Hi,
On 6/30/23 02:32, Helmut Grohne wrote:
If the dpkg maintainer were to merge aliasing support, I haven't seen
anyone objecting strong enough to try and override that maintainer
action for example.
Correct. The proponents of the "work around dpkg" approach quite often
insinuate that it wou
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Russ Allbery wrote:
> This is more of a high-level design intuition that stems from some basic
> architectural principles, such as "dpkg should be the authority for what
> Debian installs on the file system so that it can ensure global
> consistency."
>
> But to give you a concrete answer, here ar
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 3:55:11 PM EDT Matthew Vernon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 13/11/2021 11:41, Matthew Vernon wrote:
> > TL;DR> pcre3 is obsolete and upstream don't want to fix it any more. I
> > propose a MBF to track our progress in getting rid of it for Bookworm
>
> Bookworm is now out; I will
Helmut Grohne writes:
> To me, this leaves more question marks than earlier. What applications
> of aliasing do you envision that would benefit here? Anything concrete?
So, I do want to stay focused on Sam's point, which is that we should
avoid this specific argument by noting that we're not goi
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On 2023-06-29 20:55 +0100, Matthew Vernon wrote:
> On 13/11/2021 11:41, Matthew Vernon wrote:
>
>> TL;DR> pcre3 is obsolete and upstream don't want to fix it any
>> more. I propose a MBF to track our progress in getting rid of it for
>> Bookworm
>
> Bookworm is now out; I will shortly be increasin
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 13:34, Helmut Grohne wrote:
>
> Hi Luca,
>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 12:49:16PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > Essentially, this boils down to risks vs benefits. The risk of going
> > 3c is that every single Debian installation in existence breaks in
> > some interesting wa
Hi,
On 13/11/2021 11:41, Matthew Vernon wrote:
TL;DR> pcre3 is obsolete and upstream don't want to fix it any more. I
propose a MBF to track our progress in getting rid of it for Bookworm
Bookworm is now out; I will shortly be increasing the severity of the
outstanding bugs to RC, with the i
Hi Russ,
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 11:51:57AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I think I fall into the category that Sam is thinking of. I don't agree
> that aliasing support in dpkg is useful only for this transition. I think
> there are other cases where two directories could end up being aliases fo
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On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 20:39, Simon McVittie wrote:
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 19:32:15 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> > I think
> > that we will have to touch debootstrap in any case. If you specify
> > --variant=buildd, you get an unmerged chroot even when you do it on
> > trixie or unstable.
> .
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 19:32:15 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> I think
> that we will have to touch debootstrap in any case. If you specify
> --variant=buildd, you get an unmerged chroot even when you do it on
> trixie or unstable.
...
> our buildds, which are still unmerged and get
> debootstrapped
Helmut Grohne writes:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 02:55:28PM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> I think you might get a more clear consensus if you phrase that in
>> terms of whether people are willing to wait for major changes in dpkg.
>> If the dpkg maintainer were to merge aliasing support, I haven't
Hi Sam,
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 02:55:28PM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote:
> I have read the mail, not the full updated DEP, so I cannot yet ack
> this.
Hmm. Do you intend to do that? If you are short on time, I think the
problem section is more important than the mitigation section.
> Helmut> Whe
On 2023-06-28 Helmut Grohne wrote:
> The category of generic changes includes
> imposing an ordering on initial unpacks (e.g. base-files first).
Hello,
I have not dug deeply into this but in the back of my mind a voice is
vaguely remebering that we already had multiple times wished we had this
i
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Hi,
On 6/29/23 04:49, Helmut Grohne wrote:
* Package A 1.0-1 is installed providing file F.
* File F is moved to package B as of package A 1.0-3.
* User installs package B, which replaces the file in package A.
* User uninstalls package B.
F is now gone, even though it's supposed to be still
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 13:34, Helmut Grohne wrote:
>
> Hi Bas,
>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 08:19:51AM +0200, Sebastiaan Couwenberg wrote:
> > On 6/28/23 21:49, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> > > Debian GIS Project
> > > postgis
> > > qgis
> >
> > Why is postgis on this list?
> >
> > $ grep -c Re
On 2023-06-29 12:53 +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote:
> Choosing #3c gets us more than just a simple and clean design. Encoding the
> information of how a chroot should look like in the packages instead of the
> bootstrapping tool allows creating chroots for Debian unstable all the way
On 6/29/23 12:32, Helmut Grohne wrote:
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 08:19:51AM +0200, Sebastiaan Couwenberg wrote:
On 6/28/23 21:49, Helmut Grohne wrote:
Debian GIS Project
postgis
qgis
Why is postgis on this list?
$ grep -c Replaces debian/control*
debian/control:0
debian/contro
Hi Luca,
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 12:49:16PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> Essentially, this boils down to risks vs benefits. The risk of going
> 3c is that every single Debian installation in existence breaks in
> some interesting ways, as fixing the bootstrapping corner case is
> delegated to the
Hi Bas,
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 08:19:51AM +0200, Sebastiaan Couwenberg wrote:
> On 6/28/23 21:49, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> > Debian GIS Project
> > postgis
> > qgis
>
> Why is postgis on this list?
>
> $ grep -c Replaces debian/control*
> debian/control:0
> debian/control.in:0
Thanks
Hi Luca,
* Luca Boccassi [2023-06-29 12:49]:
The sole benefit is that one of the two bootstrapping tools in
widespread use keeps its internal code a bit 'cleaner' from the
point of view of some technically unnecessary and self-imposed
design constraints (yes there's 2 more tools as pointed out
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 11:53, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> mmdebstrap author here. This is the other bootstrapping tool which is
> currently
> sitting at ~17% of the popcon value of debootstrap.
>
> Quoting Helmut Grohne (2023-06-28 21:37:44)
> > Once that is settled, the n
Hi,
mmdebstrap author here. This is the other bootstrapping tool which is currently
sitting at ~17% of the popcon value of debootstrap.
Quoting Helmut Grohne (2023-06-28 21:37:44)
> Once that is settled, the next big question is how to handle bootstrapping.
> We had a number of people arguing in
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