Re: Debian's problems, Debian's future

2002-04-12 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 02:28, Anthony Towns wrote: I think you'll find you're also unfairly weighting this against people who do daily updates. If you do an update once a month, it's not as much of a bother waiting a while to download the Packages files -- you're going to have to wait _much_

Re: Debian's problems, Debian's future

2002-04-12 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 04:35, Michael Bramer wrote: Scheme Disk space Bandwidth --- Checksums (bwidth optimal)26K 81K diffs (4 days)32K 331K

Re: Debian's problems, Debian's future

2002-04-12 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 09:46, Erich Schubert wrote: What diff options do you use? As the diffs are expected to be applied to the correct version, they probably shouldn't contain the old data, but the new data only. Good point. I used diff -ed, so I think this is not including unnecessary

Re: rsync and debian -- summary of issues

2002-04-12 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Thu, 2002-04-11 at 01:15, Martin Pool wrote: There seems to be a thread about rsync and Debian packages every couple of months. I've written up a document which tries to cover all of the questions and debates. It's pretty informal, but hopefully will be useful.

Re: Debian's problems, Debian's future

2002-04-12 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 00:14, Anthony Towns wrote: No, I'm not. I'm saying that the amount of time spent waiting for apt-get update needs to count every apt-get update you run, not just the first. So, if over a period of a week, I run it seven times, and you run it once, I wait seven times as

Re: rsync and debian -- summary of issues

2002-04-12 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 01:47, Martin Pool wrote: On 11 Apr 2002, Robert Tiberius Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, in section 3.15, you say, Fetching a series of deltas which update the same area is less efficient than calculating the deltas directly. This is true, but by my

Re: Debian's problems, Debian's future

2002-04-10 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 17:25, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: What you are suggesting is that the server store checksums for precalculated blocks on the server. This would be 4 bytes per 1k in the original file or so. The transaction proceeds as follows: 1. Client asks for checksum list off

Re: Rsyncable GZIP (was Re: Package metadata server)

2002-04-08 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 19:36, Adam Heath wrote: 54 days with of Packages(sid/main/i386) gives 900k of xdeltas. Thanks for the info. I think that keeping 54 days of diffs (or xdeltas) is unnecessary -- most of the benefit is accrued by keeping only 20 days or so. But I need real stats on

Re: Rsyncable GZIP (was Re: Package metadata server)

2002-04-07 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 11:16, Otto Wyss wrote: What amazes me is that nobody is able or willing to provide any figures. So I guess no provider of an rsync server is interested in this subject and therefore it can't be a big problem. Here are some experiments, and a mathematical analysis of