Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-11 Thread Noel Torres
On Monday, 10 de November de 2014 08:57:50 Nathael Pajani escribió: [...] You certainly heard about debianfork (http://debianfork.org/) and from a user point of view this is a tragedy. A derivative and a fork are different things. A Derivative happens when a different project is started using

A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Nathael Pajani
Hi all ! (Sorry for my English, I'm no native speaker, hope I'll not make too many mistakes and my message will be understandable) I did not know who to write to about this and how to contact as many of you as possible, so here it is. I hope it will not interfere too much with what this list

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Dear Nathael, This is off-topic for -devel. Please consider debian-user or the offtopic list. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:57:50AM +0100, Nathael Pajani wrote: You certainly heard about debianfork (http://debianfork.org/) and from a user point of view this is a tragedy. snip When a (big ?) pool

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:57:50AM +0100, Nathael Pajani wrote: You certainly heard about debianfork (http://debianfork.org/) and from a user point of view this is a tragedy. Don't worry, this is a joke. When a (big ?) pool of users is not happy to the point of suggesting to fork There is

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Nathael Pajani said: You certainly heard about debianfork (http://debianfork.org/) and from a user point of view this is a tragedy. Debian welcomes forks - we have had dozens in the past, and I hope we'll have many more in the future. Each one adds something to the

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/10/2014 at 04:37 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Dear Nathael, This is off-topic for -devel. Please consider debian-user or the offtopic list. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:57:50AM +0100, Nathael Pajani wrote: Other distributions may have chosen the easy single init way, but Debian is

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: But GNU/Linux is NOT uniformity. It is choice. It is alternatives. It is options. http://islinuxaboutchoice.com/ Oh, the famous web site, crafted by the gnome dev Bassi, https://wiki.gnome.org/EmmanueleBassi, with which, BTW that IBM ad (

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, The Wanderer: Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, no one seems to be remotely interested in trying to address or discuss that disagreement directly... The problem is that, apparently, any 'support' short of remove systemd from Debian NOW will not shut up the most vocal detractors. The

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Matthias Urlichs (2014-11-10 14:34:33) The Wanderer: Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, no one seems to be remotely interested in trying to address or discuss that disagreement directly... The problem is that, apparently, any 'support' short of remove systemd from Debian NOW

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 02:34:33PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: The Wanderer: Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, no one seems to be remotely interested in trying to address or discuss that disagreement directly... The problem is that, apparently, any 'support' short of remove systemd

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Jonas Smedegaard: Quoting Matthias Urlichs (2014-11-10 14:34:33) The problem is that, apparently, any 'support' short of remove systemd from Debian NOW will not shut up the most vocal detractors. And shut up the most vocal detractors is only way to address or discuss this? s/shut

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/10/2014 at 08:34 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, The Wanderer: Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, no one seems to be remotely interested in trying to address or discuss that disagreement directly... The problem is that, apparently, any 'support' short of remove systemd from

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:57:50AM +0100, Nathael Pajani wrote: You certainly heard about debianfork (http://debianfork.org/) and from a user point of view this is a tragedy. Not really. Forking is good, and should be encouraged. In fact, Debian is one of the most forked projects, ever,