Bug#479953: uniform header for automated package maintenance emails

2008-05-07 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2008-05-07 at 11:52 +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote: * ^X-Debian-PR-Message: * ^X-Katie: * ^X-PTS- * ^From:.*(installer|katie|dak)@((ftp-master|spohr)\.debian\.org|backports\.org) * ^From: DDPOMail robot [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ^X-BTS-Link: I think it would be very nice to press these

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2008-02-26 at 10:15 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Paul Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.02.26.1007 +0100]: A fluff animal, on the other hand, is for kids. Debian is not. Debian is for everyone, kids included! Yes. What I meant to say was: a stuffed animal might belittle

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2008-02-26 at 10:20 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.02.26.1018 +0100]: I don't think a stuff Tux belittles Linux. I don't think a stuffed animal would belittle Debian. Fine. I have other arguments: it would make it yet another FOSS

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2008-02-25 at 15:58 +0100, nic wrote: hi together, I'm not quite sure how to properly use this debian-list (I should have read before, I know...). I spontaneously thought of an ant: It works hard, it's tough, well, and with a fat grin on its face. just a first idea: the 'debiant'.

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-24 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On su, 2008-02-24 at 19:48 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.02.24.1316 +0100]: I also would like to spend some Debian money on a contest, similar to the FreeBSD logo contest [2], to create a friendly mascot for the Debian project (in a similar

Re: the new style mass tirage of bugs

2008-02-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On la, 2008-02-23 at 09:08 -0500, David Nusinow wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 06:53:15PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: What might work quite well, however, is to have bug janitors (a la kernel janitors) who look at new bugs that have received no attention for, say, two weeks. If a bug gets

Re: the new style mass tirage of bugs

2008-02-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2008-02-21 at 22:34 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote: But the same it true the other way around. Imho it's also not ok to insult DDs publically in the way jidanni did. We are all volunteers after all and ranting on a public mailing list doesn't help to improve the motivation (and doesn't

Re: the new style mass tirage of bugs

2008-02-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2008-02-22 at 07:48 +0100, Michael Tautschnig wrote: Do you think that there is a chance we find a group of people who really like mentoring/training others? If so, we could maybe set up kind of a bug-frontdesk taking over _all_ new bug reports for a moment and checking them for a the

Re: Bug#466728: ITP: python-trio -- RDF utilities

2008-02-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2008-02-21 at 08:44 +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: Sorry, this is precisely rationale I fight against. Just saying if you don't know what this is, you don't need this defeats the purpose of packages descriptions. I completely agree. There are lots of scenarios in which one might not

Re: Bug#466669: ITP: squirrelmail-gpg -- GnuPG plugin for SquirrelMail

2008-02-20 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2008-02-20 at 01:56 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: * Decrypt on reading encrypted message * Encrypt, Decrypt, and Sign Attachments * Sign messages and verify signatures I really, really hope it's implementing in some incredibly novel

Re: Lintian over sensitivity?

2008-02-20 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2008-02-20 at 18:44 +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Fakeroot-ng is copyrighted (C) 2007-2008 by Shachar Shemesh .. Changing the line to read: Copyright (C) 2007-2008 by Shachar Shemesh pacifies lintian, but I still think this is over sensitivity on its behalf. I am not a lawyer, but it

Re: Lintian over sensitivity?

2008-02-20 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2008-02-20 at 10:53 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OTOH, it complains about this too (from installation-guide): The Installation Guide is copyright 1996 Bruce Perens; 1996, 1997 Sven Rudolph; 1998 Igor Grobman, James Treacy; 1998-2002 Adam Di

Re: dash bug which is affecting release goal

2008-02-11 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2008-02-11 at 09:41 -0800, Mike Bird wrote: On Mon February 11 2008 09:08:24 Russ Allbery wrote: So switch your /bin/sh back to bash when the Release Notes tell you about the change and move on with your life. That's why it's configurable. Why force millions of Debian users to do

Re: Binaries with the same name

2008-02-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On la, 2008-02-09 at 19:48 +0100, David Paleino wrote: The problem is that translate by anibal does only de-en translations, while my translate offers a wider range of options and conversions (and it's expandable, through a XML configuration file). Thus I don't believe that using the

Re: Binaries with the same name

2008-02-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On su, 2008-02-10 at 11:52 +0100, David Paleino wrote: I believe I can claim the use of the generic name translate. I think I wasn't clear enough in my previous mail: I don't think anyone should use the generic name translate, and the fact that it is already being used is unfortunately. I

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2008-02-05 at 12:07 +, Matthew Johnson wrote: Also: * The package format should be standardised such that the same workflow works for everyone. If that's a reference to my first post to this discussion, it's not accurate. I don't care about standardizing package formats, but

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2008-02-01 at 01:45 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Hi Lars, I do not get your point. If you are concerned that the persons who sent you a package to sponsor have put malicious code in it, what I guess you will first review is wether the scripts you have to execute to test the packages

Accepted piuparts 0.29 (source all)

2008-02-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:38:38 +0200 Source: piuparts Binary: piuparts Architecture: source all Version: 0.29 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: piuparts developers team [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-01-31 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2008-01-31 at 09:19 +0100, sean finney wrote: is there any reason why this issue couldn't be solved by amending policy (or just simply patching dpkg-source) to require that debian/rules patch (or some less commonly used name if we're worried about existing implementations of this

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-01-31 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2008-01-31 at 20:03 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: I am wondering if just mandating 'debian/rules patch' to work if debian/patches exist shouldn't be just sufficient. The only big problem I have with that is that is required some unknown subset of build-dependencies to be installed, and to

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-01-31 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2008-01-31 at 23:17 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: I do not know if it would be reasonnable to extend the scope of the discussion to third-party packages. Third-party packages such as... sponsored uploads? The process you propose for verifying that a source package can be safely unpacked

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-01-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2008-01-28 at 16:05 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: We can't get too rules-bound here. As someone who's occasionally done some bug fixing to random packages, I'd really like to see some solution that allows us to mandate that the following sequence must work for all source packages:

Accepted members 20080128-1 (source i386)

2008-01-28 Thread Lars Bahner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:04:40 +0100 Source: members Binary: members Architecture: source i386 Version: 20080128-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Lars Bahner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Lars Bahner [EMAIL PROTECTED

Accepted members 20080128-2 (source i386)

2008-01-28 Thread Lars Bahner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:15:33 +0100 Source: members Binary: members Architecture: source i386 Version: 20080128-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Lars Bahner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Lars Bahner [EMAIL PROTECTED

Accepted members 20080128-3 (source i386)

2008-01-28 Thread Lars Bahner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:34:47 +0100 Source: members Binary: members Architecture: source i386 Version: 20080128-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Lars Bahner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Lars Bahner [EMAIL PROTECTED

Accepted members 20080128-4 (source i386)

2008-01-28 Thread Lars Bahner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:55:04 +0100 Source: members Binary: members Architecture: source i386 Version: 20080128-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Lars Bahner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Lars Bahner [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: The meaning of Vcs-* fields

2008-01-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On la, 2008-01-26 at 20:37 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 08:58:27PM +0200, Riku Voipio wrote: I just tried this on madwifi, and it only pulled me contents of debian/ directory. Now I can't use that to anything, since there is no matching upstream sources

Accepted unperish 2.3-2 (source all)

2008-01-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:15:12 +0200 Source: unperish Binary: unperish Architecture: source all Version: 2.3-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Opinions needed: reporting lintian overrides

2008-01-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On la, 2008-01-05 at 13:43 +, Steve McIntyre wrote: As you might expect (as I was the requester for this feature) I'd *really* prefer the former option. My initial reasoning for it is that I want to make it immediately visible to sponsors if a package has suppressed lintian warnings. If

Re: Which spell checkers to include by default?

2007-12-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On la, 2007-12-22 at 20:06 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Brian M. Carlson] Note that the w* packages provide word lists, which are important to many programs. One could argue that a standard Unix system should have a word list; at least, every Unix system I have used provides one.

Accepted varnish 1.1.2 (source i386)

2007-12-21 Thread Lars Bahner
-By: Lars Bahner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: libvarnish0 - Shared libraries for Varnish libvarnish0-dev - Shared library for Varnish varnish- A state-of-the-art, high-performance HTTP accelerator Changes: varnish (1.1.2) unstable; urgency=low . * New upstream release * Renamed

Accepted python-coverage-test-runner 1.0-1 (source all)

2007-12-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:05:47 +0200 Source: python-coverage-test-runner Binary: python-coverage-test-runner Architecture: source all Version: 1.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed

Re: Bug#456456: ITP: unperish -- release and build free software projects

2007-12-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On su, 2007-12-16 at 14:08 +0100, Guus Sliepen wrote: How does unperish make life easier than make dist and debuild? This is unclear if you only look at the description. You're right, I shall elaborate: Unperish takes care of all the repetitive, mechanical steps of releasing and building a

Bug#456456: ITP: unperish -- release and build free software projects

2007-12-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: unperish Version : 2.2 Upstream Author : Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://liw.iki.fi/liw/unperish/ * License : GPL-2+ Programming Lang: Python

Re: gcc-snapshot for testing

2007-12-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On la, 2007-12-15 at 00:34 +0300, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote: Thank You for the link, however I consider my proposal actual nevertheless. Because using of testing area will provide some guarantees for the gcc-snapshot package to be workable. Having packages in testing that are not meant for the

Re: Bug#455730: ITP: lua-peg -- Parsing Expression Grammars For Lua

2007-12-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-12-13 at 16:49 +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: * Enrico Tassi [Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:47:32 +0100]: Oops, I've just discovered that inpatient means something completely different then the Italian impaziente... There is impatient, though, with m. :-) The impatient inpatient in

Re: Please don't list available translations in the package description

2007-12-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Bah, sorry about the previous mail, sent it before it was finished. On pe, 2007-12-07 at 15:28 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Friday 7 December 2007 11:52, Enrico Zini wrote: If we want to implement a feature such that we can see what packages are localised for a given language, that

Re: Please don't list available translations in the package description

2007-12-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2007-12-07 at 15:28 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Friday 7 December 2007 11:52, Enrico Zini wrote: If we want to implement a feature such that we can see what packages are localised for a given language, that should be done differently, most likely by building a database scanning

Re: Proposalto introduce compiler options passed from dpkg-buildpackage

2007-12-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2007-12-05 at 21:11 +0100, Matthias Klose wrote: IIRC we cannot assume that debian/rules is a makefile and pass them as macros directly, so we have to pass them as environment variables. Debian Policy, 4.9, Main building script: debian/rules: This file must be an executable

Re: Bug#447712: Package could be non-free in the United Kingdom

2007-10-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-10-23 kello 12:35 +0100, Matthew Vernon kirjoitti: The Authorized Version of the Bible isn't covered by Copyright in the conventional sense. The Queen's Printer (currently Cambridge University Press) has an exclusive commercial right to print the AV (and the BCP, but that's not

Re: Bug#447712: Package could be non-free in the United Kingdom

2007-10-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-10-23 kello 09:44 -0500, Steve Greenland kirjoitti: But the license on the package itself doesn't make that restriction. If I have understood things correctly, in England (and the rest of the UK?) the copyright is owned by the crown and therefore it is the crown that sets the license.

Re: Bits from the Security Team

2007-10-20 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2007-10-19 kello 18:29 +0200, Adrian von Bidder kirjoitti: Seriously: I think exactly this kind of not really much new stuff going on, but here's what we're continuing to do kind of information should be more visible, because it, too, is valuable information to somebody who is not

Re: Bug#446050: Liferea dies with sqlite 3.5

2007-10-11 Thread Lars Lindner
1.4.5b. Patch against 1.4.5 is attached. Best Regards, Lars Index: src/db.c === --- src/db.c (Revision 3481) +++ src/db.c (Arbeitskopie) @@ -1304,7 +1304,7 @@ if (SQLITE_OK != res) debug2 (DEBUG_DB, Create view failed (%s) SQL: %s

Re: Bits from the listmasters

2007-10-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-10-09 kello 18:33 +0200, Kurt Roeckx kirjoitti: On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 01:44:47PM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: How to help listmasters against spam * If you notice a spam in the list archives, press the 'Report As Spam'-Button.

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
address as follows, it's still correct: My full name is Lars Ivar Wirzenius, and you can send me e-mail by taking my initials and putting them in front of the at sign and iki.fi after it. Mind you, I don't like obfuscation, and I think it's a nuisance myself, but we shouldn't violate people's wish

Re: How to detect if inside a buildd chroot

2007-09-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2007-09-26 kello 13:49 -0700, Tyler MacDonald kirjoitti: Yep... but I still find it a bit annoying that I have to override binaries like start-stop-daemon or invoke-rc.d when building a chroot. I wish there was a way to just set a flag that means dpkg, don't start/stop any services!...

Re: How to detect if inside a buildd chroot

2007-09-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-09-25 kello 11:55 +0200, Simon Richter kirjoitti: Hi, Sebastian Dröge schrieb: does somebody know about a solution to check whether one runs in a buildd chroot or not? I need this to prevent hal from starting in buildd chroots (via invoke-rc.d from postinst) as it breaks there

Re: How to detect if inside a buildd chroot

2007-09-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-09-25 kello 08:18 -0500, John Goerzen kirjoitti: I don't really think that chroot is the appropriate tool for this. Why not something more strongly isolated, such as vserver, OpenVZ, or even Xen or UML for this? If the chroot has a policy-rc.d that says not to start daemons, any

Re: [RFC] Promoting the use of Homepage: field in debian/control

2007-09-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2007-09-21 kello 16:44 +0200, Adeodato Simó kirjoitti: * Christian Perrier [Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:02:56 +0200]: Again, please comment, Personally, I think the change that should really go first is lintian/linda (emitting a warning for packages that put the homepage in the description),

Re: [RFC] Promoting the use of Homepage: field in debian/control

2007-09-20 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2007-09-20 kello 07:05 +0200, Christian Perrier kirjoitti: Of course, a mass bug-filing could also later happen but that would probably be a *huge* bug filing which should be avoided now. Entering a transition period where all communication media towards develpers are used to suggest

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-04 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2007-09-03 kello 23:40 -0400, John Kelly kirjoitti: On Sep 3, Lars Wirzenius wrote: That is arguably better than having passwords which can be guessed by doing brute-force attackes over ssh. I stop brute force attacks by sending auth log messages to a FIFO which I read with a perl

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2007-09-03 kello 09:30 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen kirjoitti: I've been told that the schools using Debian Edu in lower grades pick very simple and short passwords for the kids, and this will become harder if the minimum lenght is increased. Thought it was best to bring that up publicly.

Re: man-db's cron warns about dangling symlink

2007-09-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2007-09-03 kello 16:04 +0200, Michael Banck kirjoitti: On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 12:57:38AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: The bug is that although the mpich-bin package uses update-alternatives --install on postinst for all these files, it uses update-alternatives --remove only on

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2007-09-03 kello 08:33 -0600, Wesley J. Landaker kirjoitti: Especially when the most common response I've seen to a system saying that a password is not long enough is to start adding easily guessable extension strings to the password the user already picked, NOT to sit back down and

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2007-09-04 kello 10:17 +0900, Miles Bader kirjoitti: If the system is excessively anal about what passwords it will let you use, people will just start writing them down... That is arguably better than having passwords which can be guessed by doing brute-force attackes over ssh. --

Re: RFC: changes to default password strength checks in pam_unix

2007-09-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2007-09-02 kello 12:47 -0700, Steve Langasek kirjoitti: Does anyone else have a reasoned argument why Debian should have a weaker password length check than upstream (4 chars instead of 6)? If not, this will be changed in the next upload of pam. What's the justification of not using a

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

2007-08-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2007-08-29 kello 18:00 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson kirjoitti: On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 10:58:17AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: I don't think so. Hasn't tar defaulted to something approximately /dev/rmt0 for *YEARS*, not just on Linux but on just about every platform, if -f is not given?

Re: Why no Opera?

2007-08-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2007-08-27 kello 13:57 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: Why is the Opera browser not included in Debian? Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. Albert Einstein It is not free software. I had a quick peek at the license in the .deb available from Opera's

Accepted python-coverage 2.6-1 (source all)

2007-08-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:53:59 +0300 Source: python-coverage Binary: python-coverage Architecture: source all Version: 2.6-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Lars Wirzenius

Re: Bug#438712: minimalist: The package description should use the pseudo-standard Homepage: trick

2007-08-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2007-08-19 kello 18:27 +0200, Christoph Berg kirjoitti: Please someone push forward the XB-Homepage: idea. Does someone have a handy summary of where things stand with moving homepage urls out from Description and into their own header? -- You need fewer comments, if you choose your names

Re: Bug#438712: minimalist: The package description should use the pseudo-standard Homepage: trick

2007-08-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2007-08-19 kello 10:50 -0700, Russ Allbery kirjoitti: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: su, 2007-08-19 kello 18:27 +0200, Christoph Berg kirjoitti: Please someone push forward the XB-Homepage: idea. Does someone have a handy summary of where things stand with moving

Re: Bug#438712: minimalist: The package description should use the pseudo-standard Homepage: trick

2007-08-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2007-08-20 kello 09:53 +1000, Paul Wise kirjoitti: I suggest that the homepage does not belong inside the package at all (because it can change separately to the package) and would be better off being maintained on packages.debian.org and merged into the Packages files similar to how

Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-08-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2007-08-18 kello 10:16 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli kirjoitti: One of the reason is that no one yet showed code implementing this in dpkg and we don't know a timeframe for this, while we know how to get it working right now with dh_md5sums. The other reasons is that once we have the support

Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-08-17 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2007-08-17 kello 10:07 +0200, Romain Francoise kirjoitti: It seems to me that the time spent to generate it on the buildds is probably insignificant compared to the total time needed to build the package... And since generating it can be done with a trivial shell command, it's not a

Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-08-17 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2007-08-17 kello 10:58 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli kirjoitti: I fail to see any of those. I think that most of the packages without the md5sums just happen to have been packaged before dh_md5sums was available, There's also a number of packages packaged without using debhelper. (Mine is,

Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-08-17 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2007-08-17 kello 17:05 -0500, Peter Samuelson kirjoitti: I'd opt for dpkg generating the checksums upon _extracting_ the .deb file. We already claim that the md5sums file isn't supposed to be any kind of security thing. Why bother to ship it? It is redundant information which can easily

Re: proposed release goal: DEBIAN/md5sums for all packages

2007-08-17 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2007-08-17 kello 10:12 -0700, Russ Allbery kirjoitti: Some packages (aspell and ispell packages in particular) ship files that they then modify in maintainer scripts and intentionally exclude them from the md5sums file for that reason. lintian has special code to deal with this case. A

Re: Debian Packaging Handbook project

2007-08-07 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2007-08-08 at 14:12 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Without that structure, and a strict policy of being *only* an index to existing documents, I don't see how this project would avoid creating yet-another-document to read, compounding the problem you initially described. I think it makes

Accepted clearsilver 0.10.4-1 (source i386)

2007-07-07 Thread Lars Kruse
PROTECTED] Changed-By: Lars Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: clearsilver-dev - headers and static library for clearsilver libclearsilver-perl - perl bindings for clearsilver python-clearsilver - python bindings for clearsilver Changes: clearsilver (0.10.4-1) unstable; urgency=low . * New

Re: transition of packages into testing

2007-06-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-06-21 at 14:40 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: I am trying to figure out why texmacs has not entered into testing. I visited http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=texmacs but there I was not able to find any useful information. All it says is * trying to update

Re: transition of packages into testing

2007-06-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-06-21 at 17:01 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: 1) How can I request for a new build on ia64? or will it happen automatically? This is outside my area of expertese, but I would assume that the buildds don't automatically re-try a failed build. Instead, they'll wait for the

Enough already - Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-20 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Little useful or helpful has been said in this thread for a while now. Please don't continue the discussion, at least on debian-devel. (Sorry to be so blunt.) -- Rule #13 for successful communication: don't do Latin quotations -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Reasonable maximum package size ?

2007-06-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2007-06-05 at 10:37 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: We also have some funny 3D games with huge data packages. So were is the borderline for this. Does it make sense to install a data repository that is not mirrored? I suggest that it makes sense to a) package the data as .debs, for

Re: A sane guess at default Debian mirror for pbuilder

2007-05-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-05-28 at 00:25 +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: piuparts: Looks at first 'deb' line from /etc/apt/sources.list - Can't handle /etc/apt/sources.list.d - Assumes that the top entry is the best I didn't want to have piuparts use all sources.list

Re: A sane guess at default Debian mirror for pbuilder

2007-05-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On su, 2007-05-27 at 18:05 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: That would be very handy! The default could then be the closest/quickest primary mirror. It would be important (from my perspective) that this default is required to be a primary mirror - maybe offer the user only the list of primaries and

Re: A sane guess at default Debian mirror for pbuilder

2007-05-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On su, 2007-05-27 at 20:06 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: Unless your own mirror supports all Debian architectures, you will still need a primary for emdebian-tools. Do you test build your own Debian packages against your own mirror? Is that wise? I don't use emdebian in any way, so any

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-05-21 at 20:08 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: The description for -curiosa does not suggest it to be appropiate for the kind of off-topic discussions going on on -user. Your conclusion is correct, and I'd like to suggest a corollary: there's no Debian mailing list where advocating

Re: UTF-8 encoding of changelog files

2007-05-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2007-05-16 at 23:17 +0100, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: That's trivial to check. Just feed it to recode and specify UTF-8 Hexadecimal input: You might also be interested in isutf8 from moreutils. -- Never underestimate the power of a small tactical Lisp interpreter. -- To

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2007-05-16 at 16:26 -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote: We should expect that given the same source, headers, and libraries, we would get the same bytes out of a build every time. Any deviation from this would indicate something different, or erratic. If it doesn't cause problems, fine, but

Re: BTS subscription fixed

2007-05-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-05-14 at 10:51 +0200, ar wrote: Still get no subscribing confirmation mail. Please see my bugreport on that problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420261 The bug is still open for me. That bug is from April. Did you try again after Frans announced it as

Re: LSB init scripts

2007-05-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-05-03 at 13:39 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: My ideal output format would just list subsystem OK While we're daydreaming, I'd like an empty screen with a timer counting down how long (in seconds) I have until I can actually use the machine. Unless there's a problem, of course, in which

Re: Intent to remove /usr/bin/X11 from PATH in /etc/login.defs

2007-04-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On su, 2007-04-15 at 19:33 +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: Are there any objections to us changing this setting in the default /etc/login.defs file? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ls -ld /usr/bin/X11 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 2007-04-12 21:08 /usr/bin/X11 - . Anything found via /usr/bin/X11 will be found

Re: Use bz2 not gz for orig.tar ?

2007-04-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-04-12 at 10:12 +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 12:12:00PM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote: This would reduce our archive size by some 20% if all packages moved to bzip2. Why not lzma? It reduces size even more and doesn't suffer from the all our code belongs to

Re: The number of etch installations is rocketing...

2007-04-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-04-12 at 12:16 +0200, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: * 2007-04-12 12:09, Raphael Hertzog wrote: As long as we don't use that to collect sensitive information, it would be ok IMO. (Of course, a preseed question could avoid it completely too) I think Google Earth for Linux does the

Re: Modifying /etc/apt/sources.list in postinst ; determining the suite in postinst

2007-04-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2007-04-03 at 16:28 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: To install a cross-building toolchain, apt/aptitude needs to be told about the Emdebian [2] toolchain repository [3]. Currently, that is done by the emsetup program in emdebian-tools but I'm wondering if it is better done in postinst. The

Lame joke, explained

2007-04-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
This ITP was (obviously) an attempt at an April's Fool joke. Some time ago I played a bit with Markov Chains, which are a method for taking an input text, and generating output that uses words from the input, but is gibberish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_Chain). I got the idea that it

Re: Bug#417261: dch: please use dates in UTC

2007-04-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-04-02 at 19:26 +0100, Mark Brown wrote: Given how easy it is to canonicalise the timestamp data, the fact that it's data loss and the questionable utility of the information why is it worth it? Maintaining status quo is easy. Making programs that compare timestamps understand time

Bug#416992: ITP: gtkcanvas-muxitex-slur-k -- Postscript Slur Package K for MusiXTeX

2007-03-31 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Package: wnpp Owner: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Severity: wishlist * Package name: gtkcanvas-muxitex-slur-k Version : 4.1 Upstream Author : Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : N/A * License : CDDL Programming Lang: C#, with Markov Chain support

Re: Second call for votes for the debian project leader election 2007

2007-03-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2007-03-28 at 14:57 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: just want to give my vote and concentrate on the rankings I want to give and not learn about tools to submit my vote. From memory (my shell history isn't long enough), here's what I did: 1. Copy ballot to text file (vote.txt). 2. Edit it

Re: Results for General Resolution: Altering package upload rules

2007-03-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2007-03-23 at 10:32 +0100, BALLABIO GERARDO wrote: Debian Project Secretary wrote: At the end of voting, with 313 Ballots resulting in 260 votes from 257 developers, General Resolution: Altering package upload rules has carried the day. Please forgive me if this is a stupid

Re: Results for General Resolution: Altering package upload rules

2007-03-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2007-03-23 at 21:05 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On pe, 2007-03-23 at 10:32 +0100, BALLABIO GERARDO wrote: Debian Project Secretary wrote: At the end of voting, with 313 Ballots resulting in 260 votes from 257 developers, General

Re: Alioth lists are too strict in checking senders

2007-03-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-03-22 at 10:43 -0600, Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz wrote: Is 'forced to relay through a gateway' an instance of 'thoroughly misconfigured'? Or is it just a corner case not worth bothering for? (I'm not _quite_ trolling. I'd like to know if I ought to spend the effort to change my

Accepted enemies-of-carlotta 1.2.6-1 (source all)

2007-03-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:11:54 +0200 Source: enemies-of-carlotta Binary: enemies-of-carlotta Architecture: source all Version: 1.2.6-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Lars

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-03-15 at 15:06 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is capable of submitting a useful bug report? A GUI version of reportbug would be nice, though.

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2007-03-16 at 13:03 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:23:09PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: A GUI version of reportbug would be nice, though. Having to open a terminal and deal with clumsy line based user interfaces is not a hindrance, but it is an obstacle, to me

Re: How to close ITP bug which is a duplicate of one marked done?

2007-03-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-03-12 at 09:45 +0100, Krzysztof Burghardt wrote: Hello Developers, How can I close bug #387858 which is a duplicate of already closed #406404? bluetooth-alsa package contains software for both SCO and A2DP profiles, and thus new package btsco is no longer need. If it's the

Re: How to close ITP bug which is a duplicate of one marked done?

2007-03-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-03-12 at 20:29 +1100, Andrew Donnellan wrote: Does 'allowed' just mean 'it's impolite to close other peoples' bugs' or 'the BTS will stop you'? It means it's impolite The BTS software doesn't care. -- Fundamental truth #5: Always ask the simple troubleshooting questions first.

Accepted varnish 1.0.3-1 (source i386)

2007-02-27 Thread Lars Bahner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:03:57 +0100 Source: varnish Binary: varnish Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.0.3-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Stig Sandbeck Mathiesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Lars Bahner [EMAIL

Accepted varnish 1.0.3-2 (source i386)

2007-02-27 Thread Lars Bahner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:41:10 +0100 Source: varnish Binary: varnish Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.0.3-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Stig Sandbeck Mathiesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Lars Bahner [EMAIL

Re: Bug#412566: ITP: aes2501-wy -- userspace software for usb aes2501 fingerprint scanner

2007-02-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2007-02-26 at 23:09 +0100, Evgeni Golov wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:28:28 +0100 Miguel Gea Milvaques wrote: Command line scanning sofware for AES2501B usb fingerprint reader. The ouput are gray pnm files with quite good quality. Please mention Authentec (the vendor) and the

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