Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-29 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) | But I use the website. Here's a questions. Go to eh redhat site and | see if you can figure out where to get a complete RedHat CD downloaded | from the net? http://www.redhat.com -> download -> click the download link besides «Red Hat Linux 8.0», and if it weren't fo

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-29 Thread David B Harris
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:58:51 -0500 Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The comparison is only fair with organizations that *want* you do do > so(so not redhat, probably not openbsd, or mandrake, or others whose > principal developers try to sell cds). Strictly speaking, given the ISO mirroring

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Nick Phillips
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 03:58:51PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > and behind netbsd in the sory state of our cdrom mirror network. I'm with Joey on this; last time I tried to find Debian .iso images, it was a nightmare. In fact I couldn't find an official woody iso anywhere. As he also said, many of

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Nick Phillips
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 04:58:30PM -0500, David B Harris wrote: > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:58:51 -0500 > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The comparison is only fair with organizations that *want* you do do > > so(so not redhat, probably not openbsd, or mandrake, or others whose > > principal

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 11:23:23PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: > Joy (or any of the rest of the www team) - where do you get the data > to put into the mirror pages on www.d.o? Well, we get it from the Internet :) Please rephrase the question, I don't understand. > I'd suggest that a simple metho

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Joey Hess
Nick Phillips wrote: > I'd suggest that a simple method for mirror admins to let us know what they > plan to mirror, and for us to test its availability on a regular basis, > would be a good idea. > > (In fact I might even "just do it"). I'm in the process of doing that, see the debian-cd list.

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread David B Harris
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:27:33 +1300 Nick Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Given the ISO mirroring situation"? Care to elucidate? There being an order of magnitude more package mirrors than ISO mirrors. Completely ignoring the web site organisation, mind you, it's been common for a long time f

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Joey Hess
David B Harris wrote: > There being an order of magnitude more package mirrors than ISO mirrors. > Completely ignoring the web site organisation, mind you, it's been > common for a long time for people to encourage network-based installs, > or anything other than downloading full 640M ISOs. > > Pa

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread David B Harris
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:06:40 -0500 Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem with the net installs isos is mainly that they are > unofficial and there are several varying cd's produced by different > folks, and of varying quality (though quality is overall good; I've > used them happily in

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Nick Phillips
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 11:56:59AM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 11:23:23PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: > > Joy (or any of the rest of the www team) - where do you get the data > > to put into the mirror pages on www.d.o? > > Well, we get it from the Internet :) Please rephra

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 11:20:10AM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: > > > Joy (or any of the rest of the www team) - where do you get the data > > > to put into the mirror pages on www.d.o? > > > > Well, we get it from the Internet :) Please rephrase the question, I don't > > understand. > > Well, do

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Joey Hess | Of course debian-installer should support 1.4 mb net install floppies | too. s/should support/supports/ -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' :

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 04:06:40PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: The problem with the net installs isos is mainly that they are unofficial and there are several varying cd's produced by different folks, and of varying quality (though quality is overall good; I've used Yeah. The i386 all work afaik, but t

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 30, Nick Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'm with Joey on this; last time I tried to find Debian .iso images, it >was a nightmare. In fact I couldn't find an official woody iso anywhere. This is the way of mirror operators to tell you that you should really use jigdo or even better t

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-30 Thread Nick Phillips
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 09:23:43PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Nov 30, Nick Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I'm with Joey on this; last time I tried to find Debian .iso images, it > >was a nightmare. In fact I couldn't find an official woody iso anywhere. > This is the way of mirror

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-12-01 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 06:58:56PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: > > >I'm with Joey on this; last time I tried to find Debian .iso images, it > > >was a nightmare. In fact I couldn't find an official woody iso anywhere. > > This is the way of mirror operators to tell you that you should really > >

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-12-01 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 05:13:01PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Maybe the one in Austria, because it's the top of that list of mirrors. (I thought it would be clear that Austria is at the top because the list is sorted alphabetically... I am aware of the problem with people who click the first link t

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-12-01 Thread Peter Karlsson
Josip Rodin: > (I thought it would be clear that Austria is at the top because the list is > sorted alphabetically... ...in English. The list is still sorted with Austria first in all the other pages, even when it makes little or no sense at all. (my favourite example is of course the Swedish tr

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-12-01 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 09:41:23PM +0100, Peter Karlsson wrote: > > (I thought it would be clear that Austria is at the top because the list is > > sorted alphabetically... > > ...in English. The list is still sorted with Austria first in all the > other pages, even when it makes little or no sens

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-12-03 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-29 10:27]: > But I use the website. Here's a questions. Go to eh redhat site and > see if you can figure out where to get a complete RedHat CD downloaded > from the net? Uhm, should that have been a statement pro or contra to our page? I foun

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-12-03 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 11:47:52AM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > > But I use the website. Here's a questions. Go to eh redhat site and > > see if you can figure out where to get a complete RedHat CD downloaded > > from the net? > > Uhm, should that have been a statement pro or contra to our pa

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-12-03 Thread Craig Small
Gee, it's a pretty bad topic, but anyway... On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 03:58:51PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > There's a straight 2 click path to a directory with an ISO image on it > on the gentoo site. For freebsd, it's 3 obvious clicks to a ftp site > directory, then click on arch and version. For ne

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-12-05 Thread Junichi Uekawa
> > "Instead of the developers learning to treat certain versions as separate > > packages, the developers taught Portage how to handle and maintain several > > versions of the same package though the use of SLOTs." > > > > It goes on to explain further with an example, basically they have an > >

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-12-05 Thread Junichi Uekawa
> Very nice. Does anyone know how to get apt to give locally > compiled packages higher priority than official packages? I've been > playing with the release pinnings, but haven't gotten it to work. > > Also, what apps do you think would make good benchmark cases for > showing how much

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