Is comma operator defined by POSIX and supported by dash?

2020-03-21 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Hello, According to [Bashism Wiki](https://mywiki.wooledge.org/Bashism): The comma operator is widely supported by almost everything except dash and yash -- even posh and Busybox. In ksh93 however, it conflicts with the decimal radix in locales where it's used in floating points instead of perio

Re: Re: Re: OpenLiteSpeed Build Script Violating Debian Upstream Guide

2020-03-07 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Packages must be self-contained, using only their contents and the Debian repo during the build process. There are multiple technical and non-technical reasons for this requirement, including knowing that the package is DFSG-compliant and being able to always rebuild the package. But I found that

Re: Re: OpenLiteSpeed Build Script Violating Debian Upstream Guide

2020-03-06 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
No. And downloading stuff during the build process is strictly prohibited, not just discouraged. Why did you say that? Why Debian prohibit downloading stuffs (including git clone repository) during build process? -- An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara

OpenLiteSpeed Build Script Violating Debian Upstream Guide

2020-03-06 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Hello, In Debian Upstream guide (https://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamGuide): You should never assume that Internet access is available during building. Debian guarantees that every binary package can be built from the available source packages for licensing and security reasons. Do not assume yo

Generating man Pages by help2man can be Problematic when Cross-Compiling, why?

2019-09-03 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Hello, In UpstreamGuide on wiki.d.o, it stated in Manual Page section that: For executable programs that take arguments, please consider writing a manual page, rather than expecting users to pass --help or similar. Note that generating the man page from --help output (with a tool such as help2ma

Re: Notes on packaging PCYNLITX

2019-08-02 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
12.07.19 um 08:52 schrieb Bagas Sanjaya: Hello, I've filed RFP for PCYNLITX sometimes ago [1]: In PCYNLITX download page [2], it can be installed by using installation script. However, after examining install script, I noticed following: - PCYNLITX doesn't employ version numberi

Packaging Games with In-App Purchases

2019-07-13 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Hello, Let's imagine that I will package a city-building game titled makecity. The game is licensed under GPL(v3), but it has virtual currency which can be purchased by real money, that is the currency is "premium currency" (which is hard or impossible to get freely except by purchasing). Howev

Notes on packaging PCYNLITX

2019-07-12 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Hello, I've filed RFP for PCYNLITX sometimes ago [1]: In PCYNLITX download page [2], it can be installed by using installation script. However, after examining install script, I noticed following: - PCYNLITX doesn't employ version numbering like any other project/packages. It would be difficul

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

2019-06-26 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
On 26/06/19 23.09, Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov wrote: ГI'd say that we should never be touching anything like this. вт, 25 июн. 2019 г., 7:57 Bagas Sanjaya <mailto:bagasdo...@gmail.com>>: In order to inform to users, especially parents, about potentially objectionable con

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

2019-06-26 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
On 25/06/19 20.19, Matthias Klumpp wrote: Am Di., 25. Juni 2019 um 11:51 Uhr schrieb Bagas Sanjaya : Simon McVittie: Appstream metadata, which is canonically provided by upstreams and is distro- and package-type-agnostic (available in at least apt and Flatpak), has this as an optional field

Re: Re: Content Rating System in Debian

2019-06-25 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Emmanuel Arias: IMO this idea represent a big work. And if you want to involved upstream, maybe will be a problem. Some upstream, could not be interest on participate because could be a "extra" work. But if we implement a content rating system, the freedom could be affected because the opinion

Re: Re: Re: Content Rating System in Debian

2019-06-25 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Simon McVittie: Appstream metadata, which is canonically provided by upstreams and is distro- and package-type-agnostic (available in at least apt and Flatpak), has this as an optional field for self-rating: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/chap-Metadata.html#tag-content_ratin

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

2019-06-25 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
On 25/06/19 14.31, Philip Hands wrote: Bagas Sanjaya writes: Russ Allbery: It sounds like a whole ton of work to get a useful amount of coverage (not to mention bothering upstreams with questionnaires that I suspect many of them would find irritating -- I certainly would with my upstream hat

Re: getting rid of "testing"

2019-06-24 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
what do people think about getting rid of current suite names ("stable", "testing", "unstable") for most purposes? We already recommend using codenames instead as those don't change their meaning when a new release happens. Hi Ansgar, Regarding suite names (stable, testing, and unstable), ther

Re: Re: Content Rating System in Debian

2019-06-24 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Russ Allbery: It sounds like a whole ton of work to get a useful amount of coverage (not to mention bothering upstreams with questionnaires that I suspect many of them would find irritating -- I certainly would with my upstream hat on), and I'm not clear on the benefit. Do you have some reason t

Content Rating System in Debian

2019-06-24 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Hello Debian Developers, Debian provides more than 51000 packages. From those packages, some are appropriate for every ages, and some others are only for specific age groups for some reasons. In order to inform to users, especially parents, about potentially objectionable content in Debian pac

Re: Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-22 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
This applies to any program which downloads ads from the network at runtime. Serious problems with this: * We don't know what ads might be displayed and whether we would think them inappropriate, offensive, legally risky, or whatever. * Downloading ads at runtime is a security risk: it

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
On 20/06/19 20.11, W. Martin Borgert wrote: Quoting Bagas Sanjaya : Such ads is displayed only when users have Internet connection, and there is no way to patch ZZZ in order to remove ads (or we have to buy "pro" version which doesn't contain ads and adds more features). S

Re: Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-20 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
On 20/06/19 15.49, W. Martin Borgert wrote: Quoting Bagas Sanjaya : Suppose that an upstream has released a program which its license conforms to DFSG (named ZZZ), but when I test it, ads placed by the upstream appear (such as pop up ads). Since ads can affect user experience of ZZZ, but at

Programs contain ads - acceptable for packaging for Debian?

2019-06-19 Thread Bagas Sanjaya
Hello Debian Developers, Suppose that an upstream has released a program which its license conforms to DFSG (named ZZZ), but when I test it, ads placed by the upstream appear (such as pop up ads). Since ads can affect user experience of ZZZ, but at the same time the upstream get paid by ad ne