Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Michael Meskes
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 10:59:33PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: (f) you agree to defend and indemnify Sun and its licensors from and against any damages, costs, liabilities, settlement amounts and/or expenses (including attorneys' fees) incurred in connection

Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 5/19/06, Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (...) (b) the Software is distributed with your Operating System, and such distribution is solely for the purposes of running Programs under the control of your Operating System and designing, developing and

Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Drew Parsons
Michael wrote: Speaking realistically, such a move of Sun would be spectacularly bad PR for them esp. considering their statements about future Java licensing efforts they have committed to. That's true. But why did they release this license and used no other wording? You

Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-20 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 5/19/06, Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The software as distributed is complete, it has all the files in the .deb packages, and the dependencies ensure that on the user's system the software layout is like Sun requires, with the optional bits indeed being optional.

Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-20 Thread Josh Triplett
Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 11:09:30PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: (b) the Software is distributed with your Operating System, and such distribution is solely for the purposes of running Programs under the control of your Operating System and designing,

Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 02:18:57PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: Note that the license says ... is distributed *with* your Operating System, and not is part of. I don't know where you read the part of bit? Anyway, we definitely do distribute non-free *with* our OS, it's in

Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-20 Thread Josh Triplett
Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 02:18:57PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: Note that the license says ... is distributed *with* your Operating System, and not is part of. I don't know where you read the part of bit? Anyway, we definitely do distribute non-free *with* our OS, it's in

[draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-19 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
Let me reply to at least some of the points raised here right now. By the way, one of the Sun engineers was involved in packaging, and actually wrote (with help from others) part of the license agreement code etc. using debconf. I don't think that has any legal value (but I'm not a legal expert),

Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-19 Thread Don Armstrong
Let me first preface this with a caveat and an apology: after the fact it was pointed out that the mail I sent was needlesly inflamatory; that was not my intention and for that I apologize. I also appreciate the desire of Sun to work with Debian in order to create a license that distributions can