Re: update-rc.d: Removal of start and stop actions

2013-05-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 19-05-13 17:47, Roger Leigh wrote: Hi, With the release of wheezy, all systems should be using dependency- based booting. This makes the provision of static sequence ordering pointless, but the update-rc.d interface still allows sequence numbers to be passed for its start, stop and

Re: Packaging releases without a tarball (sometimes)

2013-05-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 17-05-13 08:01, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@debian.org mailto:hyper...@debian.org wrote: On 17/05/2013 01:01, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: Patch releases are NOT available as zip files and the list of

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 16-05-13 21:27, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Wouter Verhelst's message of 2013-05-14 03:22:14 -0700: On 13-05-13 05:59, Mark Symonds wrote: Can we keep the distribution simple enough for nearly anyone to understand? No. The goal of Debian is not to be simple. While we should

Re: Do opaque struct changes break C library ABIs

2013-05-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 17-05-13 02:35, Russ Allbery wrote: I have a C shared library that takes a pointer to an opaque struct as the first argument to most of its API calls. The internal layout of that opaque struct is changing (to add new members). The only way to create the opaque state struct is via a call

Re: Web ID as passwordless authentication for debian web services

2013-05-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 16-05-13 18:37, Russ Allbery wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: On 16-05-13 17:42, Russ Allbery wrote: You could, in theory, switch to DNSSEC, but now you're just replacing one CA cartel with another. Except that with DNSSEC (and DANE), the number of people you have

Accepted nbd 1:3.3-3 (source amd64)

2013-05-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 11:28:26 +0200 Source: nbd Binary: nbd-server nbd-client nbd-client-udeb Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:3.3-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Thorsten On 11-05-13 20:26, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Steve Langasek vorlon at debian.org writes: This is not a sensible goal. Choice of /bin/sh should *not* be the goal, the goal should be to get a good, fast, minimal, policy-compliant /bin/sh for *everyone*. Sure. We just disagree

Re: Source build-dependencies

2013-05-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 12-05-13 04:03, Paul Wise wrote: On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Wookey wrote: I'd vote for that too, as it would be very helpful for cross-toolchain building. I hadn't realised that source build-deps was a possibility. Is it? Does anyone have a proposal for how it might work? It

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 15-05-13 17:39, Thorsten Glaser wrote: As for your requests of data: I do not provide them. As I said above, I’m pushing for freedom of choice, not switching the default; of course I’d be happy with the latter, even more so actually, but it must be a thing not driven by me; I see. In that

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 13-05-13 06:16, Paul Wise wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Philip Hands wrote: I don't know about you, but I find it quite reassuring to be able to confirm that the first half of an install is going pretty well when I get to see the useless dummy page from Apache. I'd imagine

Re: Web ID as passwordless authentication for debian web services

2013-05-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 16-05-13 17:42, Russ Allbery wrote: You could, in theory, switch to DNSSEC, but now you're just replacing one CA cartel with another. Except that with DNSSEC (and DANE), the number of people you have to trust is much smaller. -- This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to

Re: jessie to be a derivative?

2013-05-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 11-05-13 13:31, Daniel Pocock wrote: There have been various discussions about how to change the release process I'm not personally convinced that the process is fundamentally flawed. If there are still as many wheezy systems in 10 years as there are Windows XP machines in corporations

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 13-05-13 05:59, Mark Symonds wrote: Can we keep the distribution simple enough for nearly anyone to understand? No. The goal of Debian is not to be simple. While we should document things as much as possible so that the interested can learn how things work, in no case should we ever avoid

Accepted nbd 1:3.3-2 (source amd64)

2013-05-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:16:24 +0200 Source: nbd Binary: nbd-server nbd-client nbd-client-udeb Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:3.3-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 06-05-13 14:49, Andreas Beckmann wrote: Hi, now might be the right time to start a discussion about release goals for jessie. Here are some points that come into my mind right now (and some were already discussed very recently): * multiarch compatible binNMUs * discarding maintainer

Re: git as a source package format?

2013-05-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 04-05-13 05:04, Charles Plessy wrote: In any case, please refrain passive-aggressive statements on other people's projects. Except that this time the project we're talking about was one person asking another person can you clarify what I meant?, which seems to make no sense, at all. If you

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 04-05-13 17:53, Michael Gilbert wrote: And/or on the technical side, make the buildds always build twice. Not Going To Happen[tm] on my buildd hosts. -- This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to space. If it starts pointing toward space you are having a bad problem and

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 03-05-13 10:25, Chow Loong Jin wrote: On 03/05/2013 16:12, Arto Jantunen wrote: Chow Loong Jin hyper...@debian.org writes: On 03/05/2013 15:01, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: Isn't that already possible? It is? I should try that out with my next upload. No, it's not. Source only

Re: Bug#706255: ITP: node-slide -- Simple chain and asyncMap flow control module for Node.js

2013-04-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 27-04-13 10:24, Jérémy Lal wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jérémy Lal kapo...@melix.org * Package name: node-slide Version : 1.1.3 Upstream Author : Isaac Z. Schlueter i...@izs.me * URL : https://github.com/isaacs/slide-flow-control * License

Re: Bug#706160: general: it should be easier for ordinary developers to work with Debian packages

2013-04-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 26-04-13 21:43, Ben Longbons wrote: From: Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org I'm definitely sure that a bug report is not the way to achieve anything here. Okay, continuing this on-list instead of in the bug report. Everyone, please keep me on the CC list, I missed half of these replies.

Re: Upstream packaging (was Re: Derivatives, MongoDB and freezes)

2013-04-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 25-04-13 10:50, Clint Byrum wrote: On 2013-04-24 12:43, Guillem Jover wrote: All of the things you mention are huge accomplishments, but the scope is what I am suggesting has gotten out of hand. Do we really need a high level view and QA of the entire system for MongoDB? We don't need it

Re: Bug#706160: general: it should be easier for ordinary developers to work with Debian packages

2013-04-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Ben, On 25-04-13 18:22, Ben Longbons wrote: Package: general Severity: wishlist [...long introduction snipped] How Simple Tasks are approached: quick: Debian: - checkinstall is buggy, quirky, and has no upgrade path. - I still haven't figured out how to do this easily.

Accepted fdpowermon 1.9 (source all)

2013-04-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:59:43 +0200 Source: fdpowermon Binary: fdpowermon fdpowermon-icons Architecture: source all Version: 1.9 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed-By: Wouter

Re: bits from the DPL: March-April 2013

2013-04-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Zack, On 16-04-13 16:37, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: (see John's brief summary [10]) and discuss further technical [...] workshop of FSFE's European Legal Network [10]; slides are available [...] [10]: http://fsfe.org/activities/ftf/ftf.en.html You made a minor mistake here; there is no

Accepted nbd 1:3.3-1 (source amd64)

2013-04-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:38:04 +0200 Source: nbd Binary: nbd-server nbd-client nbd-client-udeb Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:3.3-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Charles, On 10-04-13 00:56, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 05:54:14PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit : Suggestion #3: have a system where any other DD can review a package in the NEW queue, not only the FTP masters or the FTP assistants. That would include publishing the

Re: upgraded systems won't boot from UUID volumes

2013-04-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 08-04-13 08:53, Daniel Pocock wrote: I'm not suggesting that squeeze systems were installed that way by default, although people who have migrated an FS from a raw partition to an LV may have this in fstab. And that fact alone makes it a non-RC bug -- if it's even a bug at all. Changing

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 01-04-13 13:38, Uoti Urpala wrote: Samuel Thibault wrote: Uoti Urpala, le Mon 01 Apr 2013 05:12:46 +0300, a écrit : Distributions that make latest software available are necessary for free software development. Again, that's one of the things experimental is for. It is not. You can't

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 28-03-13 11:47, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote: Control: severity -1 important I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition makes unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) break No, it does not. hw will shut itself off before

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 28-03-13 14:04, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 28/03/13 12:32, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On 28-03-13 11:47, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote: Control: severity -1 important I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition makes unrelated software

Re: Bug#703762: ITP: jdownloader -- download manager for one-click hosting sites

2013-03-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 28-03-13 17:25, Benjamin Drung wrote: JDownloader comes with an updater that will update itself. Debian has an updater that will update *the whole system*. It's called dpkg. Please don't use that as an argument in favour of providing a downloader. I agree with what's been said before: we

Accepted nbd 1:3.2-3 (source amd64)

2013-03-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 12:21:03 +0100 Source: nbd Binary: nbd-server nbd-client nbd-client-udeb Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:3.2-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed

Accepted nbd 1:3.2-4 (source amd64)

2013-03-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:58:35 +0100 Source: nbd Binary: nbd-server nbd-client nbd-client-udeb Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:3.2-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed

Re: Bug#703946: general: OS freezes, but mouse and ping keeps working

2013-03-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 26-03-13 09:03, Philipp Kern wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 05:18:25AM +0100, Martin Eberhard Schauer wrote: as far as I googled, Chrome is not packaged by Debian, but Chromium is. So better complain at Google. If userspace is able to freeze your desktop, that's likely our fault. Not

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 18-03-13 10:06, Christoph Biedl wrote: Paul Gevers wrote... Is it just me or am I the only one getting bug reports from bugs that don't seem to exist on bugs.debian.org. Now it's appearently back online, but a web tracking has been added, as seen in #703298. That's disgusting. It's

Accepted dvswitch 0.9.1-1 (source amd64)

2013-03-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:46:35 +0100 Source: dvswitch Binary: dvswitch dvsource dvsink Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.9.1-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk Changed-By: Wouter

Re: Bootstrapping: list of 81 self-cycles in Debian Sid

2013-03-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 02:41:51PM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: Hi, Quoting Samuel Thibault (2013-03-05 13:41:12) Maybe arch:all-only source packages should be shown in a different color: AIUI these do not pose a problem for bootstrapping a new Debian port, since one does not need to

Re: git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-03-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:39:26AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: There was recently some discussion in pkg-javascript about how to give more people access to the VCS (e.g. keeping the git repositories logically organised under the pkg-javascript tree, but making write access available to all

Re: git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-03-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:07:22AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:39:26AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: Has anybody had experience controlling access to git repositories, for example, to give users access but prevent some of the following dangerous operations?

Bug#701585: marked as done (general: Can't select other languages)

2013-02-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
reopen 701585 reassign 701585 gnome-settings-daemon severity 701585 normal thanks On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 09:30:03PM +, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: Hello Carlos, Dear Maintainer, *** Please consider answering these questions, where appropriate *** Debian-Devel is no user support

Accepted fdpowermon 1.8 (source all)

2013-02-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:19:48 +0100 Source: fdpowermon Binary: fdpowermon fdpowermon-icons Architecture: source all Version: 1.8 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed-By: Wouter

Re: RFC declarative built-using field generation

2013-02-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 03:42:38AM +0100, Andreas Beckmann wrote: Can't we just annotate the foo-source binary package in some way - it should be pretty clear to the maintainer that he produces such a special package. Then for building other packages B-D-ing on the special package we could

Re: Go (golang) packaging, part 2

2013-01-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 08:25:38AM +0100, Michael Stapelberg wrote: Hi Hilko, Hilko Bengen ben...@debian.org writes: This is a pity for those of us who don't really subscribe to get everything from github as needed model of distributing software. Yes, but at the same time, it makes Go

Re: No native packages?

2013-01-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 09:44:18AM +0100, Gergely Nagy wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 07:16:44PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote on his blog[0]: Generally if software is useful in Debian Project it can be useful for other

Re: No native packages?

2013-01-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 07:16:44PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote on his blog[0]: Generally if software is useful in Debian Project it can be useful for other debian-like and unlike projects. In particular native packages do not offer the same patching flexibility as 3.0

Re: Candidates for removal from testing (2013-01-24)

2013-01-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 03:47:08PM +0100, Niels Thykier wrote: We are considering removing the following packages from testing as they have unfixed RC bugs filed against them. [...] Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org pmw I had overlooked the fact that serious means release critical

Re: Bootstrappable Debian - proposal of needed changes

2013-01-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 09:34:16AM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 08:33:57AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: If wanna-build is updated to support these two fields, then I imagine it can run the bootstrapping dependency algorithm. While you wouldn't want

Re: Bootstrappable Debian - proposal of needed changes

2013-01-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:34:55PM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 09:51:32PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: I'm not sure if wanna-build is the right tool to do this Why not? It already needs to do build-dependency tracking, marking packages as can't

Re: Bootstrappable Debian - proposal of needed changes

2013-01-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:17:07PM +, Neil Williams wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:51:32 +0100 Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 09:34:16AM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 08:33:57AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote

Re: Bootstrappable Debian - proposal of needed changes

2013-01-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Johannes, On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 07:18:40PM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: [...] 2. Build-Profiles (extension 1) === When a source package is built with fewer build dependencies (cross, embedded, stage1, nodocs...), then it often happens that it does not

Re: Packages with incomplete .md5sum files

2013-01-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 02:13:46PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Andreas Beckmann wrote: Excluding shipped files from .md5sums looks seriously wrong for files in /usr and at least questionable in /var/lib. What is so serious about that? In itself it may

Re: Updates in the very-old-stable

2013-01-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jan 06, 2013 at 09:48:20PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 01/06/2013 09:08 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: Ie, anything that is likely to be vulnerable remotely. And also, anything that is likely to be a critical piece of software. Like, for example I wouldn't really care about game

Re: [RFC] Go (golang) packaging

2013-01-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 09:41:15AM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 01:05:46PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: - Private dependencies, as they leak to rdeps. When a library uses another

Re: [RFC] Go (golang) packaging

2013-01-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 01:05:46PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: - Private dependencies, as they leak to rdeps. When a library uses another library privately this dependency gets linked in directly in all other rdeps, when that library stop depending on that private

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 02:28:04PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 12/31/2012 04:16 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: Please don't. -devel is not a popularity contest. I'm stunted by the complexity of your argumentation. It for sure helps in the debate. Doing '+1' on an argument doesn't exactly help a

Accepted fdpowermon 1.7 (source all)

2012-12-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:52:05 +0100 Source: fdpowermon Binary: fdpowermon fdpowermon-icons Architecture: source all Version: 1.7 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed-By: Wouter

Re: Feedback

2012-12-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:50:57PM +1000, Mistikos Nik wrote: Debian documentation is a joke. Ho Ho Ho Merry Christmas! -- Copyshops should do vouchers. So that next time some bureaucracy requires you to mail a form in triplicate, you can mail it just once, add a voucher, and save on postage.

Re: Package variant selection policy using meta packages

2012-12-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 02:57:56PM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote: Hi, Am Samstag, den 22.12.2012, 14:39 +0200 schrieb Andrei POPESCU: On Sb, 22 dec 12, 13:17:32, Joachim Breitner wrote: Users tend to fall into one of three classes: A. Users that, if they have foo-dev installed,

Re: Package variant selection policy using meta packages

2012-12-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 10:31:19PM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote: Hi, Am Sonntag, den 23.12.2012, 22:15 +0100 schrieb Wouter Verhelst: No, that's not true; a Recommends is not a Suggests. That’s not what I said. But it is a suggestion in the sense that installing a package without

Accepted nbd 1:3.2-2 (source amd64)

2012-12-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 19:38:02 +0200 Source: nbd Binary: nbd-server nbd-client nbd-client-udeb Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:3.2-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed

Accepted partman-nbd 0.18 (source amd64)

2012-12-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-By: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Description: partman-nbd - Adds support for NBD to partman (udeb) Changes: partman-nbd (0.18) unstable; urgency=low . * Remove double debian/install file, append its contents to debian/partman-nbd.install. This was causing failed installs... Checksums-Sha1

Accepted grub-installer 1.84 (source amd64)

2012-12-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-By: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Description: grub-installer - Install GRUB on a hard disk (udeb) Closes: 651720 Changes: grub-installer (1.84) unstable; urgency=low . * Add workaround for #681227. Won't mark it as closed, since I didn't find the root cause, but with this at least we

Re: Contributor agreements and copyright assignment

2012-12-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 05:49:43PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: The answer, as it happens, is the very terms of the FSF's copyright assignment, which ensures the work remains available under a copyleft license. *That* is the gold standard for copyright assignment, by which other copyright

Re: Contributor agreements and copyright assignment

2012-12-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 10:24:53AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Wouter Verhelst [...] Personally, I'm not comfortable signing off my copyright to the FSF, for the very same reason I'm not comfortable signing off copyright to Canonical: while both are led by a person whom so far

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-12-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 12:31:00PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-12-01 10:16:54 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 02:18:04AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: At least for Perl, I can't see anything related to validation. That's because validating an ini file

Re: Really, ...

2012-12-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 01:00:01AM +0200, Uoti Urpala wrote: Systemd does much better than its competitors as a social activity. ROTFL. I don't have much to say about the quality of Lennert's code, but his social skills are sorely lacking. -- Copyshops should do vouchers. So that next time

Re: Contributor agreements and copyright assignment (was Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems)

2012-12-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 09:14:20AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Are you equating the FSF and the PSF with a private, for-profit company here? That seems to be stretching it a bit. Not really, IMO. Personally, I'm not comfortable signing off my copyright to the FSF, for the very same reason

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-12-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:58:05PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 29 novembre 2012 à 15:24 +0100, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : Now if someone wants to fork the particular bits of upstream software so making use of a separate /usr is still possible, even if you think it's totally

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-12-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 08:51:47PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:28:40PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/homepage.jsp?code=PC68KCF the most recent processor you can find there was released in January 2012

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-12-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 08:37:19AM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote: And interfaces in various programming languages? http://docs.python.org/2/library/configparser.html

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-12-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 02:18:04AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-11-29 08:37:19 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote: And interfaces in various programming languages?

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 04:03:21PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:52:58PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 11/25/2012 01:30 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Why? Why would you want to rip such low-level stuff apart? Well, isn't it the opposite

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 06:49:45PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:08:31AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Now, I may add, I have no will to discuss it with you anyway, after reading you impose on my your partitioning scheme, and would like me to use my

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 08:02:20PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:12:23AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: P.S: By the way, there's still an ongoing m68k porting effort. Please respect this work as well. I've been a vivid Amiga user since 1991* and I still

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:00:14PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-11-26 07:27:08 +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: Ever heard of grep, sed, awk, all these nice things that make your life happy. These tools are broken when dealing with multibyte characters. No they're not.

Re: Mass bug filling about proprietary code of adobe in our type1 fonts

2012-11-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 07:09:42AM -0500, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell wrote: Absolutely rediculous. Prove Adobe did not give up rights by contributing them years ago. Prove Adobe did not give up rights by ignoring 7 years. Prove Adobe did not use these as a way

Re: debian mate

2012-11-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 08:12:55PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Because nobody knows anymore how to maintain libraries as complex as bonobo, for example. And I’m pretty sure the MATE developers don’t have the expertise. Yet. Can you please accept that there are some people who dislike

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 03:37:21PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 09:20:05AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: But why is a 30-year-old concept necessarily worse than a new one? Or to put it another way, why is it necessary to bring Linux forward, in cases where

Re: Where could I upload x32 port bootstrap?

2012-11-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 02:06:15PM -0800, Daniel Schepler wrote: I've asked a couple people in private mail about this, and haven't gotten any answer, so I thought I'd ask here for ideas. Where would be a good place to upload what I have so far from bootstrapping an x32 port of Debian? Have

Re: debian mate

2012-11-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 02:57:35AM +0400, Виталий Короневич wrote: debian gnome-edition - ok debian kde-edition - ok debian lxde-edition - ok debian xfce-edition - ok when will debian mate-edition? When someone (you?) does the work to package (the relevant parts of) mate. -- Copyshops

Re: Bug#691624: ITP: dput-ng -- next generation Debian package upload tool

2012-10-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 01:19:31PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: If not, why are you claiming to replace their code? It's fine to be writing something else to replace older code; but it's fairly rude to be claiming that whatever

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:48:24AM +, Philip Ashmore wrote: On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Philip Ashmore wrote: While this feature allows gdb to know the correct source locations, using it implies that packages requiring the feature contain incorrect source paths - wouldn't it be

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 08:03:25AM +, Philip Ashmore wrote: Having the sources installed in /usr/src and referenced there rather than /buildd would be an improvement too. That's why there is the 'substitute-path' feature in gdb to fix that. Also see

Re: Bug#691624: ITP: dput-ng -- next generation Debian package upload tool

2012-10-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 11:15:47AM +0100, Arno Töll wrote: Hi, On 28.10.2012 08:03, Philipp Kern wrote: I'd prefer if such a tool could replace an existing one. Why not aim at replacing dput if there's a reason for it? As for us, we'd welcome that. However, that's primarily left to the

Re: Discarding uploaded binary packages

2012-10-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 06:29:50PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Chow Loong Jin hyper...@debian.org [121020 18:10]: The only argument I have seen for binary uploads is to ensure that DDs have built the package prior to uploading it. But as someone else pointed out earlier in the

Re: (seemingly) declinging bug report numbers

2012-10-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 07:33:28PM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote: We won't attract the people you're looking at, until we can actually come up with a standard, cross-distro toolchain that: - is actually useful to build games, UIs, whatever you want people to build; - provides an API[1] that

Re: (seemingly) declinging bug report numbers

2012-10-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 03:04:45AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 17:43 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Ah, well, I think you misunderstood me here. What I meant is that ubuntu is gaining ground on things like Windows and MacOS. I didn't mean to refer to non-free

Re: Candidates for removal from testing

2012-10-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:32:39AM +0200, Niels Thykier wrote: We are considering removing the following packages from testing as they have unfixed RC bugs filed against them. The packages can be found in the attached dd-list. The bugs that put them on this list can be found in the removals

Re: (seemingly) declinging bug report numbers

2012-10-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 03:25:21AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: On Sat, 2012-10-13 at 20:35 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: [...] If anything, Ubuntu is gaining ground on non-free software. You can't be angry about that. That's a tricky question... ask yourself what RMS would

Re: Discarding uploaded binary packages

2012-10-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:28:14PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 05:04:55, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org [2012.10.16.0945 +0200]: We have not cared enough for almost 20 years that 9 out of 10 binary packages in use (i386

Re: Debian should move away from MD5 (and at best also from SHA1) (in secure APT and friends)

2012-10-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 09:17:32AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: part at all) will only weaken security. So I think what you say is an argument for keeping md5sum, so that noone think they can use that information for security. This argument is based on the incorrect assumption that everyone

Re: (seemingly) declinging bug report numbers

2012-10-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:13:51PM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 13:40 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I wonder: did upstream developers start to worry when the number of bugs report they received *directly* started to decrease, due to Debian distributing

Re: Bug#690183: ITP: apt-fast -- shellscript wrapper for apt-get or aptitude

2012-10-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 09:59:35AM -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: Of course, being able to download stuff from two different servers at the same time had a better end result, and as long as is one download at a time per server, I think it can be considered socially

Re: CD1 without a network mirror isn't sufficient to install a full desktop environment

2012-10-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:50:00AM +0300, Serge wrote: PS: I wish Debian had a similar stats page. It's now possible with http.debian.org. popcon reports its version number when it sends in statistics, from which it's easy to derive the distribution in use. There's some stats about that on the

Accepted fdpowermon 1.6 (source all)

2012-10-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:53:29 +0200 Source: fdpowermon Binary: fdpowermon fdpowermon-icons Architecture: source all Version: 1.6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org Changed-By: Wouter

Re: assumptions about the build environment.

2012-09-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 01:14:49PM +0100, Wookey wrote: In general I'm in favour of agreeing what can be relied upon and then only providing that in buildds. But you are quite right that for the purposes of buildds doing native building this improves your success rate by glossing over

Re: ${HOME} vs. g_get_home_dir () [and 1 more messages]

2012-09-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:51:39PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 26 septembre 2012 à 21:47 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit : Ivan Shmakov writes (${HOME} vs. g_get_home_dir ()): I do remember filing a bug or two against packages that refer to the getent () data to find the

Re: assumptions about the build environment.

2012-09-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 07:06:57PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 04:28:32PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 12:23:36AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: They probably should try to use the output of dpkg-architecture to select the arch. Then should

Re: Changes to Debian Maintainer upload permissions

2012-09-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 07:13:08PM +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: (BTW, source only uploads anyone? Then I can easily do the uploads on my own and need neither the DDs nor the DMs in my team to do what computers can do better.) If it's happening often enough, you may want to think about

Re: assumptions about the build environment.

2012-09-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 12:23:36AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 08:26:24PM +0100, peter green wrote: Some time ago I found that a package (I think it was openjdk but I don't remember for sure) which relied on uname -r such that linux32 had to be used to build it in an

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