Re: Ubuntu and its "appropriation" of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 12:25:28AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.05.03.0006 +0200]: > > Another option would be to leave the source package maintainer the > > same (to retain proper credit, etc.), but override the binary > > package maintainer

Re: Ubuntu and its "appropriation" of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 03:06:10PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 08:46:44PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > Every Debian derivative I have seen does this the same way. There is some > > > inaccuracy in either case, but I think this is the le

Re: Ubuntu and its "appropriation" of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 10:38:01PM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: > Hi Matt! > > On Sun, 01 May 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 09:36:57PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > > > > Actually, I don't think that the packages.*-code is part of the problem. > > > Ubuntu treats th

Re: upload problems, public key not found

2005-04-22 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 09:30:39PM +0200, Juergen Strobel wrote: > Almost noone uses kernel-patch-cryptoloop, so I let things slide. AFAIK, > sarge is to use a 2.6.x kernel, so this package is mostly useless. > However, a few people expressed interest recently, and added to the old > bug report #25

Re: duplicate functionality in packages [was: lintian & linda]

2005-04-10 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Apr 10, 2005 at 11:33:24PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: [mjp: I sure didn't write this, but that's how it's been attributed...] > > Whenever someone submits an ITP for the software A, whose functionality > > is already provided in Debian by B, t

Re: Intersection of installed packages with orphaned packages

2005-04-08 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 02:45:19AM -0700, Stephen Birch wrote: > Matthew Palmer([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-04-08 19:14: > > You'd be wanting wnpp-check, in the devscripts package. Check out rc-check > > while you're at it. Both are cronable. > > ahh ... devscripts. I

Re: Intersection of installed packages with orphaned packages

2005-04-08 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 02:12:13AM -0700, Stephen Birch wrote: > I am interested in the intersection of packages installed on my > machines with the list of orphaned packages. This is to be sure > a program in use isn't orphaned without me becoming aware of it. > Ideally the program would be run fr

Re: Bug#302283: ITP: sleepshell -- Sleep dummy shell

2005-03-30 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 10:19:12PM -0300, Leonardo Serra wrote: > You can use it to create SSH accounts for users who will > only use them for SSH-tunneling; to create an encrypted > tunnel to your servers. Or you can use the -N option to OpenSSH. - Matt signature.asc Description: Digital sign

Re: Add a project to debian

2005-03-30 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 02:30:26PM +, Alex Papadopoulos wrote: > Ok thanks for the quick reply. Another question though that I forgot > before, if the sponsor uploads the packages is he automatically the > maintainer of the package (because if this is the case, then it means that > sponsorin

Re: Add a project to debian

2005-03-30 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 02:18:28PM +, Alex Papadopoulos wrote: > After having read the documentations I understood that I needed to apply as > a new maintainer (with the appropriate identification process, needing an > "advocate" Debian developper) and then find a sponsor that would accept >

Re: If Debian's too radical for you... [was: NEW handling: About rejects, and kernels]

2005-03-24 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 08:49:39AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:13:05 +1100, Matthew Palmer > >"Some would say that this has already happened". Not a fork, per se, but > >Ubuntu's licencing policy (and the general level-headedness of the p

Re: If Debian's too radical for you... [was: NEW handling: About rejects, and kernels]

2005-03-23 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 10:29:35AM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Thursday 24 March 2005 03:40, Theodore Ts'o <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If the free software fanatics succeed in kicking non-free from being > > supported by Debian assets, such that the FSF documentation were no > > longer avai

Re: Documentation is/is not software [was: NEW handling: About rejects, and kernels]

2005-03-22 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 12:32:30PM +, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 09:06:19AM -0300, Humberto Massa wrote: > > And I believe that the Vancouver proposal, if implemented as intended up > > to now, will not only affect what Debian really *is*, but in some ways > > will *destroy

Re: my thoughts on the Vancouver Prospectus

2005-03-20 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 10:26:44PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 09:07:52AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 02:57:23AM +0100, Peter 'p2' De Schrijver wrote: > > > This is obviously unacceptable. Why would a small number of people be > > > allowed to veto

Re: idea for lintian/linda check (Re: NEW handling ...)

2005-03-17 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 11:14:05PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > On Thursday 17 March 2005 23:06, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:15:50PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > To know in how many packages to split or not to split the packages ? > > >

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:44:26PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > On Thursday 17 March 2005 22:09, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > On 10231 March 1977, David Schmitt wrote: > > >> > Collecting tidbits of > > >> > information concerning the various packages rotting in NEW and making > > >> > that informatio

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:15:50PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 07:57:11PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > On 10231 March 1977, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > >> - check that the package names are sane, don't conflict, and > > >> aren't gratuitiously many (a -doc package for 1

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 06:44:38PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 06:43:52PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > Sven Luther: > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 04:36:25PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > > > - check that the package names are sane, don't conflict, and > > > > ar

Re: How to join a team

2005-03-17 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 09:52:35AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > 3) Only some people can install the patches. [...] > (3) raises the question: who chooses who can install the patches directly > and who cannot? The people who run the show, just like any Free Software project. You earn the tr

Re: *seconded* Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-16 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 10:44:15AM -0500, Kyle McMartin wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 03:06:19PM +, Rob Taylor wrote: > > Yes, that makes total sense. Would there likely be major objections to > > this? > > > > Even less (likely zero) testing of packages by the maintainer before they > uplo

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-16 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 04:36:25PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, Sven Luther wrote: > > It would be nice to have the opinion of the ftp-masters on this, if this > > seems > > credible, and if there are design issues with it. > > A checklist of what NEW processing actually entails would be

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-16 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 03:29:28PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Ideally we would see forming a little NEW-reviewing comittee which would > facilitate the job of the ftp-masters. This is also in accordance of the > small-team proposal in debian. > > It would be nice to have the opinion of the ftp-ma

Re: Bits from the CD team, 2005-03-16

2005-03-15 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 08:13:25AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 01:27:37AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Thus, for sarge, we plan to offer officially: > > > > * ISO images for business card and netinst CDs (for all architectures) > > * ISO images for normal install CDs

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 07:59:00PM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 06:31:03PM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > > > > If his job is keeping him from working on Debian, he should step down > > > from his post. > > My job is keeping me from working on Debian as much as I'd li

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:04:09AM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> How could we know ? We know nothing about Ubuntu, nothing about > >> Canonical, nothing about the goals, nothing about how everything was > >> done to begin with, nothing about who works

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:32:16AM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > | How could we know ? We know nothing about Ubuntu, nothing about > > | Canonical, nothing about the goals, nothing about how every

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:05:20PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > In the contrary I assume that currently the security mechanism for > alls archs is hindered by the fact that the slowest arch sets the pace. > There has been a XSF-SVN commit for the latest libxpm vulnerability some > days ago, w

Re: Another load of typos

2005-03-14 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 12:00:30AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Florian Zumbiehl wrote: > > - Might it be reasonable to not check for duplicates before sending the > > reports? I'm using a relatively recent Packages file from unstable - > > and checking whether it is a duplicate probably is much e

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 06:53:14PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:46:51AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 04:27:50PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > > If I had to think of a rationale for it, the only one I could think of &

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 02:14:52PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > "Brian M. Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > This is a problem. No one will fix the portability bugs that plague, for > > example, sparc (memory alignment SIGBUS) without them being severity > > serious. > > Can the po

Re: Call for help / release criteria (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-14 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 08:49:31PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > David Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > - First of all, we should take the details as a starting point for > >> > discussion, not as a decision that has made. Neverthe

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 02:44:52PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Notice that one of the main arch having problem some time back was arm, and > the buildd where maintained by who ? elmo. Which, considering he was one of the people who signed off on the proposal, makes me think that the problem can't

Re: Supporting tier-2 (was Re: COUNT(buildd) IN (2,3))

2005-03-14 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:26:58PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:18:54 -0500, David Nusinow > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 05:57:05PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >> Reasonable security support requires some degree of cooperation with the > >> current

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 04:27:50PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > especially given the requirement that you need <= 2 buildds. > > I consider that requirement to be not warranted, and indeed unjustified. > > If I had to think of a rationale for it, the only one

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 03:15:34PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * Thiemo Seufer > > | For anyone who uses Debian as base of a commercial solution it is a > | requirement. Grabing some random unstable snapshot is a non-starter. > > You do realise this is exactly what Ubuntu is doing? (Grab ?r

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 02:24:47PM +0100, Aur?lien Jarno wrote: > Hamish Moffatt a ?crit : > >I see it as more a practical consideration. If you can't buy the > >hardware new then you will have trouble keeping up with a growing unstable, > >especially given the requirement that you need <= 2 buildd

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:47:08AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 02:41:35PM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote: > > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 01:33:16PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > >> For anyone who uses Debian as base of a commerc

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:19:32PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: > I hereby ask the people involved in this proposal to step down > immediately from their positions in the Project. You've violated a > couple of rules already, and you've violated the spirit of this > Project. You're going to purge a

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-13 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 11:17:52PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Matthew Palmer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050312 05:25]: > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 07:14:35PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > The queue ordering is entirely automatic, and AIUI the queue(s) is (ar

Re: Restrictive SMTP server

2005-03-13 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 09:58:49AM +0100, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote: > On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 04:18:06PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote: > > I'm with a problem about sending emails @debian.org. My ESP (email > > service provider) has a restrictive rule about sending emails with a > > >From header

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 04:24:35PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Practically, buildd admins can notice a longer-than-usual queue and throw > > hardware at the problem, and that seems to work well enough, and we coul

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 03:12:12PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 03:01:28PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Remember that the buildd queue is not FIFO at all. The queue has a > > > completly static order. Any c

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-11 Thread Matthew Palmer
[Probably going a bit off track for -release; MFT to -devel] On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 07:14:35PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > The queue ordering is entirely automatic, and AIUI the queue(s) is (are) > sorted by: > > - target suite > - package priority > - package section > - package

Bug#299146: RFA: phpwiki: An informal collaborative website manager

2005-03-11 Thread Matthew Palmer
Package: wnpp,phpwiki Version: 1.3.7-3 Severity: wishlist I no longer use PHPWiki myself, and don't have time to do the necessary work to keep PHPWiki as sharp as it needs to be. Personally, I don't think it's suitable for release as-is, so anyone who wants to see PHPWiki in Sarge should probably

Re: Bug #298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-06 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 02:38:35AM -0600, Nick Welch wrote: > > This is why random Joe off the street should not be writing licences. > > >From what I can gather, the license was developed through discussion on > OSI's mailing list, and in the end it was OSI who approved it. Quite > different fro

Re: Bug #298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
[no cc thanks] On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 12:16:03AM -0600, Nick Welch wrote: > > Thanks for pointing this out. Now we have a concrete example of just > > how screwed up OSI is. That licence does not grant any permission to > > modify, redistribute, or otherwise deal in the work in a Free manner. >

Re: Bug #298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 07:59:11AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > > That licence does not grant any permission to modify, > > redistribute, or otherwise deal in the work in a Free manner. For it to be > > judged as satisfying the Open Source Definition

Re: Re: Bug #298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 10:38:49PM -0600, Nick Welch wrote: > (not sure if i can post to this list, but what the hey) > > > That's not a free license. In fact, it's about as non-free as you can > > get, since it's essentially "all rights reserved"; there's no > > permission to modify or redistribu

Re: Bug#298195: ITP: tinywm -- Ridiculously tiny window manager

2005-03-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 09:07:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 01:59 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le dimanche 06 mars 2005 ? 01:17 +0900, Nobuhiro Iwamatsu a ?crit : > > > TinyWM is a ridiculously tiny window manager implemented in nearly as > > > few lines of C as pos

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-22 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 10:42:15AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > >Dirk Eddelbuettel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> - scarce resource such as release managers, ftp admins, ... > >> if we have to look after arches that are *not really used*. > > > >All of whom have sai

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-21 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 04:39:22AM +, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > Matthew Palmer debian.org> writes: > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 03:15:58AM +, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > > > undisputed: essentially all users are on i386 clearly dominating all > > > other &g

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-21 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 03:15:58AM +, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > undisputed: essentially all users are on i386 clearly dominating all other > arches, with a fraction of users in maybe two, three, four other arches --- > and comparitively nobody in the other fringe arches we keep around for n

Re: Let's remove mips, mipsel, s390, ... (Was: [Fwd: Re: GTK+2.0 2.6.2-3 and buildds running out of space])

2005-02-20 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 10:57:47PM +, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > Clint Byrum spamaps.org> writes: > > Now, can someone please tell me how messages like the one below, and > > others, aren't indicative that debian should drop s390, mipsel, and > > maybe hppa from the list of architectures? How

Re: apt-src cannot build

2005-02-17 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 04:26:12PM +0200, Marcus Sundman wrote: > On Thursday 17 February 2005 21:32, Michael Koch wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 03:09:41PM +0200, Marcus Sundman wrote: > > > On Thursday 17 February 2005 13:18, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 06:

Re: Bug#295328: general: Help messages to stderr should be banned

2005-02-15 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 03:06:19PM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 07:38:08AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > Francesco P. Lovergine writes: > > > It depends on programs, sometimes the same usage function is used for > > > either --help or invalid options. > > > > Sure

Re: Bug#295328: general: Help messages to stderr should be banned

2005-02-15 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 10:19:12AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 15, Justin Pryzby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I suppose I will start filing minor bugs against packages that do > > this. I'd like to hear other people's opinions, though. (It occurs > > to me that help output to stderr

Re: mkchroot scripts

2005-02-04 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 09:28:19AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 10:58:55PM +0300, Sergei I. Kononov wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 03 at 20:23:20 (+0100), Christoph Berg wrote: > > > > > What's the difference to makejail and debootstrap? > > > > 1. Created chroot enviroment us

Re: Bug#293167: ITP: request-tracker3.4 -- Extensible trouble-ticket tracking system

2005-02-03 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 10:04:33AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Matthew Palmer: > > >> As a user, I think this is very convenient. The ability to switch > >> back to a known-to-work version by tweaking a few configuration files > >> is reassuring, even

Re: Bug#293167: ITP: request-tracker3.4 -- Extensible trouble-ticket tracking system

2005-02-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 07:04:40PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 02-Feb-05, 18:31 (CST), Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > So archive bloat is not a problem for you, and "apt-get dist-upgrade" not > > actually providing upgrades to

Re: Bug#293167: ITP: request-tracker3.4 -- Extensible trouble-ticket tracking system

2005-02-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 02:38:10PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Matthew Palmer: > > > On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 06:27:30PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > >> * Lars Wirzenius: > >> > >> > ti, 2005-02-01 kello 15:25 +, Stephen Quinney kirjoitti: >

Re: Bug#293167: ITP: request-tracker3.4 -- Extensible trouble-ticket tracking system

2005-02-01 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 06:27:30PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Lars Wirzenius: > > > ti, 2005-02-01 kello 15:25 +, Stephen Quinney kirjoitti: > >> This is the 3.4 series of RT, it can be installed alongside the 3.0 > >> and 3.2 series without any problems. This release is a big > >> im

Re: Bug#293167: ITP: request-tracker3.4 -- Extensible trouble-ticket tracking system

2005-02-01 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 04:46:51PM +, Stephen Quinney wrote: > On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 06:17:50PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > ti, 2005-02-01 kello 15:25 +, Stephen Quinney kirjoitti: > > > This is the 3.4 series of RT, it can be installed alongside the 3.0 > > > and 3.2 series withou

Re: Bug#292759: shell script sniplets in /usr/bin?

2005-01-29 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 12:28:53AM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > > "Because I don't wanna play by the rules!" is not a rationale. > > You are mistaken. I want to play by the rules, but the rules say > executabl

Re: shell script sniplets in /usr/bin?

2005-01-29 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 05:40:05PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Jochen Voss wrote: > > > [...] > > My question: does anybody have further references for the question > > whether it is ok or maybe even preferable to install non-programs in > > /usr/bin? > > You forgot to quot

Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?

2005-01-25 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 08:15:29PM +0100, Wim De Smet wrote: > And splitting does indeed > change something. If his kids are not root they cannot install the > "offensive" part. Absolutely false. But thanks for playing. - Matt signature.asc Descrip

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-24 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 08:15:52AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:01:46 -0600, Steve Greenland > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On 24-Jan-05, 03:45 (CST), Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Last time I looked, invoke-rc.d was not yet a requirement to be used > >> by packa

Re: apply to NM? ha!

2005-01-24 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 07:59:59PM -0500, SR, ESC wrote: > Le lun 2005-01-24 a 19:26:34 -0500, Helen Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a dit: > > > > I do not believe that being thick-skinned enough to cope with people who > > are very agressive or insulting should be a requirement for involvement >

Re: Trying to come back...

2005-01-23 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 02:40:43PM -0300, Nicol?s Lichtmaier wrote: > I've checked debian-keyring's changelog and I seem to have been marked > as "emeritus": > > ~ Emeritus \E*mer"i*tus\, n.; pl. {Emeriti}. [L.] > ~ A veteran who has honorably completed his service. > > I certainly appreciat

Re: Do all frontends use the dpkg binary?

2005-01-23 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 05:21:02AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > Also, is there a way to avoid a dpkg upgrade overwriting /usr/bin/dpkg > and (IIRC) divert /usr/bin/dpkg -> /usr/bin/dpkg.real, so that I dont > have to remember to redo this step? man dpkg-divert It rocks. Hard. - Matt signature.a

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
[No Cc please, as per list policy] On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:16:43AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Le Mer 12 Janvier 2005 01:31, Matthew Palmer a ?crit : > > So you patch libfile2.php to require_once 'mylib/libfile1.php' > > instead of just 'libfile1.php'. &g

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:13:05AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Le Mer 12 Janvier 2005 01:31, Matthew Palmer a ?crit : > > [No Cc needed, as per list policy] > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:47:42PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > > it's _quite_

Re: Manpages licensed under GFDL without the license text included

2005-01-11 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 03:14:47PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: > On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:00:02PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > > > Right. And when the .deb gets distributed on its own? > > > > Then whoever does the distributing should ensure that they compl

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-11 Thread Matthew Palmer
[No Cc needed, as per list policy] On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:47:42PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > it's _quite_ true that you don't need to play with include_path. > > your library has to know it's installed > > into /usr/share/php/ and either : > > * use some __FILE__ magic in its requires/

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-11 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:04:55PM +0100, Kees Leune wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:20:03 +0100, Pierre Habouzit > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > IMHO, web apps should be installed in /usr/share/*appname*/ > > Agree; it seems that most of the responses boil down to that. The next > question then

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-11 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 09:20:03PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > as a php web app packager, I should say that the policy is a real mess, > since there is no policy (and I really hope to become a DD soon, in > order to work on one with other interested people). There's no need to be wearing you

Re: Manpages licensed under GFDL without the license text included

2005-01-11 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:45:21PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 10:57:56PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:25:37 +1300 Nick Phillips wrote: > > > > > The fact that we have conveniently > > > ignored this problem when dealing with the GPL and BSD lic

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-17 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 10:45:07AM +0100, Peter Van Eynde wrote: > Matthew Palmer wrote: > >>Should I go on? > > > > > >No, I think you've adequately demonstrated that you don't have the foggiest > >idea what you're talking about. > >

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-17 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 09:53:51AM +0100, Peter Van Eynde wrote: > I'm stunned. So anything in a Debian package is software. With alien I can > convert a tar.gz into a debian package, so all tar files are software. With > tar I can create a tar.gz from any file, so all electronic data is software

Re: On the freeness of a BLOB-containing driver

2004-12-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 02:30:51PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Op za, 11-12-2004 te 20:12 -0500, schreef Glenn Maynard: > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 04:43:48PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > What about the rest of the driver? I think that if you remove the BLOB, > > > it's Free Software. It t

Re: On the freeness of a BLOB-containing driver

2004-12-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 11:39:30PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 04:43:48PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: > [..] > > There are a number of reasons that a device's firmware won't generally > > be opened to us: > > > > 1. The manufacturer's concerns regarding the proprietary n

Re: add Date: field to Packages files

2004-12-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 06:06:59PM -0500, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Dan Jacobson said: > > Off line with just the Packages file, you can't tell a dusty 1997 > > package from an up to the minute state of the art package. > > You have the changelogs. Use them. You must hav

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-10 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 01:20:32PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Dec 09, Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The whole system has to be DFSG-free. Debian won't compromise on that. > Which DFSG? The original one or the "clarified" one? Give it up, Marco. Your little tantrums aren't cute.

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-09 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 02:33:30PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Why don't standard ABIs suffice? Not that I'm necessarily arguing in favour of a set of common packages, but defining an ABI is not a sufficient condition to ensure compatibility. Consider a function int s(int, int) -- you can have tw

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-06 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 04:13:08PM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote: > On 06/12/2004 Steve Langasek wrote: > > Publishing houses never let writers edit their own work -- at least until > > they're famous and have mindless followers who'll buy and read any formulaic > > tripe they slap together. I don't t

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 09:53:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Also, to the best my knowledge the kernel doesn't contain any pictures > > > of naked people either. I might be mistaken. > > >

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 04:28:51PM +1100, Brian May wrote: > > "Manoj" == Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Manoj>Well, remember to exclude the Linux kernel, then. It > Manoj> is certainly not minor friendly. > > How many children look at the Linux kernel source cod

Re: Bug#283994: ITP: glastree -- builds live backup trees, with branches for each day

2004-12-03 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 07:17:45PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > Matthew Palmer wrote: > > >>The advantage of using glastree over pdumpfs is that it is implemented > >>in Perl rather than Ruby (this is in fact the reason that I encountered > >>it in the fir

Re: Bug#283994: ITP: glastree -- builds live backup trees, with branches for each day

2004-12-03 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 07:02:38PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:00:22 +1100, Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >3314kB, including pdumpfs itself. I'll donate a 32MB USB key to store it > >all on for anyone that is *truly* that star

Re: Bug#283994: ITP: glastree -- builds live backup trees, with branches for each day

2004-12-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 04:10:01AM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Meanwhile, what's > > the total installed space for glastree if you're not a Perl lover? > > Perl-base is 'Proirity: required'

Re: Bug#283994: ITP: glastree -- builds live backup trees, with branches for each day

2004-12-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 10:30:05PM -0500, Charles Fry wrote: > > > > Is there any benefit to using glastree over dirvish or pdumpfs? > > > > > > The advantage of using glastree over pdumpfs is that it is implemented > > > in Perl rather than Ruby (this is in fact the reason that I encountered >

Re: Bug#283994: ITP: glastree -- builds live backup trees, with branches for each day

2004-12-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 07:58:17PM -0500, Charles Fry wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:59:09PM -0500, Charles Fry wrote: > > > > In what ways is this package different to, say, dirvish, which I use > > > > in a manner which is, AFAICS, identical to the way this package > > > > operates? > > >

Re: Bug#283994: ITP: glastree -- builds live backup trees, with branches for each day

2004-12-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:59:09PM -0500, Charles Fry wrote: > > In what ways is this package different to, say, dirvish, which I use > > in a manner which is, AFAICS, identical to the way this package > > operates? > > glastree provides a subset of the functionality of dirvish. It is > actually m

Re: Bug#283994: ITP: glastree -- builds live backup trees, with branches for each day

2004-12-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 03:04:15PM -0500, Charles Fry wrote: > The poor man's daily snapshot, glastree builds live backup trees, with > branches for each day. Users directly browse the past to recover older > documents or retrieve lost files. Hard links serve to compress out > unchanged files, whil

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor

2004-12-01 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 02:38:54AM +0100, Cesar Martinez Izquierdo wrote: > I can volunteer to provide some naked photos of myself, but I guess they will > be more suitable for section "fun" than section "erotic". There was discussion on IRC in the last few days about a "Men of Debian" calendar.

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-01 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 08:50:08PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Yes, hotbabe is sexist (at least in it's current incarnation - if it > included a male theme then it would only be sexually offensive to > some) Anyone who feels that hot-babe would become less sexually offensive because it included

Re: Bug#283751: ITP: fakepop -- fake pop3 server to warn users that only pop3-ssl is available

2004-12-01 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 05:17:33AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 11:04 +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > So, let me get this straight - fakepop will allow people to log in > > (using their username and password) in the clear and THEN tell them > > that they should have used POP o

Re: Bug#283751: ITP: fakepop -- fake pop3 server to warn users that only pop3-ssl is available

2004-12-01 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 12:12:12PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Steve McIntyre] > > So, let me get this straight - fakepop will allow people to log in > > (using their username and password) in the clear and THEN tell them > > that they should have used POP over SSL instead. Quite how is th

Re: Select which conffiles shall be raplaced an which not

2004-11-16 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 01:29:38PM +0100, Free Ekanayaka wrote: > When running apt-get dist-upgrade I'd like to be able to set a list of > packages whose confiles shall be replaced by the newer versions > supplied by the package (if any) , while other packages' confiles > should be keep

Re: Use CVS/Subversion/... as a fast way to update apt lists?

2004-11-11 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:31:18PM +0300, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > On the topic of all those talks about reducing network traffic caused by > apt-get update, without putting too high load into server (as rsync does). > > Can't CVS (or Subversion or other similar tool) solve this problem? > S

Re: Company launch with Linux system

2004-11-08 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 07:27:06PM +0200, Hartmut Rummel wrote: > This is cory yearwood from Exsis. Please can you remove the e-mail from your > website.. And yet the name in your From: line is Hartmut Rummel, and you're using a totally different e-mail address. Either way, I doubt that post

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