Re: dgit and upstream git repos

2014-10-11 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 08:26:45AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I understand why you feel this way, particularly given the tools that you're working on, but this is not something I'm going to change as upstream. Git does not contain generated files, and the tarball release does, because those

Re: Trimming priority:standard

2014-09-12 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 07:41:19PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: * telnet: dead for 19 years. Used only by those who misspell 'nc' and hope for no 0xff bytes. * wamerican: what use is a wordlist with no users? Both of these fall under the anyone familiar with UNIX would go 'where the

Re: Trimming priority:standard

2014-09-12 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 03:12:47PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: (Admittedly, cron has to be Priority:important anyway, to support logrotate - until/unless someone adds a logrotate.timer for systemd, and makes its cron job early-return if systemd is pid 1.) It's inevitable that systemd will

Re: Trimming priority:standard

2014-09-12 Thread Theodore Ts'o
One thought... there will probably be trademark concerns with unix.[1] So we might have to choose a name for the tasksel task to be someting like unix-like. [1] http://www.unix.org/trademark.html - Ted -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-08 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 09:39:05AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Note also that a few of those things (udev, adduser, and libdevmapper1.02.1 for example) are likely to be on any non-chroot system already since they're either dependencies of other things (such as grub for libdevmapper1.02.1) or

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-13 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 05:17:10PM -0700, Octavio Alvarez wrote: That's why I see GNOME 3 as a tablet environment. I'd love to use a tablet with GNOME 3. But using it in a desktop just reduces the communication between me and my computer. What is Debian? This is actually the core (hidden)

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-13 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 04:09:25PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: To quote a fairly famous Linux user who eventually came back from XFCE to GNOME: But I'm actually back to gnome3 because with the right extensions it is more pleasant.[1] But I'm not sure if he qualifies as a power user or is

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-13 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:18:49PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: Well, Linus' extensions won't break because GNOME updates them with every release and ships them with the official GNOME release. From the README found in gnome-shell-extensions sources: GNOME Shell Extensions is a collection

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-13 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 06:34:46PM -0400, Hashem Nasarat wrote: The following first party extensions are developed along with gnome-shell and are updated for each gnome-shell release. https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell-extensions/tree/extensions Extensions on

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-12 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:26:18PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: See my 1st message to this thread. Joey, With respect to your question re HiDPI displays and Xfce, I'm using Xfce4 from Debian Testing on a Lenovo T540p with 3k screen, and setting things up was fairly straight forward. I got most of

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-12 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 09:33:03PM -0007, Cameron Norman wrote: With respect to your question re HiDPI displays and Xfce, I'm using Xfce4 from Debian Testing on a Lenovo T540p with 3k screen, and setting things up was fairly straight forward. I got most of what I needed by setting Custom DPI

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-12 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 01:44:43AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: If you increase the DPI settings under XFCE following the instructions posted by Ted, none of the UI elements besides text are scaled, no scaled cursor, no scaled icons, no scaled window decorations, etc. That's a fair comment.

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-11 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:53:56PM +0200, wm4 wrote: To be fair, FFmpeg does its own manual symbol versioning by appending increasing numbers to function names. But the real problem are not these functions, but public structs. Imagine a new API user fighting to guess which fields in

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-08-10 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 12:25:33AM -0700, Andrew Kelley wrote: High quality libraries must iterate on their API. Especially for a library trying to solve such a complex problem as audio and video encoding and decoding for every codec and format. It is unreasonable to expect no incompatible

Re: Why are the gcc-*-base packages priority:required?

2014-08-09 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, Aug 09, 2014 at 11:23:24AM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-08-09 04:27 +0200, Theodore Ts'o wrote: Potentially stupid question --- why are the gcc-4.[789]-base packages have the priority required? And what are they used for? Providing the mandatory files under /usr/share/doc

Why are the gcc-*-base packages priority:required?

2014-08-08 Thread Theodore Ts'o
Potentially stupid question --- why are the gcc-4.[789]-base packages have the priority required? And what are they used for? I'm fine-tuning a small kvm appliance (kvm-xfstests, as it happens), and I'm trying to keep the root file system as small as possible. It appears that I can dpkg

Re: Why are the gcc-*-base packages priority:required?

2014-08-08 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 07:46:24PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org writes: I'd therefore contact the relevant maintainers to make sure, probably through a bug report asking for a priority downgrade. It looks like the only remaining purpose for gcc-4.9-base is

Re: Bug#754513: ITP: libressl -- SSL library, forked from OpenSSL

2014-07-19 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 02:27:56AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: Of course, the syscall numbers and interface details are not set into stone until this gets merged into mainline. It doesn't say much about sizes you can request and what the result of that would be. The getentropy() replacement

Re: Bug#754513: ITP: libressl -- SSL library, forked from OpenSSL

2014-07-18 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 02:03:06PM +0200, Johannes Schauer wrote: maybe this will help in the future: http://lists.openwall.net/linux-kernel/2014/07/17/235 Latest version of the patch: http://lists.openwall.net/linux-kernel/2014/07/18/329 Of course, the syscall numbers and

Re: use of RDRAND in $random_library

2014-06-13 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 10:09:02AM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: Excuse me if I'm blunt here, but I understand that, on the point of using entropy to seed a PRNG, if you have several shitty entropy sources and one _really_ good one, and you xor them all together, the resulting

Re: use of RDRAND in $random_library

2014-06-13 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 06:51:44PM +, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: I would expect that if the NSA wanted to take control of the RDRAND or the rest of the CPU, they'd dynamically update the microcode in the CPU to change how it behaves. To do this, it appears that they'd need to sign a microcode

Re: use of RDRAND in $random_library

2014-06-12 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:19:37AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I've never seen a convincing argument that the kernel /dev/random is likely to be *less* secure than the hardware random number generator. It's either more secure or the same level of security. Given that, it's a risk analysis, and

Re: Non-source Javascript files in upstream source

2014-05-02 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 09:20:02PM +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote: 1. Do we need to check that generated files which we don't use are actually generated from the provided source? Main example here is a configure file which gets overwritten during build. For the record, the reason why I ship

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-31 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 01:41:53AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: I'm surprised by this comment. Very little policy is actually encoded in upstart's C code; in fact, the only policy I can think of offhand that is is some basic stuff around filesystems, which, aside from some must-have kernel

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-31 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:52:15PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: You can do quite a bit with the hooks that are part of the specification of both types of files. For example, logic that you may add to control whether the service should start at all can be implemented by adding a pre-start

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-31 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On a different subject, which I don't think has been raised so far --- has the Debian maintinares for the upstart package made any comments about bug fixes or code contributions from Debian Developers who are personally opposed to being forced to sign copyright assignment agreements, or for whom

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-30 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 06:21:27PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Well, I've said this before, but I think it's worth reiterating. Either upstart or systemd configurations are *radically better* than init scripts on basically every axis. They're more robust, more maintainable, easier for the

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-30 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 06:18:29PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I suspect you and I have a root disagreement over the utility of exposing some of those degrees of freedom to every init script author, but if you have some more specific examples of policy that you wanted to change but couldn't,

Re: Anybody using quilt?

2013-09-14 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 03:21:00PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: Is any of you Debian maintainers/developers using guilt (qit+quilt)for patch management/developement? Is it good or bad? If you are not, what do you use? I use guilt for managing ext4 development for the upstream kernel. It's

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-22 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 03:05:58PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposite), or that configuration files are less human-readable than shell scripts. My biggest complaint

Re: EFI in Debian

2012-07-05 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 12:51:01PM +, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: Tanguy Ortolo, 2012-07-04 14:13+0200: A blog post explaining how to set up Debian to boot via UEFI: http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article51/debian-efi A message to this list detailing the UEFI boot procedure and what is

Clarification on the Origin: field in the Patch Tagging Guidelines?

2012-06-15 Thread Theodore Ts'o
Hi, I'm trying to understand a better way of using the Origin: field as specified by DEP-3. I'm currently using something like this: Origin: http://git.kernel.org/?p=fs/ext2/e2fsprogs.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f00911a21 f4e95de84c60e09cc4df173e5b6701 since DEP-3 seems to strongly encourage a URL.

multiarch, required packages, and multiarch-support

2012-06-14 Thread Theodore Ts'o
If a required package (such as e2fslibs, which is required by e2fsprogs) provides multiarch support, then Lintian requires that the package have a dependency on the package multiarch-support[1]. However, this causes debcheck to complain because you now have a required package depending on a

udeb and data.tar.xz files?

2012-05-14 Thread Theodore Ts'o
I'm very confused about what the status is regarding udeb and data.tar.xz. Are they allowed or not? It seems at the moment that dh_builddeb is creating them by default, and lintian is complaining that this is an error. I've done a search through the web and debian-devel and it looks like

To those investigating e2fsprogs buildd failures...

2011-09-29 Thread Theodore Ts'o
... just to save save you some time, I've already looked at the failures and have made adjustments in the e2fsprogs git tree (which you can find at git://github.com/tytso/e2fsprogs.git while kernel.org is down). I'll be making another release in a few days... -

BTW question: how expensive is archive/unarchive

2011-09-28 Thread Theodore Ts'o
Hi there, There are a bunch of bug reports where a bug was fixed in the stable branch, and for whatever reason it wasn't obvious to BTS that the bug was fixed in the development branch as well, so it shows a picture like this:

Could the multiarch wiki page be explicit about pkgconfig files?

2011-09-18 Thread Theodore Ts'o
I'm trying to implement Multiarch for e2fsprogs, and there's one thing which is confusing about the Multiarch wiki page at http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation and that's the correct location of pkgconfig files, which currently are stored at /usr/lib/pkgconfig/lib.pc. The

A request for those attending key signing parties

2011-01-31 Thread Theodore Ts'o
At the most recent Linux.conf.au pgp keysigning, I noticed a number of Debian developers present. Like me, they had new keys that they offered up for signing, presumably so they could start replacing their 1024DSA keys with stronger keys. If you are signing keys where you've verified the

Request to check for /dev/.static/dev in /etc/blkid.tab

2008-08-04 Thread Theodore Ts'o
Hi all, Apparently udev 0.125-3 is going to be in Lenny (it's not yet in Lenny, but apparently the release-team will be giving an exemption to let it in despite the freeze). One of the changes in udev 0.125-3 is that /dev/.static/dev is going to be going away. (Rightly so, it's a hack).

Please ignore mail bounces for [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-12-27 Thread Theodore Ts'o
Hi all, some of you may have noticed have received mail bounces from mail that you sent me from [EMAIL PROTECTED] that referenced failure to deliver mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], for example: [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Deferred: Connection timed out with thunk.org. Message could not be delivered for 3

Re: Adding dependencies to e2fsprogs: libdevmapperr, libselinux and libsepoll

2006-03-09 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 11:07:24PM -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Michael Banck] Please take into consideration that libselinux is not available on Debian's non-Linux ports. It's not libselinux you should be worried about, but libdevmapper. He's not depending on libselinux directly, but

Re: Adding dependencies to e2fsprogs: libdevmapperr, libselinux and libsepoll

2006-03-09 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 04:38:27PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Actually, because of the e2fsck-static package, e2fsprogs has to have a build-depends on libselinux. There doesn't seem to be a way to say, except on non-Linux platforms for a build-depends as far as I know,

Re: Adding dependencies to e2fsprogs: libdevmapperr, libselinux and libsepoll

2006-03-09 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:54:16PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: List the linux platforms. It is more likely some new non-linux platform shows up (like armeb, kfreebsd-amd64, ...) than a new linux one. That's. unspeakably horrible. What we really need is a separation between OS

Adding dependencies to e2fsprogs: libdevmapperr, libselinux and libsepoll

2006-03-08 Thread Theodore Ts'o
I have recently received a patch which allows the blkid library to properly handle device mapper partitions. The problem is in order to do this, I have to link in libdevmapper, and by extension libselinux and libsepoll. Since these libraries would depend on the blkid library, which is used by

Re: limitations of reportbug and BTS

2006-02-17 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Feb 16, 2006 at 07:09:13PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or the search machine of the choice for those who do not trust Google. I think most of those types are holed up in a bunker cradling a machine gun. Or live in China. :-)

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-16 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 12:44:01AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: I think this is not quite true. In any case, my recollection was that the bad cooperation was a two-way street, with you being extremely reluctant to acknowledge the concerns and needs of distributions, and on the other

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-16 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 12:06:29PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: Theodore Ts'o wrote: I can give a couple of examples; one is way back when, before I took over the maintenance of the e2fsprogs package, and was merely the upstream author. The then maintainer of e2fsprogs attempted to add

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:04:46PM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: I don't think that patches-submitted-to-the-BTS is a good way to measure how much Ubuntu is contributing to Debian. Ubuntu's patches are readily available: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~scott/patches/ I looked at the patches

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 01:54:09PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Could you then take my name off as being reponsible for software that this diverse group of people have modified, if the modifications are more than cosmetic? Also, I would like the bug reports to be triaged and

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 03:12:33PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Actually, upstream maintainers have no voice before the technical committee, which exists to resolve disputes between Debian developers, not between Debian developers and outsiders. Indeed. And likewise, we have absolutely

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Bug#343662: fsck errors halting boot after upgrade]

2005-12-23 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 01:59:55PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: On 19-Dec-05, 09:21 (CST), Theodore Ts'o [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Specifically, what I would propose is /etc/localtime.conf contain something like US/Eastern, and let /etc/zoneinfo be a copy of the file /usr/share/zoneinfo

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Bug#343662: fsck errors halting boot after upgrade]

2005-12-19 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 10:37:06PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Theodore Ts'o wrote: (for example if the US Congress changes the definition of daylight savings time), That should be when, not if, unfortunately. AFAIK, they've already done it. On my system, /bin, /etc, /lib

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Bug#343662: fsck errors halting boot after upgrade]

2005-12-17 Thread Theodore Ts'o
Fixing this the right way will require changing when Debian boot scripts run hwclock (as the first very thing), and will require making changes to util-linux, the installer (so that /etc/zoneinfo is not a symlink, and so that the information about what the local timezone is stored somewhere else

Re: making developer location from ldap public?

2005-08-25 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 05:11:01PM +0200, Robert Lemmen wrote: i fully agree that generally an opt-in system is better, but in this case it is far more complicated to implement, and it's not really anything big that we are talking about here. if you want to hide where you are living from the

Re: Package priorities: optional vs extra

2005-07-06 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 04:06:22PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Lionel Elie Mamane] I recently found some packages in at an IMHO totally wrong priority in Debian. Yeah. I've been grumbling about optional vs. extra for years. Nobody wants to consider his own packages 'extra' because

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-06 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:39:59AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: It is my believe that the 2.4 kernel is still in wide spread use both indide and outside Debian, thats a cause for being concerned about it in my books. Indeed, its the kernel shipped with RHEL 3.x . Sort of. 2.4 kernels have

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-04 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 07:06:36PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: The license of the GNUTLS OpenSSL shim is GPL, causing possible license problems in the other direction with GPL-incompatible apps. It's also not a very complete compatibility layer. So dynamically link against _an_ SSL

Re: *** SPAM *** Re: NEW handling: About rejects, and kernels (Was: Re: NEW handling ...)

2005-03-23 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 04:24:41PM +, Matthew Wilcox wrote: The Vancouver meeting summary upset me, not because of the proposals to drop architectures, but because it contained a reminder of the Social Contract changes. The project is moving to what I believe to be a ridiculously

Re: eleventh-hour transition for mysql-using packages related to apache

2005-03-02 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 05:03:26AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: As a result, in spite of the timing wrt the release, I'm proposing a transition to libmysqlclient12 for a number of packages for sarge. The packages listed below are those packages currently in sarge which either are broken with

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-13 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 12:28:08AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Not really. The rest of the explanation for non-US is that those packages weren't illegal to USE in the USA, but were illegal to EXPORT. We don't have a section for packages that you aren't allowed to have, or aren't allowed to

How frequently is the override file getting updated?

2003-12-12 Thread Theodore Ts'o
Hi, I updated a new set of e2fsprogs debs 5 or 6 days ago, which among other things contained an RC bugfix. It's been stalled waiting for someone to update the override file. I know that people are busy finishing off the last bits of recovery from the security compromise, but when should I

USELINUX CFP

2003-12-05 Thread Theodore Ts'o
: December 16, 2003, 11:59 p.m. EST * Notification to authors: February 4, 2004 * Camera-ready papers due: May 4, 2004 USELINUX Program Committee Jerry Feldman Jim Gleason Bdale Garbee Jon Maddog Hall Don Marti Stacey Quandt Theodore Ts'o Victor Yodaiken

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 12:04:31PM +, bruce wrote: I did a first pass at the UserLinux white paper, it's at http://userlinux.org/white_paper.html. I think I'll sleep for a while. This is an interesting white paper, but I think it's missing something rather important in its discussion of

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:52:47PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: I don't deny that many businesses do have to come to their vendor on bended knee to get support for a new platform. It's important, however, to realize that this does indicate a problem in the customer's relationship with the

Re: Bug#213450: bug #213450

2003-11-17 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 03:14:49PM +1100, Brian May wrote: Hello, There is a bug (actually a number of bugs now) against heimdal that causes it to segfault under certain conditions. The bug has been reassigned to libcomerr2. It also has a simple one word patch. However, I have not

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-03 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 01:20:49PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: I don't know whether this package needs to match the kernel version or not, but if not I think the name is poorly chosen. It does not need to. Feel free to propose a patch to document this more clearly (I don't really want

Re: comerr-dev (= 2.0-1.33-2)

2003-11-03 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:23:42PM +0100, Turbo Fredriksson wrote: I need to upgrade my semi-woody system. I don't want to do a dist-upgrade (only upgrade MIT Kerberos V). The 1.3-2 version needs comerr-dev (= 2.0-1.33-2) and I have 2.0-1.27-2. Jumping to 1.34+1.35-WIP-2003.08.21-3 seems to

Re: Bits from the RM

2003-08-20 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 01:26:17PM +0200, cobaco wrote: and why on stable you do not expect a stable KDE? kde 3.2. will be the stable kde release come 8 december The reality is that if KDE 3.2 is stable in KDE, and it entered testing on December 8th, it would probably delay the release of

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-12 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 11:15:31PM -0500, Graham Wilson wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 08:49:46AM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 12:33:22AM -0400, Work Needing Prospective Packages wrote: judy (#172772), orphaned 210 days ago Description: C library

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-12 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 11:58:55PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote: On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 08:25:57AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: There's someone on d-mentors wanting to adopt this. As in the BTS: Debian Bug report logs - #172772 ITA: judy -- C library for creating and accessing dynamic

Re: Bug#200153: ITP: e2tools -- utilities for manipulating files in an ext2/ext3 filesystem

2003-07-06 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:57:35PM +0200, Falk Hueffner wrote: Ralf Treinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: E2tools is a simple set of GPL'ed utilities to read, write, and manipulate files in an ext2/ext3 filesystem. please excuse my ignorance - what would be the advantage of these tools

Re: A success story with apt and rsync

2003-07-06 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 10:12:03PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 10:28:07PM +0200, Koblinger Egmont wrote: Yes, when saying random order I obviously ment in the order readdir() returns them. It's random for me. :-))) It can easily be different on different

Re: A success story with apt and rsync

2003-07-06 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 11:36:34PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: I can only presume this is new or obscure, since everything I tried had the traditional behaviour. Can't see how to turn it on, either. It's new for 2.5. Backports to 2.4 are available here:

Re: A success story with apt and rsync

2003-07-06 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 01:01:34AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: I believe htree == dir_index, so tune2fs(8) and mke2fs(8) have the answer. My /home has that enabled and readdir() returns files in creation order. Then you don't have a htree-capable kernel or the directory isn't indexed.

Re: Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-05 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 05:05:01PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The point of decoupling installation and configuration is to let the admin choose which of these scenarios happen, instead of the distribution or the maintainer. The first is appropriate if you're doing installs of many systems

Re: Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-04 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:49:19PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: If I ever add filtering to the notes debconf allows to be displayed, notes that refer the user to README.Debian will be at the top of the list to never be displayed. Of course, I am much more likely to bow to the pressure of notes

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:03:47AM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: (For those who are not aware of this issue, please read #92810) Since the doc-rfc packages have been moved to non-free, I have just cloned the doc-rfc RC bug (#92810) and assigned it to some other packages which

Re: debootstrapping and sysvinit

2003-07-01 Thread Theodore Ts'o
Miquel, It is certainly true that sysvinit is an important package, and as such, it requires either frequent care and attention to deal with bugs (and you have a lot[1] of open bugs against the sysvinit package). For better or for worse, the release history of sysvinit has not been one which has

Re: What makes a debconf?

2003-05-28 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 01:41:56AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: True enough, but since USENIX took over Atlanta Linux Showcase, ran it for one year, and then shot it in the back of a head like a drug kingpin assassinating an unwanted lieutenant, Debian developers in the U.S., particularly

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-20 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 11:03:17AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: It seems to me this would be mitigated by two factors: 1) if they know enough to realize they should be emailing you in English, they probably realize they need to send the error messages in English too (by running e2fsprogs in

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-19 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 06:55:37PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Highly technical packages like zebra, netfilter-related stuff and linux-atm are most likely to be used by people who know English. Not speaking English will make running routers and/or internet security systems almost impossible

Re: A strawman proposal: testing-x86 (Was: security in testing)

2003-05-17 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 11:41:02AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: Not only you, Jerome and me were suggesting it in the past. However I am afraid that the whole package movement machinery would have to be rewritten to allow independent handling of the version in different testing threes, plus

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:53:50PM -0400, Don Armstrong wrote: Manoj's answer, while witty, is closer to the mark than you may realize. Debian will always be for whoever the people contributing to Debian are willing/want it to be for. No more, no less. Um, when we all agreed to be Debian

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:37:51PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: Sure, every now and then a badly-broken package makes it in for a day or two. This seems to be far less harmful than the massive headache that treating 'testing' as a usable release seems to be causing. Something that would make

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-14 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 12:07:29PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote: Your engagement for the quality of your package is really great. Only, I think that you are not responsible of the translation. I know that there is a lack in debian framework concerning this point, but it really should be so

A strawman proposal: testing-x86 (Was: security in testing)

2003-05-14 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:22:05PM +0300, Chris Leishman wrote: I care about security in testing, and I believe others do too. But I don't think the process should be the same as with stable releases. Testing should not become another psudo stable distributionit's for testing. So I

Re: Status of Sarge Release Issues (Updated for May)

2003-05-14 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, May 10, 2003 at 10:16:40PM -0400, Morgon Kanter wrote: This one time, at band camp, Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 5 May 2003 17:17:20 -0500, Chris Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read that Linus is planning to have 2.6 released before July and have 2.7 open

Re: The Debian Mentors Project

2003-05-13 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 11:40:04PM -0400, Joe Nahmias wrote: If I may make a suggestion, a user should only be able to upload a package that either: a) doesn't appear in the repository - -or- b) already has the uploader as maintainer - -or- c) has a RFA/O bug filed in WNPP

Re: Time to package simpleinit?

2003-04-28 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 03:43:25PM +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: A runlevel is just any script whose name makes it being called by /sbin/init on a certain runlevel, like /etc/init.d/runlevel.3 There is nothing special about this script, it could do anything you want. Usually I think

Re: /run/, resolvconf and read-only root

2003-04-28 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 06:09:10PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: OK, I think my worst fears are realized. You do actually want to solve all the goals I could have imagined you possibly wanting to try try and solve. I think I am very likely to wait until there is a policy change or at least

Re: Time to package simpleinit?

2003-04-27 Thread Theodore Ts'o
One big problem about Richard Gooch's simpleinit is that it is functionally very different from the standard systme V init scripts. Specifically, he always assumes that runlevel n+1 is always a superset of runlevel n, and that in order to get to runlevel n+1, you must first start up all of the

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-21 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 11:14:05AM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: It's also worth considering that perhaps there is a language difference (does Hans have English as a first language?) that make it seem that the email seem harsher than it really is. Many Europeans are naturally very honest with what

Re: Bug#189370: acknowledged by developer (irrelevant)

2003-04-21 Thread Theodore Ts'o
This issue has degenerated to name calling at this point, and in other threads, Godwin's law has even been invoked, perhaps not to great effect. I agree with you Manoj, as I suspect most people who have commented on this list, but perhaps this is time to refer the issue to the Technical

Re: Jumped up developers [Re: stop the manage with debconf madness]

2003-04-21 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 06:33:49PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: And the bit that the jumped up developers don't seem to understand is the co-operation and consensus. I constantly see comments on how we should restrict the number of maintainers, how we need to make sure everyone's packages measures

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