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❦ 20 février 2018 09:05 +0200, Arto Jantunen :
>> Moreover, backports do not accept security patches. You can only push a
>> version in testing (or unstable). Notably, if the version in testing is
>> not easily backportable (because of new dependencies), you may wait
>> quite
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> - What tools should I be using to identify which of these will be
> undistributable constructs? Aka: how, given a list of source packages,
> can I determine which are GPL-2-only in the codepaths that link against
> CUPS?
> [CUPS-links-to] CUPS dynamically links
Vincent Bernat writes:
> Moreover, backports do not accept security patches. You can only push a
> version in testing (or unstable). Notably, if the version in testing is
> not easily backportable (because of new dependencies), you may wait
> quite some time before you get a
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On 20/02/2018 08:05, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote:
> https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Guidelines may be of help, as would
> the other pages on https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives
PS: As Pabs pointed out to me on IRC, the debian-blends list might be
more appropriate for blends (more
On 19/02/2018 19:25, Project Echo wrote:
> Hey Debian Developers!
Hi! This list is for the development of Debian, please rather use a more
appropriate list, like debian-derivatives for questions regarding
derivatives, custom spins, pure blends, etc.
> I have a few questions about making a
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❦ 19 février 2018 22:59 GMT, Craig Small :
>> >> a bit like backports that are not security supported
>> >> either.
>> >
>> > this is now the 2nd mail within 24h were you claim this *wrongly*.
>> >
>> > backports are (supposed to be) getting security support. if you dont do
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Michael Meskes writes:
[...]
> Maybe you answered your question yourself. How about we tie our
> security support to upstream's? Instead of fixing and backporting
> ourselves we promise our users that this section of the archive will
> get upstream's latest fixes even if
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On Tue, 20 Feb. 2018, 09:44 Vincent Bernat, wrote:
> ❦ 19 février 2018 22:33 GMT, Holger Levsen :
>
> >> a bit like backports that are not security supported
> >> either.
> >
> > this is now the 2nd mail within 24h were you claim this *wrongly*.
> >
>
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❦ 19 février 2018 22:33 GMT, Holger Levsen :
>> a bit like backports that are not security supported
>> either.
>
> this is now the 2nd mail within 24h were you claim this *wrongly*.
>
> backports are (supposed to be) getting security support. if you dont do
> this for
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On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 08:44:58PM +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> a bit like backports that are not security supported
> either.
this is now the 2nd mail within 24h were you claim this *wrongly*.
backports are (supposed to be) getting security support. if you dont do
this for your backports, you
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On 2018-02-19 at 16:03, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 03:52:30PM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 10:16:56PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>>> Debian already does "security by upstream releases" for Firefox,
>>> and this clearly shows why this is
On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 03:52:30PM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 10:16:56PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 08:40:12PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
> > >...
> > > > An example what "no security support" means in practice:
> > >
> > > I don't
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On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 09:42:28PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
> > > And why wouldn't we offer said upstream version instead of the
> > > unsupported older one?
> >
> > In some cases this might require changing literally thousands of
> > packages in stable.
> >
> > Imagine said upstream
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On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 09:42:28PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
>
> Right, and that's why we were talking about stuff like flatpak that
> bring the application with its dependencies, more or less like a
> container.
>
Which happens to bring with an entirely different set of problems. That
said,
On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 10:16:56PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 08:40:12PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
> >...
> > > An example what "no security support" means in practice:
> >
> > I don't think anyone suggest "no security", but something like
> > "security by upstream
> > And why wouldn't we offer said upstream version instead of the
> > unsupported older one?
>
> In some cases this might require changing literally thousands of
> packages in stable.
>
> Imagine said upstream version requires the latest Node.js.
>
> Various other packages in stable won't
On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 08:44:58PM +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
>...
> Or we could put those software in a special repository (called "unsupported")
>...
What about calling it "nsa-enablement"?
Cause that's what it is.
But to be fair, no longer installing packages without security support
in
On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 08:40:12PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
>...
> > An example what "no security support" means in practice:
>
> I don't think anyone suggest "no security", but something like
> "security by upstream releases".
How can you guarantee that to our users for buster until
On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 08:35:29PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
> > What is the user supposed to do when Debian announces that some
> > software essential for that user is no longer supported in the
> > stable release the user is using?
>
> Again, where does this differ from the user realizing
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❦ 19 février 2018 20:36 +0200, Adrian Bunk :
>> Debian is not only about security support. We provide packages without
>> security support. We also have backports that come without security
>> support either. This is still better than installing random packages
>> made by
> The software might integrate properly into Debian - and allow
> everyone
> on the internet to take control of your computer.
Which is of course independent of the way you install the software.
> An example what "no security support" means in practice:
I don't think anyone suggest "no
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> What is the user supposed to do when Debian announces that some
> software essential for that user is no longer supported in the
> stable release the user is using?
Again, where does this differ from the user realizing their own self-
baked installation cannot be upgraded anymore?
> At that
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> > Let's agree to disagree. I find it perfectly fine if we told people
> > up
> > front that we support it as long as upstream has a version that
> > works
> > with the stable base. They are still better or at least not worse
> > of
> > with that than with a self-installed one.
>
> Why? With the
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On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 09:18:13AM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 2018-02-18 22:53, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > In the year 2018, any kind of "properly maintain" includes security
> > support.
> >
> > Please elaborate how Debian can provide security support for packages
> > like gitlab and all their
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