#837723: Removing/Disabling the general psuedo package; refering to debian-u...@lists.debian.org

2016-09-14 Thread Abou Al Montacir
I'm quite disappointed that instead of trying to fix the bug you are just trying to discuss how to make user life more complicated. What is the difference between Debian and any commercial SW? Just that it becomes less user friendly with less support despite it is cost free. --  Cheers, Abou Al Mon

Re: Use and abuse of the unreproducible tag

2016-09-14 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:56:52AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > sorry, I don't share you view that this might be funny. You are known to make > issues RC issues like the missing build-indep/build-arch targets. I think the > RC severity of such reports is at least questionable. No, that's not

Re: Bug#837723: Removing/Disabling the general psuedo package; refering to debian-u...@lists.debian.org

2016-09-14 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:34:26AM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > I'm quite disappointed that instead of trying to fix the bug you are just > trying > to discuss how to make user life more complicated. how about you take care about those 32 bugs against https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport

Re: Re: lirc and new upstream release, can we update?

2016-09-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote: > in more than one year, nobody managed to accept me and Alec. > (we both tried to join loong time ago) Did you try these? Contacting the team via other methods (IRC/Twitter/Facebook/etc?). Asking the alioth admins to add you. -- b

Re: Bug#837723: Removing/Disabling the general psuedo package; refering to debian-u...@lists.debian.org

2016-09-14 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:56:33AM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > I'll have a look. I don't promise I can help as I don't know if I have the > skill > for all of them but it is worth the trial. very cool, thanks! -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#837723: Removing/Disabling the general psuedo package; refering to debian-u...@lists.debian.org

2016-09-14 Thread Abou Al Montacir
On Wed, 2016-09-14 at 11:44 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:34:26AM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > > > > I'm quite disappointed that instead of trying to fix the bug you are > > > > just trying > > to discuss how to make user life more complicated. > > how about you tak

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:23:56AM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > Because you think people will not be frustrated if they experience a bug and > that we prevent them to raise bugs? Hiding reality is always bad?. Look at the > original reporter last message. He seems quite disappointed by the proj

Re: Re: Re: lirc and new upstream release, can we update?

2016-09-14 Thread Gianfranco Costamagna
Hi Paul, >Did you try these? > >Contacting the team via other methods (IRC/Twitter/Facebook/etc?). > >Asking the alioth admins to add you. actually the team was dead, nobody was active anymore (probably all the admin aren't not DD anymore). The only member active was Stefan, that has been made a

Re: Use and abuse of the unreproducible tag

2016-09-14 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 07:38:37PM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote: > > What I find disturbing is that we really think that shaming the > maintainer would be a better approach. I also consider the time of all involved persons (bug reporter, maintainer, posters and readers on this list) well better s

Re: lirc and new upstream release, can we update?

2016-09-14 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 14, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote: > I got a (back to january), a nice review with an "ETOOBUSY, come back on > june" or whatever > and now it is september and freeze is approaching... > I would like to avoid a new stable with the old libirman/lirc Please just hijack the package. -- ciao,

Re: lirc and new upstream release, can we update?

2016-09-14 Thread Alec Leamas
On 14/09/16 10:58, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote: I can sponsor it, but I would like to see some positive feedbacks before doing it :) Part of this is the upstream, debian packaging which (besides changelog) is identical to the package in mentors. There has been several hundred downloads of

Bug#837773: ITP: libjs-objectpath -- parses js object paths using both dot and bracket notation

2016-09-14 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: libjs-objectpath Version : 1.2.1 Upstream Author : Mike Marcacci * URL : https://github.com/mike-marcacci/objectpath * License : Expat Programming Lang: JavaScript Description : par

Bug#837774: ITP: python-xstatic-objectpath -- objectpath XStatic packaging standard

2016-09-14 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-xstatic-objectpath Version : 1.2.1.0 Upstream Author : Rob Cresswell * URL : https://github.com/robcresswell/xstatic-objectpath * License : Expat Programming Lang: Python, JavaScri

Re: Use and abuse of the unreproducible tag

2016-09-14 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 01:00:46PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: >a) more friendly Please check the facts. The "initial email" which started this discussion was not really the one in -devel but this one: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=837614#19 I think that's friendly enough

Tracking forks of dead upstreams

2016-09-14 Thread Bernhard Schmidt
Hi, TL;DR: What to do when a project with a dead upstream is "forked" and development continues under the same name Long story: gnarwl, a GPLv2 LDAP-based email autoresponder developed by Patrick Ahlbrecht, has recently been orphaned in Debian. Since a legacy mail system of my employer still uses

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-14 Thread Joël Krähemann
Hi reproducing the critical parts in a unit test would be helpful Something like in the attachment. install dependencies: apt-get install libcunit1-dev Compile with gcc -g -o mutex_fail_test mutex_fail_test.c `pkg-config --cflags --libs cunit` -pthread launch ./mutex_fail_test Bests, Joël

Re: Tracking forks of dead upstreams

2016-09-14 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 01:30:18PM +, Bernhard Schmidt wrote: > How would you generally deal with a situation like this? > > * switch homepage to github, convince github owner to tag new upstream > release and update package to new release > + properly documented where develo

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-14 Thread Jason Crain
On 2016-09-14, Joël Krähemann wrote: > reproducing the critical parts in a unit test would be helpful > > Something like in the attachment. > > install dependencies: > > apt-get install libcunit1-dev > > Compile with > > gcc -g -o mutex_fail_test mutex_fail_test.c `pkg-config --cflags > --lib

Re: Re: lirc and new upstream release, can we update?

2016-09-14 Thread Gianfranco Costamagna
>Part of this is the upstream, debian packaging which (besides changelog) is >identical to the package in mentors. There has been several hundred downloads >of this packaging without any packaging-related bugs reported. I can also add that a colleague is happily using the new lirc on mentors on

Re: Support for merged-/usr now in debootstrap; default for stretch?

2016-09-14 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:36:58 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > Hi, > > debootstrap in unstable can now install with merged-/usr, that is with > /bin, /sbin, /lib* being symlinks to their counterpart in /usr. Run > > debootstrap --merged-usr testing .../testing > http://deb.debian.org/debian

Re: Support for merged-/usr now in debootstrap; default for stretch?

2016-09-14 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > debootstrap in unstable can now install with merged-/usr, that is > with > /bin, /sbin, /lib* being symlinks to their counterpart in /usr.  Run > >   debootstrap --merged-usr testing .../testing http://deb.debian.org/ > debian > > to give it a try. As I was just asked o

Re: Support for merged-/usr now in debootstrap; default for stretch?

2016-09-14 Thread Pierre Chifflier
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 02:38:09PM +, Felipe Sateler wrote: > On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:36:58 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > debootstrap in unstable can now install with merged-/usr, that is with > > /bin, /sbin, /lib* being symlinks to their counterpart in /usr. Run > > > >

Re: Tracking forks of dead upstreams

2016-09-14 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 01:30:18PM +, Bernhard Schmidt wrote: > What to do when a project with a dead upstream is "forked" and > development continues under the same name > Patrick very quickly replied and declined with (IMHO very reasonable) [...] > arguments > > * people still associate g

Re: Support for merged-/usr now in debootstrap; default for stretch?

2016-09-14 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 14.09.2016 um 16:50 schrieb Pierre Chifflier: > Except that breaks having different mount points, which is useful to > enforce different mount options (my /usr is nodev,ro). > Does this mean this cannot be supported anymore ? It would be a step > backward, security-speaking, if split /usr does n

Re: Bug#837723: Removing/Disabling the general psuedo package; refering to debian-u...@lists.debian.org

2016-09-14 Thread gregor herrmann
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 15:24:49 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 13 Sep 2016, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Should we just disable the general pseudo-package? Is it serving a > > sufficient useful purpose to warrant the constant (if somewhat slow) > > stream of misdirected bug reports? > I personally

base is worse than general (Re: Bug#837723: Removing/Disabling the general psuedo package; refering to debian-u...@lists.debian.org

2016-09-14 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 06:23:48PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: > Sorry if this has been brought up already. Another option would be to > change the mapping of package:general from debian-devel@ldo to > debian-user@ldo. I guess this has a similar effect (getting help in > triaging the problem) wit

Bug#837794: ITP: barman-cli -- Client Utilities for Barman, Backup and Recovery Manager for PostgreSQL

2016-09-14 Thread Marco Nenciarini
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Marco Nenciarini * Package name: barman-cli Version : 1.1 Upstream Author : 2ndQuadrant Italy Srl * URL : http://www.pgbarman.org/ * License : GPL3 Programming Lang: Python Description : Client Utilities for Barm

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-14 Thread Marvin Renich
[Please do not CC me, I am subscribed. You seem to have a habit of CC'ing the individuals to whose messages you are responding. This is contrary to this list's documented policy.] * Abou Al Montacir [160914 05:31]: > The duty of the project is to > help him investigating the right way so that t

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Abou Al Montacir writes: > Because you think people will not be frustrated if they experience a bug > and that we prevent them to raise bugs? Hiding reality is always > bad?. Look at the original reporter last message. He seems quite > disappointed by the project reaction. He should feel as we do

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Abou Al Montacir writes: > We are here facing a bug that appears only on some devices. The issue is > tricky and the user does not have the skills to debug. The duty of the > project is to help him investigating the right way so that the bug get > solved. No, it's not. I hate to be this blunt a

Re: Support for merged-/usr now in debootstrap; default for stretch?

2016-09-14 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 14, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > One can also test installations using d-i.  The images from [1] already Just to be clear: merged-/usr can be tested on an existing system by installing the usrmerge package. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Bug#837805: (no subject)

2016-09-14 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) * Package name: python-can Version : 1.5.2 Upstream Author : Brian Thorne * URL : https://bitbucket.org/hardbyte/python-can * License : LGPL v3 Programming Lang: Python Description

Bug#837806: ITP: python-canmatrix -- Handle CAN (Controller Area Network) database formats

2016-09-14 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) * Package name: python-canmatrix Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : Eduard Broecker * URL : http://github.com/ebroecker/canmatrix * License : BSD Programming Lang: Python Description

Re: Bug#837805: Acknowledgement (ITP: python-can -- Controller Area Network interface module for Python)

2016-09-14 Thread Debian/GNU
Control: retitle -1 ITP: python-can -- Controller Area Network interface module for Python Thanks. Ooops, seems like i forgot the subject in this ITP On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 08:09:05PM +, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: > Thank you for filing a new Bug report with Debian. > > This is an a

Bug#837867: ITP: libapp-ledgersmb-admin-perl - Easily Manage LedgerSMB Installations

2016-09-14 Thread Robert J. Clay
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org,debian-p...@lists.debian.org * Package name: libapp-ledgersmb-admin-perl Version: 0.05 Upstream Author : Chris Travers * URL or Web page : https://metacpan.org/pod/App::LedgerSMB::Admin * License

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-14 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2016-09-14 at 11:21 +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > Hi Holger, > > On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 17:08 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 04:15:54PM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > > > > > > Control: reopen -1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I don't think that the

Re: Support for merged-/usr now in debootstrap; default for stretch?

2016-09-14 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 05:08:18PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 14.09.2016 um 16:50 schrieb Pierre Chifflier: > > Except that breaks having different mount points, which is useful to > > enforce different mount options (my /usr is nodev,ro). > > Does this mean this cannot be supported anymore ?

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-14 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 01:15:47PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:23:56AM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > > Because you think people will not be frustrated if they experience a bug and > > that we prevent them to raise bugs? Hiding reality is always bad?. Look at > > th