Re: dselect survey

2004-12-09 Thread Roger Lynn
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The current aptitude, by contrast, seems both powerful and elegant: it > rarely gets in my way, deals well with problem situations, and offers > powerful features should I want them (aptitude of years past could also > be kinda cranky though). The last time

Re: Possible mass bug filing: non-doc packages recommending doc packages

2009-05-10 Thread Roger Lynn
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 07:00:25PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 09:47:56PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > As a practical matter, downgrading these dependencies will cause > > aptitude and other package managers to believe that the documentation > > is unnecessary a

Re: Why do we still have this on the distribution?

2005-04-10 Thread Roger Lynn
Martin Schulze wrote: > FWIW: This would mean to remove all of Mozilla and friends, since they > don't receive any security support upstream, and neither the maintainer > or the security team are in a position to backport all fixes and correcte > all stuff in the older versions. (upstream does onl

Re: Linux / Debian / Ubuntu

2005-06-02 Thread Roger Lynn
On Tue, 31 May 2005 21:37:28 -0700, Stephen Birch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Darren Salt([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 21:49: > > For those who've missed the first three broadcasts today, there's one more > > at > > 01:05 GMT; also see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/1478157.stm>. > > Why

Re: switching from exim to postfix

2012-05-01 Thread Roger Lynn
On 01/05/12 15:10, Chris Knadle wrote: > I think the reason Exim does not do this protocol conversion is that from the > point of view of an MTA author, the point of an MTA is to transmit the body > of > the message without any modification to it once received, and body > modification would be

Re: switching from exim to postfix

2012-05-03 Thread Roger Lynn
On 02/05/12 02:00, brian m. carlson wrote: > On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 07:47:08PM +0100, Roger Lynn wrote: >> I have enabled accept_8bitmime in every exim I've installed for the last >> 10 years and no one has reported any problems. I think the risk of >> encountering

Re: Recommends for metapackages

2012-07-13 Thread Roger Lynn
[sorry for the lengthy quoting below] On 12/07/12 10:10, Gergely Nagy wrote: > Noel David Torres Taño writes: >> Not so minimal if you want your gnome set to be up to date, including new >> applications being installed. > > It is very minimal. 5 minutes of work. Been there, done that, posted the

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-13 Thread Roger Lynn
On 07/08/14 23:10, Jordi Mallach wrote: > Popularity: One of the metrics discussed by the tasksel change proponents > mentioned popcon numbers. 8 months after the desktop change, Xfce does not > seem > to have made a dent on install numbers. The Debian GNOME team doesn’t feel > popcon’s data

Re: PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-11 Thread Roger Lynn
On 11/09/14 14:50, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > I think it's not realistic to expect upstreams to support online updates > for every application. Once you have plugins or external data, it's hard > to keep working properly after an upgrade. Surely the solution to this is to restart the affected appli

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-12-01 Thread Roger Lynn
On 29/11/14 13:30, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 29 novembre 2014 12:41 GMT, Alastair McKinstry > : >> One concern I'd have is the lack of flexibility to produce a cut-down >> system. The option of "a dedicated init=/custom-program", but lack of >> an ntpd, for example, because ntp has been absorbe

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-31 Thread Roger Lynn
On 30/05/13 16:30, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > 2013/5/30 Marco d'Itri : >> The /etc/ /lib/ /usr/lib/ split with files overriding each other, >> invented because RPM systems do not prompt the user on package upgrades >> and Red Hat does not support upgrading to the next major release. > Well, that migh

Re: default MTA

2013-06-01 Thread Roger Lynn
On 31/05/13 07:50, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: > A utility to scan syslog and convey important information to the user > would be much more useful than configuring all mailers in Debian to read > root's local mail by default. I know how to redirect root's mail > elsewhere, thank you for not makin

Re: default MTA

2013-06-06 Thread Roger Lynn
On 06/06/13 14:00, Chris Knadle wrote: > On Wednesday, June 05, 2013 15:35:14, Marc Haber wrote: >> On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 19:53:59 -0400, Chris Knadle >> wrote: >> >Attempting to use an FQDN is also troublesome, because Exim tries to use >> >DNS to look up the FQDN, and falls back to using 'uname -n'

Re: x32 “half” arrived… now what?

2013-06-11 Thread Roger Lynn
On 06/06/13 21:10, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 09:58:00AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Be aware that x32 has sizeof(time_t) > sizeof(long), so you should expect >> SUBSTANTIAL porting of packages to be required. Particularly since that >> arrangement is explicitly unsupported b

Re: boot ordering and resolvconf

2013-07-06 Thread Roger Lynn
On 03/07/13 14:30, Ian Jackson wrote: > Ian Jackson writes ("Re: boot ordering and resolvconf"): >> 4. Therefore in most installations there should be a local >>proxy or cache. It should use DHCP-provided, PPP-provided or >>similar, as a forwarder. The local DNS provider addr

Re: let's split the systemd binary package [Was, Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME]

2013-10-24 Thread Roger Lynn
On 24/10/13 03:00, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 02:21:25AM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> 2013/10/24 Steve Langasek : >> > Well, that's one more reason the init system and the dbus services should >> > be >> > separated out in the packaging. >> Some of the services consume fun

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-31 Thread Roger Lynn
On 31/10/13 09:30, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Op 30-10-13 23:09, Steve McIntyre schreef: >> So... In that situation, would you care about having more than just a >> netinst available for initial booting? Beyond that, people can get on >> the network to a mirror, or to other machines hosting the DVD i

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Roger Lynn
On 08/08/12 12:30, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 08/08/2012 06:21 PM, David Given wrote: >> ifconfig (before this discussion I'd never even *heard* of ip) >> > This kind of remark make be say that probably, it'd be > nice to have ifconfig display a warning as this one: > > "ifconfig is deprecated,

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-19 Thread Roger Lynn
On 19/08/12 03:20, Charles Plessy wrote: > - PHP scripts can be executed by Apache httpd through libapache2-mod-php5 or >php5-cgi. Debian recommends libapache2-mod-php5, but there are still >thousands of installations wich report the use of php5-cgi according to the >Popularity Contes

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Lynn
On 05/09/12 18:10, W. Anderson wrote: > It is somewhat surprising and a little disappointing that Debian, or any > other GNU/Linux distribution would be making statements that, in effect, > give great public support to AMD in regard Linux, when the company has > for many years been decidedly ambiva

Re: status of eligibility of dug lists on lists.debian.org

2012-09-19 Thread Roger Lynn
On 19/09/12 13:50, anarcat wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> [x] E: Host lists on their own server in someones basement > > See that's exactly what I'm talking about - *I* can do this, I can host > lists in my "basement" (or my "freedombox", call it what you like), as > I am an experienced sysadmi

Re: Debian default desktop environment

2014-04-04 Thread Roger Lynn
On 04/04/14 00:50, Stephen Allen wrote: > On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:18:41AM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: >> I think Xfce is much better *default* desktop environment (DE) than Gnome. >> >> As KDE fan I do not like Gnome. Those who forget to choose DE in installer >> (just like I did more than on

Re: Having fun with the following C code (UB)

2014-04-15 Thread Roger Lynn
On 14/04/14 14:30, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2014-04-14 14:14:14 +0200, Raphael Geissert wrote: >> No, there is no optimisation in that case, so there is no warning. It only >> warns when it uses the knowledge that "(signed) integer overflow isn't >> possible" to optimise away some redundant co

Re: systemd-fsck?

2014-05-14 Thread Roger Lynn
On 13/05/14 20:30, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > In data martedì 13 maggio 2014 19:42:32, David Goodenough ha scritto: >> > service foo works across Linux distributions, with or without >> > systemd, and does the right thing. >> >> The big shame with service is that tab completion does not work proper

Re: Removing the manpage requirement for GUI programs?

2010-03-04 Thread Roger Lynn
On 04/03/10 20:00, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > Josselin Mouette writes: > > > Letting alone policy issues: what do you propose, *concretely* to > > > improve the situation? A man page containing a *brief* (one or two lines) description of what the program does and pointers to further more compre

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-18 Thread Roger Lynn
On 18/05/10 11:00, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > Not to speak about, that UPG is anyway a questionable abuse of the > user/group concept. > > Neither to speak about the fact, that in the 17 years debian exists > now,... no majority missed that "feature" (apparently). Debian has been using UPG

Re: APT do not work with Squid as a proxy because of pipelining default

2010-05-18 Thread Roger Lynn
On 18/05/10 03:10, Robert Collins wrote: > Given that pipelining is broken by design, that the HTTP WG has > increased the number of concurrent connections that are recommended, > and removed the upper limit - no. I don't think that disabling > pipelining hurts anyone - just use a couple more concu

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Roger Lynn
On 19/05/10 22:20, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > btw: What happened to the idea of movin umask completely away from > /etc/profile? > I mean regardless of the discussion about UPGs and which value is the > "best" default for umask, I found it to be a good idea to drop it there. This is a good

Re: /usr/share/doc/ files and gzip/xz/no compression

2011-08-16 Thread Roger Lynn
On 16/08/11 00:10, Carsten Hey wrote: > bzip2 has a better compression on average for some filetypes, xz[1] has > a better compression on average for others: > >gzip bzip2 xz bzip2+xz[3] > text files[2] 94312922 73496587 77783076 73496587 > other files

Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-16 Thread Roger Lynn
On 15/10/11 22:00, Josh Triplett wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote: > > Needing to send mail through specific per-user smarthosts is the exception, > > not the rule. Most machines have a designated forwarding smarthost based on > > who their ISP is, not based on which email address someone wants to us

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-13 Thread Roger Lynn
On 09/09/19 14:40, Bjørn Mork wrote: Ondřej Surý writes: Otherwise it doesn’t make any sense to remove external links to logos and JavaScript from the documentation and then send everything to one single US-based provider. Exactly. I'd be worried if anything in Debian came preconfigured with

Re: Discussion tooling

2019-10-06 Thread Roger Lynn
On 05/10/19 22:20, Samuel Henrique wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 14:51, Antonio Terceiro wrote: Note that email already has a "tree-like" structure, since forever. You just don't see it if you (ironically) use web application email clients like gmail that decided to not show it. Most console/des

Re: Shall we serve scripts as application or as text?

2021-08-30 Thread Roger Lynn
On 29/08/2021 15:20, Simon McVittie wrote: The major difference is fallback behaviour. If a client (web browser or email client or similar) receives a file with a text/* type for which it has no special handler, in the absence of other context it is expected to treat it like text/plain, and show

Re: [RFC] changes to rsyslog - default to RFC 5424 format

2021-12-18 Thread Roger Lynn
On 18/12/2021 15:00, Michael Biebl wrote: I'm not a user of logwatch, so I don't know, if logwatch nowadays can handle RFC 5424 timestamps, but even if so, I think the benefits outweigh the potential breakage. And it's easy enough for users to create a drop-in config snippet with $ActionFileDefa

Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

2023-05-17 Thread Roger Lynn
On 15/05/2023 19:00, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Sun, 14 May 2023 at 23:37:34 +0200, Josh Triplett wrote: >> People build things on Debian that are not Debian packages. People >> compile binaries on Debian, and expect them to work on any system that >> has sufficiently new libraries. > > *raises ha

Re: i386 in the future (was Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal)

2023-05-25 Thread Roger Lynn
On 21/05/2023 07:00, James Addison wrote: > On Fri, 19 May 2023 at 22:58, Ansgar wrote: >> One of the problems with popcon is that it draws too much attention to >> old releases which isn't really interesting when talking about future >> developments. If one looks at arch usage per release (as re

Re: Policy: should libraries depend on services (daemons) that they can speak to?

2024-01-15 Thread Roger Lynn
On 15/01/2024 18:00, Russ Allbery wrote: > When you have the case of an application that optionally wants to do foo, > a shared library that acts as a client, and a daemon that does foo, there > are three options: > > 1. Always install the shared library and daemon even though it's an >optiona

Re: systemd, ntp, kernel and hwclock

2017-03-04 Thread Roger Lynn
On 28/02/17 01:00, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Mon, 2017-02-27 at 16:09 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Right, ntpdate for some reason doesn't set the flag to do this. > > There is a very good reason, which is that without continuous > adjustment the system clock cannot be assumed more stable than the

Re: P.S. Re: Debian 9 in a VM with Proxmox 5 system

2017-07-12 Thread Roger Lynn
On 10/07/17 19:40, Marvin Renich wrote: > There is an easy fix to revert the default behavior while still allowing > knowledgeable sysadmins to get the new behavior. On the other hand, > those who need to administer systems but are not sysadmins by trade (and > thus will have to do significantl

Re: P.S. Re: Debian 9 in a VM with Proxmox 5 system

2017-07-16 Thread Roger Lynn
On 13/07/17 12:40, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 05:17:57AM -0400, Tom H wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Roger Lynn wrote: > > > SUBSYSTEM=="net", ATTR{address}=="1c:1b:0d:9a:34:98", NAME="eth0" > > > > I