Until
then, all sorts of setup need multipath-tools.
There is a kernel component (dm-multipath) and some integration with
lvm2 and systemd that one should also at least kinda know about.
Whoever wants to help, probably best to join the salsa group and start
making changes.
Thanks,
Chris
T
hat the machinery is working.
An interesting research topic is probably what is the non-key key
package depending on nose, and can that be fixed soon. A good
starting point might be "pkg-perl-tools", which is affected but
seems unlikely to directly depend on nose...
Chris
effort, and it often works. I think both are true for
almost all of the discussed options :-)
Chris
o work on
it needs to be found.
https://bugs.debian.org/1074250
Upstream has applied the trivial fix, but somehow that needs to flow
into Debian too.
Chris
phs/contributors
could be indicative.
But I guess the reason ifupdown2 is absent from the discussion is,
because nobody in the discussion so far was seriously looking
forward to ifupdown2 becoming one of the defaults?
Chris
* Marc Haber [240922 13:08]:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 12:22:50 +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler
> wrote:
> >The "server" group supposedly wants (and I agree) networkd,
> >but they also want the configuration interface of networkd.
>
> Ack. I'd love networkd to
hen what does netplan
help here?
Given d-i then will have to make a choice, *none* of the networking
stack packages should have a "Priority:" higher than optional. As
in, even if we would go with netplan in d-i, there is no "default"
anymore and people have to make choices.
Best,
Chris
Thing doesn't break all of the
> existing systems that are running perfectly well with ifupdown and which
> clearly don't need a new thing.
Existing install can stay on ifupdown as long as it exists or maybe
even longer. Changing priorities (at least to "standard") of a
package does not magically install it on existing systems.
Chris
* László Böszörményi (GCS) [240829 20:55]:
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 11:14 PM Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> > Yeah, I agree. Do you want to upload a new src:fuse package dropping
> > the fuse binary package?
> > fuse3 already Provides: fuse, so that should be fine.
> T
rs sites are currently
migrating away from ifupdown to networkd, and they don't need or
want an intermediate layer.
For the desktop(-like) systems, NetworkManager works nicely, again
without a need for an intermediate layer.
Again, having the option is nice. But I don't see netplan as a
useful default.
Chris
Hi,
* László Böszörményi (GCS) [240825 18:30]:
> Thanks for adding me, I can't follow -devel.
Sorry for not thinking about that earlier
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 11:24 PM Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> > Updated MBF text proposal:
> [...]
> > Does that sound good?
> enabler for good production operations practices.
Don't get me wrong. Yes, we should use git to do what git is good
for (tracking changes, etc).
We should not invent new ways of using git that no one else uses.
I'd like to reduce the delta of "how Debian uses git" to "how
everyone else uses git" to, hopefully, zero.
Chris
new ways of representing Debian stuff in git, I
think it would be a good idea to learn from all the other distros
and distro-like systems successfully using git [1]. Debian is not
the only distro that wants to use git to capture changes and
encourage contributions to its packages.
Chris
[1] alpi
gt; which is what the majority of new installs already have [1].
>
> [1] compare https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=fuse
> and https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=fuse3
Does that sound good?
Chris
oint out that often I picked packages that saw no
maintainer uploads for many years (think 5 or more).
I suspect that many maintainers do not actually receive bug mails at
all.
For the usrmerge NMUs (all with 10 day delay and nmudiff mail etc),
a lot of maintainers were surprised to find out about the bug via
the ACCEPT mail.
Chris
latest?
Packaging for unstable? For experimental? What if both evolve in
parallel? Yes, some packages do that.
Chris
the face of the DEP18
spirit.
Maybe there is no issue with changing git-buildpackage after all
then.
Chris
hundreds of developer machines [git fails horribly
> on the upstream/ → upstream/latest change].
I want to echo this pain. When changing the layout it seems almost
better to start from scratch.
Additionally, in my opinion debian/latest is a mistake we should not
recommend.
Chris
Fellow developers,
fuse (2.x) is long obsolete, yet we still have a long tail of packages
(Build-)Depending on it. Given fuse and fuse3 are not coinstallable,
IMO we should get packages off fuse.
Below is my proposed MBF wording, and a dd-list.
Chris
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Subject: SOURCE: move from fuse to
t analyzed what rwho(d) implementations are out there. I see
> NetBSD/FreeBSD has one still in -current, but OpenBSD removed it during
> 5.x. Are people aware of any other implementations worth considering?
IMO we should follow OpenBSD's 2015 (or earlier) decision.
Chris
if programs that are not
login-equivalents should write to wtmp in the first place.
wtmpdb upstream leans - in my vague reading - towards "no".
Chris
status is
> that one cannot have both: installing wtmpdb forces the upgrade of
> util-linux to 2.40.1-3 (at least), where "last" is no longer installed.
wtmpdb takes over the "last" name. Unfortunately without support for
reading the old files. Nobody wrote tooling to import them or so.
Chris
t sure which of the checks would be
applicable. For checks that do not rely on the implications of the
old file structure, you can probably use libwtmpdb or use
libsqlite3-0 directly.
Chris
y gaps, to provide insights on feasability and further
related comments.
I'm hoping that we can build consensus on this plan.
Please keep #1068017 in CC: when discussing substantial matters
about this plan but drop it for only vaguely related sub-threads.
Chris
[0] https://wiki.debian.o
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Chris Hofstaedtler
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
* Package name: wtmpdb
Version : 0.11.0
Upstream Contact: Thorsten Kukuk
* URL : https://github.com/thkukuk/wtmpdb
* License : BSD
Programming Lang: C
ed to happen at the same time.
Chris
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Description: PGP signature
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Chris Keller
* Package name: golang-github-mazznoer-csscolorparser
Version : 0.1.2-1
Upstream Author : Nor Khasyatillah
* URL : https://github.com/mazznoer/csscolorparser
* License : Expat
Programming Lang: Go
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Chris Keller
* Package name: golang-github-mazznoer-csscolorparser
Version : 0.1.1-1
Upstream Author : Nor Khasyatillah
* URL : https://github.com/mazznoer/csscolorparser
* License : Expat
Programming Lang: Go
uot;/dev/sd...", O_DIRECT | ...).
[1]
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/603e4922f1c81fc2ed3a87b4f91a8d3aafc7e093
[2] https://github.com/karelzak/util-linux/issues/1442
Chris
1.45:
Upstream change:
https://github.com/hreinecke/sg3_utils/commit/b0042ccf801d0008c0f9f090ea93b3871e8a542e
("add ${PACKAGE_VERSION} to '.so' name")
*Maybe* libsgutils2-2 should now also carry the version in its
package *name* :-(
Chris
Control: reopen 989370
Control: reassign 989370 ifupdown
Reassigning to ifupdown, which is the package having the
/etc/network/interfaces conffile.
Chris
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org,debian-v...@lists.debian.org
Let's make a petition about a google employee
Put their name in the subject line and attack them every day for a month
stop taking the google money you pathetic hypocrites
stop telling us a
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org,debian-v...@lists.debian.org
Matthias Kirschner sacked Susanne Eiswirt and Galia Mancheva when they spoke
about wage equality
They went public in December 2020
Nobody started a petition against the FSFE fascists
www.g
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org,debian-v...@lists.debian.org
Paul Tagliamonte betrayed Jacob Appelbaum while working at the White House
He sent multiple (leaked) messages on debian-private whinging and whining that
he doesn't feel safe
How can somebo
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Chris Keller
* Package name: golang-github-leemcloughlin-jdn
Version : 0.0~git20201102.6f88db6-1
Upstream Author : Lee McLoughlin
* URL : https://github.com/leemcloughlin/jdn
* License : Expat
Programming Lang: Go
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Chris Keller
* Package name: wsjtx-go
Version : 1.1.0-1
Upstream Author : Chris Keller
* URL : https://github.com/k0swe/wsjtx-go
* License : Apache-2.0
Programming Lang: Go
Description : Golang binding for the
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Chris Keller
* Package name: kel-agent
Version : 0.0~git20201103.9b8976a-1
Upstream Author : K0SWE
* URL : https://github.com/k0swe/kel-agent
* License : Apache-2.0
Programming Lang: Go
Description : An agent
is a likely cause on the Firefox side?
If needed, please find help - also with further diagnosing - at more
appropiate user help venues first. We have list a here:
https://www.debian.org/support
Especially helpful tend to be: IRC, the mailing lists or
http://forums.debian.net/ .
Thank you for your understanding,
Chris
ck to general, as bugs only rot
there until "expiration".
Chris
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: chris
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
* Package name : python-zstd
Version : 1.4.5.1
Upstream Author : Sergey Dryabzhinsky
* URL : https://github.com/sergey-dryabzhinsky/python-zstd
* License : BSD
Control: reassign -1 libx11-6
XCompose appears to be a libX11 feature, reassigning there.
Best,
Chris
rsion.
You can find help with these things at other venues listed at
https://www.debian.org/support - especially IRC,
the mailing lists or http://forums.debian.net/ .
Once there is a clear bug identified, please reassign this bug to
the package having the bug.
Thank you for your understanding,
Chris
5.4. Can you please try with
one of those versions (or just the current Debian 4.19) and see if
the problem goes away?
If the problem persists in 4.19, but is gone in 5.3/5.4, it might be
useful to "git bisect" to find the fix. Maybe it can be included in
a buster update, then.
Chris
y IRC,
the mailing lists or http://forums.debian.net/ .
Once there is a clear bug identified, please file a new report
against the package having the bug.
Thank you for your understanding,
Chris
nd accelerator for accel id 138
> gnome-settings-[2285]: Could not find accelerator for accel id 138
Reassigning to gnome-settings-daemon, as a best guess.
Please don't reassign back to general, as nothing useful will happen
to this bug report there.
Thanks,
Chris
ce package, but please
try to gather additional help from other venues listed at
https://www.debian.org/support - especially IRC,
the mailing lists or http://forums.debian.net/ , as the bug tracker
often is not very suitable for this.
Thank you for your understanding,
Chris
ing
there.
(I understand there might not much that can be done conceptually
about this.)
Chris
Control: reassign -1 sddm
Per description this sounds like an ssdm issue, or at least
something the sddm maintainers could help diagnosing.
Chris
rg instead,
though.
Chris
tags 958666 + pending
thanks
Holger Levsen wrote:
> definitly, yes, filing this bug now.
As mentioned elsewhere, this was already fixed yesterday in fd8ee67d.
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want is this one from security.debian.org:
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r images contain.
This RFP was prompted by the following wishlist request against
diffoscope:
https://salsa.debian.org/reproducible-builds/diffoscope/issues/39
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Owner: Chris Cantwell
* Package name: libnektar++
Version : 5.0.0
Upstream Author : Chris Cantwell
* URL : http://www.nektar.info/
* License : MIT
Programming Lang: C++
Description : Nektar++ spectral/hp element
a general heads-up
for you and a way of "keyword stuffing" various terms the above
paragraphs into search indexes for the benefit of others looking for
perhaps-obscure issue like this in the future. It is also an implicit
thanks for pushing security hardening features. :)
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firewall options around when I needed to pick something in haste
around the time of the stretch release…) was actually the deciding
factor for me:
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alternative terms instead.
[0] Or, if you may excuse an RFC2119 pun, "MUST"...
[1] Feel free to dilute to taste with similar terms.
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an optional and orthogonal boolean of some description that turns
warnings into errors, rather than a proposal to cease execution of
tests by default.
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kind of toggle rather than an environment variable?
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> I don't have much experience of dealing with debugging symbols so any hints
> would be appreciated.
I would also be interested in this from my "Lintian hat" of:
https://bugs.debian.org/931632#35
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Most notably from a Debian point of view would be:
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DSA attention ,and even allow non-DD/DMs to utilise the service too.
(I would concede that this would essentially require adopting a salsa
and Git-based packaging scheme, however.)
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> And I'd also prefer to avoid pushing my way in a back alley, thus I'm asking
> for ideas and consensus before filing bugs.
It is a slip on your part to represent my practical suggestions for
achieving our mutual aims in any way as an attempt on my part to
suppress what you
r lists make pains to
avoid all possibility of being accused of the aforementioned sins.
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> […] in my lintian fork […]
I got around to releasing Lintian 2.13.0 to unstable earlier today including
your suggested changes (so hopefully you can drop your fork for the time
being).
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"just asking questions" in this thread.
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can immediately think of at least five folks.
And that's not counting myself.
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diffoscope:
https://salsa.debian.org/reproducible-builds/diffoscope/issues/51
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See:
https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
… specifically the "Sending copies of bug reports to other addresses"
section for the rationale here.
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> Maybe we don't need a huge amount of test data, i.e. not the
> full set that is used by upstream. A small subset might be
> sufficient for at least some packages. In my case, it's only
> 3.3 MiB.
Noted, but it is not the size that is the concern, b
a during autopkgtests?)
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> > Any idea what to do (except overriding one of the lintian
> > warnings)?
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=918621
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sentences on different topics. ("X conference? Thought about Y
conference instead?")
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NEW.
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(As an aside, some tags cannnot be overridden but that's not quite
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timestamps.
It would, of course, also take a while to "get around" our somewhat
expansive archive...
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this and this is now live.
https://bugs.debian.org/901473#33
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> Daniel Pimentel writes ("Iptables on Sid"):
>
> > I'd like to report a posible bug:
[..]
> Please see this page about how to report a bug:
Actually, I believe this to be already filed as:
https://bugs.debian.org/914074
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Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> […] for some reason always involving some German DD, even worse if
> there are multiple ones […]
https://i.imgur.com/PoWwX7m.png
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> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 1:32 PM Chris Knadle wrote:
>
>> A logical place to check or the lack of BIOS virtualization features and
>> show an
>> error message for this would be within the .postinst script for the
>> virtualbox
>> package in
e in Debian
contains neither AFAICT.]
Filing a bug on src:virtualbox with severity 'wishlist' or 'normal' for this
issue to discuss it with the maintainer of the virtualbox package(s) seems a
logical thing to do.
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e-ground, which is to add an additional repository to
the sources.list file and add an apt Pin-Priority in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ for
that repository (of say priority 150) such that any installed packages from the
additional repository get updated, but any not-already-installed packages from
the addition
to join, or have any quick questions, please
email ftpmas...@debian.org.
[0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/08/msg00408.html
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/03/msg3.html
[2] https://time.is/compare/2000_12_Oct_2018_in_UTC
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issue, and now "feels similar" to the error you're receiving.
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that was broken, and
before this process there wasn't a known path of how to deal with that. Matter
of fact that's how I started getting into Debian development in the first place.
It is unfortunately not uncommon to find a package [un|under]maintained such
that the pacakg
ong time. I've reviewed the resulting document sections
and it looks great to me.
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